Tartary - an Empire hidden in history. It was bigger than Russia once...

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My family originated from Finland over 100 years ago. I never grew up with my dad's people but I was told we came from "Finland tribe" but everyone said I looked like I had some Asian in me.I got in touch with my only living aunt when I was 15 and she said we were "Saamis" . The Saamis are known for having Mongoloid looks. Maybe the Saami tribes (or Mongolian tribes) came from there?
I have decided not to check my genetic background, but I remember what my forefathers told me. A Finnish woman came from Tampere, Tammerfors, in Finland. She had a heritage from the East. It can be seen in me, too, though I often pass as somebody from Italy. One of my children pass as German in the Netherlands and as French in Scotland. In southern France, Americans identified me as an American before I opened my mouth.

A very interesting Same tribe lives in Finland. We call them skolter. Their IQ is very high. They have unique hats.

If you go from Helsinki to Karelia you pass Villmanstrand, the beach of the wild men. It must have been a Same center.

The Same people was always nonaggressive. They adopted other languages, but kept many old traditions. In Sweden they are often some of our best Christians. At the time when race was important, researchers talked about intelligent Same men. Forbidden knowledge in our time.

Some say Finns had long skulls like Vikings a thousand years ago. This is not the case anymore. Round skulls preserve heat much better and come from Asia. They can also be found in a part of Sweden, which had intensive contacts with Russia.

The Same people spread from the continent to Northern Europe and North Africa. The berbers have a Same heritage.
 

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I did a quick search and didnt see it mentioned but I came across EH Parkers A Thousand Years of the Tartars first published 1895. I am reading now for content to share, but wanted to put out this info to others who somehow have missed this in their sleuthing like I did.

http://library.umac.mo/ebooks/b25903445.pdf -- 1895v
A thousand years of the Tartars, by E. H. Parker. -- 1926 2nd ed

It seems to be worthwhile to read both versions given the 2nd ed preface mentions a Russian discovery of a Chinese/Syriac/Turkish Rosetta Stone and the connection that the Hiung-nu, Scythians, Huns, and Turks being different phases of the same tribe.

Extra tidbit to run with. My discovery came as I was looking for more information about how the Tartars were the ones to bring Sweet Gum to Europe as claimed on a holy anointing oil website.
 

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The subject of the disappearance of the great state "Great Tatariya" also interests me greatly.

I am Tatar by nationality and am not a historian. False historians have previously written and today are writing stories commissioned by their rulers and it is difficult to reveal the truth, especially to a layman. I read the works of famous historians Edward Parker, Rene Grosse, Tizengauzen, Lev Gumilyov, Boris Ishboldin, Shigabutdin Mardzhani, etc. and decided to state my version
There are a lot of published historical maps of the Great Tartaria up to the 18th century, in various countries (except Russia) thanks to the Internet.
Without pretending to objectivity, I will briefly state my opinion:
1. The Huns (Attila) and the medieval Tatars (Chingiz-Khan) are essentially the same people.
In the expanses of Europe, Siberia to the Pacific, there lived mainly Turkic peoples.
Genghis Khan is of Tatars origin, but not the ancestor of modern Mongols. This is evidenced by a lot of primary sources.
"Mongol" in modern Tatar language means "eternal." Therefore, the "Mongol-Tatars" means essentially "Eternal Tatars", this, as, for example, the term "Eternal Rome" during the time of the Roman Empire in Europe. After all, all the empires claim that they are eternal.
Now about the terms "Tataria" and "Tartaria", which is written through the letter "R".
Probably, on some sources, the name change occurred because the word pronounced “Tataria” was translated with the addition of the letter “R”, since he on English is poorly pronounced, or not at all. Let the English speakers correct me. I think that there is no connection between this term and “Hellfire”.
Modern Tatars living on the territory of Russia are the people formed as a result of the mixing of medieval Tatars (Eastern Turks), Bulgars (Western Turks in the Volga region) and Finno-Ugric peoples.
Some information about the of modern Tatars - Tatars in their faces , Olympic champion in figure skating Alina Zagitova - , Roald Sagdeev - Director of the Space Science Center of the University of Maryland (USA), Rashid Syunyaev - Director of the Institute of Astrophysics of the Max Planck Society (Germany).
Modern Mongols are the descendants of only one of the peoples that were part of the huge "Tataria".
Until the 20th century, modern Mongols did not know about the existence of the great ancestor of Genghis Khan (there are no written primary sources). This was reported to them by Russian historians in the 20th century. Apparently in order to further confuse history and justify the so-called "Tatar-Mongol yoke", which was not.
A few words about the empire of Genghis Khan. The Tatars did not conquer, but annexed territories. Genghis Khan had a clear goal - “Peace from the Sea (Pacific Ocean) to the Sea (Atlantic Ocean)”. Taxes - 5-7% of income and all. But complete freedom within the state, laws, law and order, and protection from external enemies. At the same time, there was an election of local leaders, except for large territories, where only the heirs of Genghis Khan, who were also chosen from among the heirs, could be khans. Therefore, the people perceived the new order as a liberation from the yoke of their kings and khans. This explains the amazing speed of creating such a huge Tatar Empire. What is the prototype of the modern European Union. Of course, the laws according to their time were cruel, the riots were suppressed and there were mountains of severed heads. And where were the laws of that time not cruel?
Starting from the 16th century (1552, the conquest of Kazan by the Russians with the help of Catholic Rome) began a gradual falsification of history. After all, first in the 5th century, Attila, then in the 13th century, Genghis Khan brought terror not only to all of Asia, but also to Europe.
In open confrontation the Tatars were invincible. Therefore, all efforts by Catholic Rome were aimed at the destruction of the Tatar empire not only by military methods but also by underground methods — murder, poisoning of leaders, civil strife, etc. At the same time, Catholic Rome used the Russian state as an instrument for fulfilling its purpose. Conditions favored this - there were crop failures, famine and diseases, civil strife led to a weakening of the Tatar Empire.
At the same time, history was being rewritten and a Tatar-Mongol yoke was invented to substantiate the gains of the Russian state to the east.
Thus, the official Russian historiography commissioned by the Russian tsars by the 18th century completely erased the Tatar state from all official documents. In modern school and university textbooks of Russia also Tatar state after 16th century not.
Information was probably preserved only in state archives, to which access is still very limited today.
Constructive criticism is accepte.
 

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The subject of the disappearance of the great state "Great Tatariya" also interests me greatly.

I am Tatar by nationality and am not a historian. False historians have previously written and today are writing stories commissioned by their rulers and it is difficult to reveal the truth, especially to a layman. I read the works of famous historians Edward Parker, Rene Grosse, Tizengauzen, Lev Gumilyov, Boris Ishboldin, Shigabutdin Mardzhani, etc. and decided to state my version
There are a lot of published historical maps of the Great Tartaria up to the 18th century, in various countries (except Russia) thanks to the Internet.
Without pretending to objectivity, I will briefly state my opinion:
1. The Huns (Attila) and the medieval Tatars (Chingiz-Khan) are essentially the same people.
In the expanses of Europe, Siberia to the Pacific, there lived mainly Turkic peoples.
Genghis Khan is of Tatars origin, but not the ancestor of modern Mongols. This is evidenced by a lot of primary sources.
"Mongol" in modern Tatar language means "eternal." Therefore, the "Mongol-Tatars" means essentially "Eternal Tatars", this, as, for example, the term "Eternal Rome" during the time of the Roman Empire in Europe. After all, all the empires claim that they are eternal.
Now about the terms "Tataria" and "Tartaria", which is written through the letter "R".
Probably, on some sources, the name change occurred because the word pronounced “Tataria” was translated with the addition of the letter “R”, since he on English is poorly pronounced, or not at all. Let the English speakers correct me. I think that there is no connection between this term and “Hellfire”.
Modern Tatars living on the territory of Russia are the people formed as a result of the mixing of medieval Tatars (Eastern Turks), Bulgars (Western Turks in the Volga region) and Finno-Ugric peoples.
Some information about the of modern Tatars - Tatars in their faces , Olympic champion in figure skating Alina Zagitova - , Roald Sagdeev - Director of the Space Science Center of the University of Maryland (USA), Rashid Syunyaev - Director of the Institute of Astrophysics of the Max Planck Society (Germany).
Modern Mongols are the descendants of only one of the peoples that were part of the huge "Tataria".
Until the 20th century, modern Mongols did not know about the existence of the great ancestor of Genghis Khan (there are no written primary sources). This was reported to them by Russian historians in the 20th century. Apparently in order to further confuse history and justify the so-called "Tatar-Mongol yoke", which was not.
A few words about the empire of Genghis Khan. The Tatars did not conquer, but annexed territories. Genghis Khan had a clear goal - “Peace from the Sea (Pacific Ocean) to the Sea (Atlantic Ocean)”. Taxes - 5-7% of income and all. But complete freedom within the state, laws, law and order, and protection from external enemies. At the same time, there was an election of local leaders, except for large territories, where only the heirs of Genghis Khan, who were also chosen from among the heirs, could be khans. Therefore, the people perceived the new order as a liberation from the yoke of their kings and khans. This explains the amazing speed of creating such a huge Tatar Empire. What is the prototype of the modern European Union. Of course, the laws according to their time were cruel, the riots were suppressed and there were mountains of severed heads. And where were the laws of that time not cruel?
Starting from the 16th century (1552, the conquest of Kazan by the Russians with the help of Catholic Rome) began a gradual falsification of history. After all, first in the 5th century, Attila, then in the 13th century, Genghis Khan brought terror not only to all of Asia, but also to Europe.
In open confrontation the Tatars were invincible. Therefore, all efforts by Catholic Rome were aimed at the destruction of the Tatar empire not only by military methods but also by underground methods — murder, poisoning of leaders, civil strife, etc. At the same time, Catholic Rome used the Russian state as an instrument for fulfilling its purpose. Conditions favored this - there were crop failures, famine and diseases, civil strife led to a weakening of the Tatar Empire.
At the same time, history was being rewritten and a Tatar-Mongol yoke was invented to substantiate the gains of the Russian state to the east.
Thus, the official Russian historiography commissioned by the Russian tsars by the 18th century completely erased the Tatar state from all official documents. In modern school and university textbooks of Russia also Tatar state after 16th century not.
Information was probably preserved only in state archives, to which access is still very limited today.
Constructive criticism is accepte.
Thank you for that post, it helped to understanding a few things to me. As a eastern-european student I new Crimea Tatar's history only a bit - probably just because it is part of my own country history. But, in a middle school my history teacher has boasted that he has doing a PhD diploma on a subject of Tatars - I remeber he investigated their culture mainly. His narrative was pathetic by looking at this nowadays - Tatar was a nation which has drunk mead or other alcohols till they be able to stand on their legs. Fully arrogant, primitive, they only burned villiges and raped everything around.
This is description of Tatars, nation who lived in one of most important region in Europe (still today), quite strategic region to control shipping, sailing in big area, even Asian tracts. Descritpion from a man of science - it shows us how education system sucks.


These days I really wonder how it's possible that we know about Tatars, seeing them as a part of Great Tartary on a maps but don't learn about connection between them at all.

So maybe their common features has been disconnected by historicians due to naming mistake.

Sometimes the simpler explanation the better - missing "R" letter could be prozaic reason that we call one nation in different ways. Otherwise, Crimea Tatar was quite more connected to Eastern Europe becasue of their location so that "pronunciation" idea you mentioned is reasnobale and may be truth.
 

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My son just alerted me to the presence of Tartaria in a game, Crusader Kings 2.

'Tartaria is a de jure empire consisting of 5 kingdom titles, 11 duchy titles and 55 county titles. The title does not exist by default in the timeframe of Crusader Kings II or The Old Gods DLC, but can be created by the player or the AI.' - so kind of hidden in the game!

Tartaria

It's from 2012, which seems to be the date when things we never heard of before started getting mentioned (Mandella effects!)
 

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Dear VinniePazman,
The Crimean Tatars and Volga Tatars are related peoples, because their basis is western turks and a similar language. However, as far as I know, the ancestors of the Crimean Tatars are also partly Eastern Goths (Germans). I note that after the death of her husband, the queen of the Kazan Khanate (1540-1552 years before the conquest of Kazan) was Suyumbike - the daughter of the Crimean Khan. This testifies to the close ties between the two peoples. But these are questions for specialists.

About wildness.
After the collapse of the Golden Horde (Western Siberia - Eastern Europe of the empire "Great Tatariya") in 1712, Russia introduced the so-called "serfdom" and made peasants slaves (they could be sold as cattle), which was abolished only in 1861.
In the civilized Roman Empire, Germany was regarded as a country of barbarians, however, there was no slavery in Germany.
Until 1917 (the October Revolution and the emergence of the Soviet Union), the Tatars did not drink alcohol at all. During the Soviet era, the Tatars, along with the Russians, began to drink alcohol and became more "civilized."
So that "wildness" - relative concept.

About the Golden Horde.
Before the formation of the empire of Genghis Khan, there was no trade between the east and the west. After the formation of the empire, trade between eastern and western countries began to flourish. There was the main "Silk Road" and smaller routes running through the empire of Genghis Khan. The question is whether trade could have gone if there had been constant wars. Obviously, there is no and the goal of Genghis Khan "The world from the sea (Pacific Ocean) to the sea (Atlantic Ocean) was partially achieved. There were several large cities that were larger than Rome and Paris of that time, that had water supply and sewage. At that , the city walls (as in Europe or other regions) did not exist at all, because during the attacks of any invaders, the "punitive detachments" of the Tatars quickly came and completely eliminate them.
Wherein:
-full freedom in religion, the economy, the election of leaders, the courts acted;
-as I have indicated earlier, taxes are 5-7% from income;
- lost property should have been returned to the owner, for theft - the death penalty;
- for the murder of ambassadors in any city the entire population of the city to destroyed;
- for adultery - death penalty, etc.
Here are briefly some information known to me.

However, the main question is why there are so many political maps and information about the Great Tatar Empire and why it disappeared after the 18th century (at least widely unknown in Russia), so far remains unanswered.
 

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Dear VinniePazman,
The Crimean Tatars and Volga Tatars are related peoples, because their basis is western turks and a similar language. However, as far as I know, the ancestors of the Crimean Tatars are also partly Eastern Goths (Germans). I note that after the death of her husband, the queen of the Kazan Khanate (1540-1552 years before the conquest of Kazan) was Suyumbike - the daughter of the Crimean Khan. This testifies to the close ties between the two peoples. But these are questions for specialists.

About wildness.
After the collapse of the Golden Horde (Western Siberia - Eastern Europe of the empire "Great Tatariya") in 1712, Russia introduced the so-called "serfdom" and made peasants slaves (they could be sold as cattle), which was abolished only in 1861.
In the civilized Roman Empire, Germany was regarded as a country of barbarians, however, there was no slavery in Germany.
Until 1917 (the October Revolution and the emergence of the Soviet Union), the Tatars did not drink alcohol at all. During the Soviet era, the Tatars, along with the Russians, began to drink alcohol and became more "civilized."
So that "wildness" - relative concept.

About the Golden Horde.
Before the formation of the empire of Genghis Khan, there was no trade between the east and the west. After the formation of the empire, trade between eastern and western countries began to flourish. There was the main "Silk Road" and smaller routes running through the empire of Genghis Khan. The question is whether trade could have gone if there had been constant wars. Obviously, there is no and the goal of Genghis Khan "The world from the sea (Pacific Ocean) to the sea (Atlantic Ocean) was partially achieved. There were several large cities that were larger than Rome and Paris of that time, that had water supply and sewage. At that , the city walls (as in Europe or other regions) did not exist at all, because during the attacks of any invaders, the "punitive detachments" of the Tatars quickly came and completely eliminate them.
Wherein:
-full freedom in religion, the economy, the election of leaders, the courts acted;
-as I have indicated earlier, taxes are 5-7% from income;
- lost property should have been returned to the owner, for theft - the death penalty;
- for the murder of ambassadors in any city the entire population of the city to destroyed;
- for adultery - death penalty, etc.
Here are briefly some information known to me.

However, the main question is why there are so many political maps and information about the Great Tatar Empire and why it disappeared after the 18th century (at least widely unknown in Russia), so far remains unanswered.
I don't have time to find it, but isn't it pretty well-known (even in mainline and it's in a thread here somewhere) that all history started being destroyed, books/everything rewritten with the Romanovs, then the Communists? It seemed pretty well documented.
That information, for example, may be a good entry in the prospective SH Wiki.
 

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I thought it was worth posting about the Voynich manuscript on here. I posted it on the thread about deciphering old texts but I think there may well be a link to Tartaria. Here are the two videos explaining how they deciphered it and where they think it came from etc.


I was already wondering if it could be Tartarian, then I noticed one of the comments below the 2nd video (the recent update) which I've copied below:

Alper Tetikoglu 1 week ago

'I am a Voynich investigator too, thank you for all the work you have done on the book with all your family brilliant and beyond, only they won't accept the fact that this book from 400-500 at least years before written and hidden and comes from place called Tartaria no body would admit that name and that is the secret for you, start with the maps see where it was located, to my investigation Siberia is very significant sir. Because it is written in language called Tartarian it was composed with all the elements of the places the alfabet come from was one big country'

It would make sense for this be Tartarian based on what we have discovered so far. Not only is the language 'unknown' but much of the content just seems so different to anything else we see. First example, maps:

I couldn't upload the image, file too big, and it wouldn't let me compress. You can see the images on this link. I'm sure you'll agree that this map is very different to any we have seen before, in terms of format and presentation.

The Rosette Map and Topography

The authors appear to be blonde females:

What They Look Like
Meet the Authors

Tartarian Architecture?

Castles and the Rosette Map
Architecture

Officially this manuscript originates from Italy, so we can probably eliminate Italy as a realistic possibility! The area speculated about definately includes areas which would have been part of Tartaria. Also find it interesting that it was probably written by a female as most historical documents seem to have been written by men, at least those we're allowed to know about!
 

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Seen it mentioned before but I can't find it right now. If I'm posting stuff that's already been mentioned let me know and I'll delete this.

In this 1608 map of Tartaria by Mercator / Hondius a lot of cities have a red stripe through them. Destroyed ?

Source
 

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I've been reading through this book almost all night long without getting any sleep. Still not finished.

It's really awesome especially in regards to the archeological finds.

Isn't it a thought to also post this book link in the "book-forum" so that this goldmine doesn't gets lost in the thread and gets the attention it deserves if one searches for antique books on this forum ?

Cheers and many thanks for this intruiging source !
 

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All I see in these pictures are pharaohs offspring with veils over their shoulders conspiring how to get rid of an old world system. The NWO did not happen yesterday.

According to official history we only have a handful of castles in Europe before the year 1000. All of it was built after pharaohs offspring left/had fled Egypt and brought their wealth with them to Europe via crusades (to mainly Switzerland and close borders for safety due to geological attributes). They spread so vividly around the world by rule of primae noctis. Only fit for this nobility to live in castles, right??

It seems that the previous system Europeans and probably the whole wide world enjoyed was a bit nicer with better distribution of wealth as there was never a need for any castles with dungeons, big walls, prisons and everything else that goes along with it like the rule over everyone, systematic rape and killing of indigenous people, enslavement and everything else you dare to imagine.

All I can say after this... shit man, the gay imbreds won. :( All this transsexual agenda being pushed from the elite today, and to think those transgender individual accusations of the first ladies were so unbelievable ... man just look at them with sane eyes, not just Michelle the previous ones too. Its a bunch of homo/imbred/drags ruling and having a big fukcing laugh at us. This picture sums it up pretty well actually. I dont care about the color of their veil and if they come from upper or lower Egypt rulers, they are obviously having a great time shooting all those "barbarians" around them.




Did something happen in the years prior that could have led to such dramatic measures like Sodom and Gomorrah? I'm certain that Sabbatai Zevi knew for sure, something about the year 1666 may ring some bells.

Speaking of gay-inbreds, check out Shannon Dorey's work on the Nummo. Fish-gods who came down and created humans?, but had two of the males fall in love and start breeding. This was a disaster because the males didn't have a connection the feminine, so they hate the goddess/earth. Whether they dress up to mock her, or because they know that the real power is identifying with the feminine/earth, I have no idea, but is this the biggest secret out there?

As the legend of the Nummo goes, these males started breeding and one of them took the Nummo ship and started burning up the earth, just as the Icarus story goes. The Nummo then dumped sand over the earth to clean up the mess the ship made of the earth after it had wiped out most of humanity and most of life. Kind of puts a lot of myths together in one place.
 

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