Kulibin's egg-shaped clock presented to Catherine II in 1769

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Traditional knowledge states: Ivan Petrovich Kulibin (April 21, 1735 – August 11, 1818) was a Russian mechanic and inventor. He was born in Nizhny Novgorod in the family of a trader. From childhood, Kulibin displayed an interest in constructing mechanical tools. Soon, clock mechanisms became a special interest of his. His realizations as well as his prolific imagination inspired the work of many. Additional information available: Wikipedia.

In 1769 Kulibin gave this clock to Catherine II. Well, let us take a look at this clock made some time in the 1760s.

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This clock is on display at The State Hermitage Museum in Saint-Petersburg, Russia.
So what is so special about this clock ? Let us take a look:
  1. It has 427 parts
  2. It is the size of a goose egg
  3. Indicates time and has a bell for striking the hours
  4. At noon, the clock plays a cantata, dedicated to Catherine and composed by Kulibin himself
  5. It plays strains of music on each quarter-hour
  6. The egg opens and small mechanical figures inside perform the Resurrection scene from the Bible: an angel descended to the Holy Sepulcher, where he surprised and frightened the guards and met The Three Marys
  7. Ornament quality and detail
  8. The only creation of Kulibin to survive the perils of time
The best video I could find appears to be in Russian language. There are quite a few items displayed in that video. Hopefully at some point we will get to reviewing some of those. For right now we are interested in this clock. To save time you can adjust YouTube player to 1:35.


Ok, so now when we established that this is a work of art, let us see the environment and circumstances surrounding the creation of this masterpiece.

According to Russiapedia: Kulibin was born in 1735 into a merchant's family in the town of Nizhny Novgorod. A local psalmist taught him to read, write, and count, and this was the only education he received aside from his own efforts to teach himself. His father, Pyotr Kulibin, wanted him to become a merchant, and accordingly made him work as a vendor, but the young Kulibin was more interested in mechanics and reading than in the family business. He turned his room into a workshop, made mechanical toys and tools for the household and for sale, and dreamed about becoming an engineer.
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What we get out of this is that Kulibin was taught to read, write and count. He wanted to learn new things and was interested in mechanics and reading. He lived in Nizhny Novgorod. Google Translate of article Development of the culture of the Nizhny Novgorod region in the 17-18th century states that in 1718 a very first local school teaching mathematics was opened. Additionally, in 1721 the Slavic-Greek school was founded, which in 1738 was transformed into a seminary. This is what was available for education to Kulibin. But as it was stated he was schooled by a local psalmist who taught him to read, write, and count. No additional outside education was received. Everything else Kulibin taught himself.

Let us move on to the reading portion. Kulibin enjoyed reading. What books could be available to read in mid-eighteenth century in Russia. Figuring out book availability at the time was not easy. But it appears that books were very rare and only a few were around. Once again Google Translate assisted with an article: How much did the book cost in Russia? I will keep the translation language unchanged: It is clear that very few people could afford to collect the library. Some information on Old Russian libraries has reached us. The largest collections of books in those days were most often with monasteries. The large library was in the Kirillov-Belozersky monastery in the XVII century. There were 473 books. In the Trinity-Sergius Lavra there were 411 books, in the Iosif-Volokolamsky Monastery - 189.

Same source states: In the middle of the 16th century, the first printing house appeared in Moscow. But for a long time, during the 17th and even the 18th century, the copyist's work remained a living, undying profession.

Appears that whatever libraries existed at the time were predominantly monastery based. It is hard to imagine that those libraries maintained extensive collections of books related to engineering, mathematics, physics. Books clearly were very rare and not cheap. So it is very hard to imagine that some boy from a merchant's family would be able to get a hold of the books required to teach him everything required for building complex engineering mechanisms (limited in space).

Let us take a look at what a clock/watch mechanism looks like. Let us not consider this super advanced so-called "ahead of their time" masterpieces of the past. Let us look at a regular clock mechanism from the 18th century.

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Clearly there were some much better and more advanced examples of the clocks and watches. But these ones probably represent the most common and less expensive items of those times. They also show a sharp contrast between what was really possible and those "ahead of its time" items.

What existing technology was available to the society at the time? We see too many contrasts. So let us consider government resources. What does every government (let's not bring in the US Federal Reserve controversy here) issues, and maintains, and protects? Correct, it's own money. Well let us take a look at the coins minted in Russia around 1750. While golden and silver coins are clearly of better quality, this is what represents the level of technology available to the most powerful person in Russia (the Empress).

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Catherine the Great was probably Great for a reason. Upon seeing Kulibin's egg-clock she probably would have commanded him to fix the quality of her money at the very least. Money is something that everybody has some sort of access to. Those coins had her face on them. The face of the country.

Let us look at the transportation of the 18th century in Russia (and the rest of the world for that matter.) Where is the technology reflected in Kulibin's egg-clock?

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Well let us move on and look at the egg-clock again. Those parts it consists off are tiny. Tiny and minuscule. Up to the point when the master would need optics to be making them. What tools were available in the 18th century? I will show a few. Some of them are dated 1900s. Even some of those tools are too good to be true, but that we will talk about later.

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Now tell me. How do you make the below with the above?

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So what does it take today to become a watch/clock builder? I know nothing about watch making, so I asked Google. One of the schools provided was The British School Of Watchmaking. Let's see.

The WOSTEP 3000 Hour Program

This course is centered upon preparing the students for employment as watch repairers in autonomous roles. Graduates are able to service, adjust (repair) and encase various products (both mechanical and electronic) available on the contemporary market. Watch repairers understand and apply various theoretical knowledge to repair situations where they may not have encountered a certain calibre or type of repair previously. Watch repairers are able to evaluate, adjust or manufacture certain components where necessary in order to resolve repairs.

The delivery strategy is based both on theoretical and practical elements.
  • Courses taking place every two years (e.g. 2018, 2020, 2022 etc.).
  • Internationally recognized by the watch industry.
  • Recognized by the Convention Patronale (CP) as being equivalent to the Swiss CFC 4 years watch repair educational program.
  • 3000 Hours, full time program. The course is taught over two academic years, Monday to Friday 8:30am to 5pm (37.5 hours per week).
  • Courses begin September with applications closing 1st March (2018, 2020, 2022 etc.).
  • Graduates can be expected to be competent in:
  1. Encasing
  2. Movement exchange
  3. Servicing (quartz, manual, automatic and chronograph movements)
  4. Advanced adjustment and regulation techniques
  5. Quality control
  6. Micromechanics
Hmm. The 2 year course prepares the students to become repairers. Does not say watch makers in there. Some other watchmaking school states the following:
Our Certified Watchmaking Course (3,000-Hour WOSTEP Program) begins with eight months of micromechanics. This forms the groundwork upon which you will continue to build a lifetime of learning. Our students learn the basics of filing, sawing, drilling, heat-treating, turning and all other operations necessary to manufacture parts of a watch such as a winding stem and balance staff. Our fully equipped micromechanics lab gives our students the perfect environment to learn and apply advanced machining operations common to our industry. The focus of the micromechanics curricula is to develop enhanced hand, eye, and thinking skills of the ultimate watchmaking tool – the watchmaker!

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This awesome word I noticed is Micromechanics:
  • Micromechanics (or, more precisely, micromechanics of materials) is the analysis of composite or heterogeneous materials on the level of the individual constituents that constitute these materials.
Below is the contemporary 21st Century watch mechanism which is impossible to build without the knowledge of micromechanics.

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But Kulibin self educated himself into building the below prior to 1769. With the only difference that his watch has a theater and actors built into it.

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If you have a watch/clock making friend, ask him or her what it would take today (with contemporary tools, optics, education, resources) in 2018 to match Kulibin's creation? You might be very surprised.

Summary of my endeavors here: while there are quite a few highly advanced and very old items available for our inspection in various museums of the worlds, there is a reason why those items are considered to be made "ahead of their time". There is a reason why they are being kept in those museums and why they are being valued and treasured. Those are abnormality. And they are clearly explained by the contemporary historians as achievements. Their existence means that they were made. We don't really know how, but if they exist it was achievable with our technology.

I strongly disagree with this. Were such items built 250 years ago? Quite possible they were. But they were built by the people who had institutional knowledge of constructing things like this. They had proper tools and adequate education for building items of comparable qualities. They were fairly comparably advanced human civilization which was annihilated a few hundred years ago. In some areas hey might have been even more advanced than ours. I will keep on providing circumstantial evidence of the existence of such a civilization.

Did Kulibin build this clock? If he did, he belonged to that civilization. Or may be his assignment in history is to be the creator of this beautiful masterpiece.
 
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Although the thread is a bit older I thought this might give some comparison to how difficult the above mechanism might have been. Some time back I'd seen a recreation attempt (so far unfinished as far as I know)
There are about 8ish episodes of him working through layers and parts and when I first watched it I was pretty impressed. Then I remembered from some engineer the opinion that a civilization's advancement can be measured in the tolerances of it's engineering. Adding another zero to a tolerance of .1 suddenly becomes .01, so how advanced were the people who reduced the Antikythera Mechanism(effectively) to the size of a goose egg?

Plus, if you're like me, you'll enjoy watching all this work done by hand by someone who obviously enjoys it.
 

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So Kulibin was a master...

Draughtsman
Architect
Mechanic
Metalurgist
Craftsman
Musician
Engineer
Etc

Isn't it strange that all of these historical genius people are masters of so many trades?

Best guess? Either he was part of the hidden hand, or it is a discovered artifact from a previous time & he has passed it off as his own (he isn't the 1st to do so).

Always makes me laugh when we are believed as being techologically advanced these days. I believe we do things the hardest way possible, previous civilizations new the easy 'natural' ways of creating & doing seemingly complex things.

I belive we are dumb, we simply cannot figure out what our most recent ansestors could :)
 

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So Kulibin was a master...

Draughtsman
Architect
Mechanic
Metalurgist
Craftsman
Musician
Engineer
Etc

Isn't it strange that all of these historical genius people are masters of so many trades?

Best guess? Either he was part of the hidden hand, or it is a discovered artifact from a previous time & he has passed it off as his own (he isn't the 1st to do so).

Always makes me laugh when we are believed as being techologically advanced these days. I believe we do things the hardest way possible, previous civilizations new the easy 'natural' ways of creating & doing seemingly complex things.

I belive we are dumb, we simply cannot figure out what our most recent ansestors could :)
I'm not so sure about 'dumb'. I've felt that if we could start students on the material of the 1800s and early 1900s we could skip Einstein and go right back to Schauberger and Tesla...maybe some of this could come back out rather than having it all dribbled back to us slowly over 200 years with the always included 'rent' of the technology.
 

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