Running thread: how did they manage to alter our history?

[Sonofabor]

It is strange for me,too. As much as I know it is cultural-specific, that culture and its burning bush demi-god have had enormous influence everywhere. The script is, so to say, operational.

 

[reverendALC]

The exact answers we seek evade us yet, however the first step in solving a problem is admitting/recognizing/understanding the problem’s presence.

We don’t necessarily need to know what IS true to identify that which is not.

Take some solace in that friends, for an open mind leaves oneself open to the truth should you one day find it. A closed mind already abundant with “truth” is no longer searching and no longer learning

 

[Jeff-E]

Thanks for the TLDR version. It makes sense.

I don’t necessarily believe in hauntings or curses per se. I do think there may be some force in the universe operating in a similar vein though, one which may present as a curse to us not familiar with its mechanics.

I also think that most people are NPCs… not in the strict sense though. I think that their programming prevents them from questioning authority or thinking critically. It’s really pretty sad.

I would say that these are the people that allow history to be stolen, but at the same time I haven’t done a damned thing myself to stop it

I'd agree with the NPC argument in that these people are at a certain level in their spiritual development, as is promoted by Gurdieff, Steiner and referenced here by Guenther. Organic Portals - Soulless Humans
It does give a reasoned argument in favour of your proposition of not being able to think critically IMHO

 

[Sonofabor]

Quotes from the above link:

“A considerable percentage of the people we meet on the street are people who are empty inside, that is, they are actually already dead. It is fortunate for us that we do not see and do not know it. If we knew what a number of people are actually dead and what a number of these dead people govern our lives, we should go mad with horror.”
– G.I. Gurdjieff

Rudolf Steiner in 1923:

“Dr. Rudolf Steiner: That little girl L.K. in the first grade must have something really very wrong inside. There is not much we can do. Such cases are increasing in which children are born with a human form, but are not really human beings in relation to their highest I; instead, they are filled with beings that do not belong to the human class. Quite a number of people have been born since the nineties without an I, that is, they are not reincarnated, but are human forms filled with a sort of natural demon. There are quite a large number of older people going around who are actually not human beings, but are only natural; they are human beings only in regard to their form. We cannot, however, create a school for demons.
A teacher: How is that possible?
Dr. Rudolf Steiner: Cosmic error is certainly not impossible. The relationships of individuals coming into earthly existence have long been determined. There are also generations in which individuals have no desire to come into earthly existence and be connected with physicality, or immediately leave at the very beginning. In such cases, other beings that are not quite suited step in. This is something that is now quite common, that human beings go around without an I; they are actually not human beings, but have only a human form. They are beings like nature spirits, which we do not recognize as such because they go around in a human form. They are also quite different from human beings in regard to everything spiritual.

The brilliant, soulful people-- no matter how programmed-- still shine.

 

[Verity]

I do believe that science has set boundaries for our minds. Artificial boundaries.

Yes, I was arguing this last night. The church set the boundaries for our scientific paradigms which are finite and corrupted until the time is right. Things only come clear when that boundary is breeched by 'The Singularity' or an intuitive jump perhaps by enough people. (Single eye/Kundalini.)

perhaps our world is the result of some being’s imagination or will.

Yes- the church's will. They have a mission to 'build the modern world' in time for the new age, which requires a new consciousness.

We concurred that the more we research these topics, the more profoundly "spiritual" we have become.

I love this, it's so true. "The Source, It's Coming" is absolutely right, but it is very real magnetospheric radioactivity from... Uranus! It sounds like a joke, but it's not.
I can't buy the first vid. either. The Christian21 guy seems to know the gist, but the devil is in the details. Ancient sources still hold they keys, but it's a great deal of hard work and who wants to that these days.

and the Gods might have been present.

The gods (planets) were definitely present on 9/11: Saturn, Mars and Pluto, all serious, war-mongering, deadly gods facing off that day in the heavens, and Ketu, Rahu too, which are important points in Vedic astrology. It's not just Greek gods, it's the same gods (planets, or electromagnetic influences) through history, given different names. Knowing the names is vital because it's the only way to understand the nature of the 'beast'. Tropical, or western astrology has been corrupted - the equinoctial precession was left in the past. Vedic has kept up.

Do people become gods?

They become 'as' gods.

you have enough knowledge to get out-- a permanent pass but to where?

Ancient Vedic knowledge says Moksha: release from the cycle of birth and death ( called 'Samsara'). The experience itself tells you when it happens. One must be ready to die so total faith is useful, and it will all be laid out. Quite a trip.

And from where will the new gods emerge? Like the gods of old, from mountain and sea, silicon. The consciousness of people, having been uploaded into the matrix, Silicon is now prepared to emerge and spread his seed.

Not necessarily. The new gods emerge in us. The myth of the Crystal Skulls is when enough people have reached the 'crystallised pineal' and can transmit their knowledge/consciousness to others. There is literal calcite crystal in the 'Crystal Cave' of the brain (as the Tao fellows call it). We are cruising on fumes from very high ancient knowledge, deliberately crashed in this iron age.
*shakes fist as pope Francis & co.*
Anyway, the recent firing at OpenAI (open eye) and devday (Devi are Vedic gods/goddesses) suggest once the language situation has been understood, it is all theatre - magic for those who don't yet grasp the power of language.
I noticed that some of the OpenAi members were Ilya and Helen - and there was even an 'Angelo', which tells me it's a message by the controllers. El, Il, are Hebrew gods, same idea as devi, and angels is pretty clear. El and en, Enlil and Enki, and Helen of Troy/Ilium have been investigated here on Stolen. It's really useful information, I've used it myself for a post elsewhere (not yet completed).
Language is vibration, just as radioactivity of the gods/planets/devi is.

In this condition are we in any condition to ascend?

This is why health is so vital. If the physical system isn't strong enough, forget it. If the mind is weak; insanity could be on the cards.
Some of my fav. posts here were on the insane asylums. The architecture was so magnificent. Those dates, 1776, and the mid-1800's are part of the 84year orbit of Uranus. Same with the Depression and WW2. Its effects are serious and can cause insanity... and those dates represent Uranus' closest orbital perigee. Written about here.
There have been regular movies put out by the usuals in the psychological thriller genre where reality dissolves and must be dealt with. The only ones I've seen are Fight Club, Shutter Island, Fall and the trailer for Don't Worry Darling. I suspect they're almost priming people. A bit like the zombie genre.

Where did all the educated people who invented just about everything we have today come from?

They were inspired by Ouranos (our Uranus) (aka Greek god of the sky, Heaven). God of electricity, rebellion, mental studies, astrology and unpredictable af. He was once called the god of gods. See link above.

Did we have greater intellectual capacity in the past?

Yes, we hadn't been dumbed down and filled up with fake science, poison food/medicine/water and junk dogma.

Maybe we, who see the edge of the matrix, really have a job to do. What is it?

Share what you know to those who can hear. Knowing there are seekers around helps enormously and inches us closer to the 'Crystal skulls'.

Did Star Trek set the boundaries or was it (the show and its ideas) a collective expression of all of us who were already ill at ease

Maybe they were priming us to think spatially. Forcing or helping the mind outside of the known bubble of regular life.

I guess the bush that I’m beating around is maybe this isn’t as nefarious as it seems

From a certain perspective, it's just nature, naturing.

When I read Genesis, or religious text in general, I can’t help but feel that the writings are of an alternate reality...
One that I am unable to relate to.

That's because it's esoteric. The irony is it's only comprehensible when consciousness is near completion. Pretty cruel really, but that's the Iron Age or Kali Yuga.

As much as I know it is cultural-specific, that culture and its burning bush demi-god have had enormous influence everywhere.

The burning bush is the vagus nerve connecting the heart with the brain. In 'Realisation' it feels like it's on fire. It's an electrical phenomenon and feels like being in love, and/or going crazy, soul depending.

 

[Sonofabor]

Yes, my best new friends out here in the North American hinterland see things a lot like you. A (re)tuning moment appears to be upon us. If it happens, I might miss 50's and 60s' jazz and other hopeful (soulful) aspects of this iron age. But I'm definitely open to something better.

Unlike Italy, the Evangelicals are the the New Roman church out here. They aspire to complete (what can I call it?) sub-matrix control of thought and action. I've been reaching into their consciousness a lot recently. A missionary to the missionaries-- oh the irony! In any case, this activity is more than a little grey-zone depressing. (One can perhaps see that in my comments).

Can you articulate the "crystal skulls" significance a little more?

 

[Verity]

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Sure can. First of all I read the book above years and years ago. Maybe over ten years back.
It was weird, the story of some guy who hunted about for people who had found physical crystal skulls in South America. They were supposed to be ancient super-computer style trinkets with a huge dose of woo.
I kept my mind open but it made zero sense. I know crystals are of value, and understood the piezo-electric effects especially of amber, which is where the word elektron (Greek) came from, to describe the electrical effects it produced when it was rubbed.

Anyway, when the Indiana Jones film came out, I did a double-take because each of their films deals with internal spiritual ideas made literal and external. So there was something along those lines involved... some kind of spiritual angle that maybe it wasn't so kooky after all, but heaven only knew what.

I forgot about that side of things and went pretty deeply in to esoteric religions, including the Tao or Dao, the Far Eastern doctrine. It was there I realised the Crystal Palace (as the Tao fellows call it), is the same as the Vedic 'Cave of Brahma.' This is again the same as Christ consciousness, the keys to the universe, and many other fairly hidden names all referring to the same things.

The crystal skull therefore, is the literal creation of calcite crystal in the pineal. I've written it all out elsewhere- the physiological, literal mechanism I mean. The pineal becomes a literal 'receiver' the same way the old 'crystal set' radios used to function (more of less). Difference being it's in ones own skull.