How old is the Aral Sea?

Those who pay attention know that the Aral Sea is almost gone. As a matter of fact is is no longer a sea but a puddle. Multiple irrigation projects related to the diversion of the Syr Darya and Amu Darya rivers are being blamed for this environmental crisis.
  • Technically, this article should have been called, "How old was the Aral sea"?

There used to be water here...


But... this article is not about our contemporary affairs. Let's try to figure out the real age of the body of water formerly known as the Aral Sea.

The Aral Sea: The Narrative
The Aral Sea depression was formed toward the end of the Neogene Period (which lasted from about 23 to 2.6 million years ago). Sometime during that process the hollow was partially filled with water - a portion of which came from the Syr Darya. In the early and middle parts of the Pleistocene Epoch (about 2,600,000 to 11,700 years ago), the region appears to have dried up, only to be inundated again sometime between the end of the Pleistocene and the early Holocene Epoch (i.e., after about 11,700 years ago) - the latter instance being the first time by the Amu Darya, which had temporarily changed its course from the Caspian to the Aral Sea.


After that, except for some relatively brief dry spells between the 3rd and 1st centuries BCE, the two rivers’ combined flows generally maintained a high water level in the sea until the 1960s.
  • Essentially, the PTB tell us that the Aral sea is no less than 2,000 but most likely more than 1,000 years old.
  • Let's see if we are being told the truth.
KD: You know that they are not, but as far as the Aral Sea goes, the narrative is all over the place.

The Kerderi Group
Kerderi is a group of abandoned settlements located on the dried seafloor of what was once the Aral Sea, in Kazakhstan. Kerderi is thought to have been inhabited around the 14th century, when water levels were low enough to expose dry land.


It is not known when Kerderi was abandoned. However, some objects from Kerderi have been carbon-dated to as late as the start of the 16th century and historical evidence suggests that the Aral Sea began slowly refilling after 1570, when the Amu Darya river resumed its flow into the Aral.
  • Kerderi was completely flooded; at 1960 water levels, the settlement was inundated under 19 metres (62 ft) of water.
  • When the Soviets diverted the Amu Darya and Syr Darya after the 1960s, the Aral retreated once more, and Kerderi became accessible for the first time in modern history. The settlements were rediscovered in 2001.
  • They have since served as important evidence of the Aral Sea's historic changes in depth.
  • Kerderi
  • Secrets of the Aral Sea

There are three distinct sites at Kerderi, which have been named Kerderi-1, Kerderi-2, and Aral Asar. The settlements are known for the ruins of two mausoleums. The inhabitants of Kerderi-1 had access to fresh water from the Syr Darya, which once meandered nearby. Archaeological evidence shows the inhabitants grew rice and wheat, and also raised livestock. Aral Asar drew the benefits of trade as a stop on the Silk Road.

The Caspian Sea
One of the first things we need to understand is this. The Caspian Sea had a very different shape as recently as some 400 years ago. What we have today is just a tiny portion of the 1500-1600s version of the Caspian Sea.
  • I am not a professional overlayer, but it should give you a general idea of what happened sometime after 1640.
1640 vs. 2021

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1635 vs. 2021

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I think the encircled locations define the size of the Caspian Sea of the past. Of course, most of the city names are bogus. The PTB renamed just about everything we know in most of the questionable areas of the world.


The Aral Sea
The Aral Sea was first mapped and described by A. Butakov in 1848-49, then studied by the Aral-Caspian Expedition of 1874, but it was most extensively investigated on several trips by L. Berg from 1900-06, resulting in an important monograph (1908).
  • We discovered America in 1492, but noone bothered to map the Aral Sea until 1848. Isn't it strange?
  • Luckily this is not really the case. There are plenty of maps suggesting that the area was mapped plenty of times.
Let's see when the Aral Sea was really formed. Something tells me that it was not as long ago as they want us to think.





































KD on Maps: Dating of some of the above maps is questionable, imho. In general, it appears that something major happened between 1655 and 1686. Over a half of the Caspian Sea just picked up and left.
  • The first time we can spot any body of water at the approximate location of the future Aral Sea is between 1730 and 1737.
  • We also have it named Lac Oxianes. Google translated Lacus Oxianes as Aral.
  • It appears that at first we had no lake or sea there. Than we had a lake. That lake was getting bigger and bigger, and became a sea.
I'm fairly confident that prior to approximately 1730 there were no Aral lakes or seas out there.

I keep on thinking that for some parts of the world, our texts and our maps are off by 100 years. There a few reasons for that, and this here is one of those. From the historical perspective, some things make more sense when this possible 100 year offset is taken into consideration.

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Is this how they were indoctrinating things and places?
  • Step 1. Mention Peter the Great who visited Paris in 1717 and already knew about the Aral Sea.
  • Step 2. Make a claim that due to this or that Caspian and Aral Seas were never one and the same.
  • Step 3. Put the above info into text books, and start teaching the narrative.


As we can see, in 1762 the Aral Sea-Lake was reported to be 150 miles long and 70 miles wide. This is consistent with the maps from the same time period. Compare this to 1960s:
  • The Aral Sea’s greatest extent from north to south was almost 270 miles, while from east to west it was just over 180 miles.
  • Looks like the size of the Aral Sea was never something constant.
Receding Waters
I do believe that the Caspian Sea and the Aral Sea were one and the same prior to 1655-1686. But what's truly interesting is that our oval shaped Caspian Sea we see on the maps predating 1655, was not always that big. In my opinion, the oval shape was formed by the same cataclysmic event that triggered the Age of Discovery. The below Sabayil Castle can explain why I think so.

Sabayil Castle
In 1235 Shirvanshah Fariburz III had a fortification built on one of the rocky islands of the Baku bay which was subsequently called the Sabael Castle, Shahri Saba, Shahri Nau, the city under water, the caravanserai, the Bail rocks, etc. Wrapped in legends, the castle is completely under water at present and is about 350 meters distant from the shore.
  • In 1306 as a result of a strong earthquake in the south of the Caspian and the rise of the sea level the fortress sank into the water.
  • From the beginning of the XIV century and to the beginning of the XVIII century the building was flooded with the Caspian waters.
  • In 1723 in connection with the abatement of the water level in the Caspian the top of the tower appeared from beneath the water.
  • The upper part of the building is completely destroyed, only the lower part of the walls and the towers reaching in some places about 1,5-2 m high is surviving.
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The archaeological investigations of the castle were carried out in 1939, 1940, 1946, 1962 and 1969. In the course of the excavations the foundations of 9 habitual premises were discovered, two of them had a hearth. About 700 stones with inscriptions, fragments of earthenware crockery of black and red baking, intact vessels, copper coins of Shirvanshah Kershasb (1203/4-24) and others were lifted from the bottom of the sea. Also were found the fragments of potter’s pipes of different diameters which seemed to be water-pipes. At present part of the stones lifted from the bottom of the sea are displayed in the museum of the Shirvanshahs’ Palace.


In the early 19th century, well-known Azerbaijani historian A.Bakikhanov wrote:
  • The towers that can still be seen in the sea before the city of Baku, the walls, gravestones and descriptions written by historians about the former condition of this city show that what was urban 400 or 500 years ago is now submarine.
  • Presumably, these places will surface again sometime in the future.
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Arif Ardebili (born in 1311), a poet of the Middle Ages, noted in his well-known dastan (epic poem) "Farkhad-name" the view he had seen:
  • There is a fortress in the sea near Baku,
  • This new fortress went down in flood.
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Additional Sabayil Castle Sources:

KD summary: As far as I understand, some time prior to 1400, there was a major catastrophic event of biblical proportions. I do not know if it was the Noah's Flood, but it was the flood that changed the world. Once the waters receded, the oval Caspian sea was formed. At this point we are talking about the late 14th or early 15th century. Then, something happened again, this time between 1655 and 1686, and the oval Caspian Sea lost over 50% of its waters.
  • In approximately 1730, the Aral Sea started to form in the area previously occupied by the oval shaped Caspian Sea.
I find it ironic that our scientific and environmental communities are all freaking out over the disappearance of the Aral Sea. That's probably because they do not know that 200 years ago there was no Aral Sea.
  • Methinks, they need to be stripped of their degrees and statuses for their failure to notice that over the span of some 200 years, this world lost close to 70% of the Caspian See. The world did not even blink.
P.S. See post #16 of this article for some interesting info.
I think there could be a lot of underwater cities and towns in the southern end of the Caspian Sea.

It's an interesting idea. My only problem is that by the superimposition you did, the sea was upon regions way above sea level nowadays, while the southern part of the Caspian should have been submerged because way below sea level. Don't know if I am clear
That's because we look from our today's understanding of things.
  • And the high mountains shall be shaken
  • And the high hills shall be made low
  • Every valley shall be raised up
  • Every mountain and hill made low
  • The rough ground shall become level
  • The rugged places a plain
  • Every valley shall be filled in
  • Every mountain and hill made low
  • The crooked roads shall become straight
  • The rough ways smooth
  • SH Article
Quick overlay onto my map with the above image and almost all of the highlighted points have either a star fort, castle or kremlin.

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To the left you have numerous WOW lines and also above.

One of my favourite forts is this one at Mangystau.
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The whole area is peppered with strange geometric remains.

Lots of mud volcanoes and the birthplace of oil in Baku.


Very strange area that is 30m below sea level in places.

I also have fort Shevchenko which got destroyed in 1919 and is apparently named after this guy.
@Right Arm, are you aware of any official explanation for this?
Only these,
However they kind of contradict each other.

They say it fell into the sea but there seems very little debris and as you can see whatever it was has exposed what was underneath the fort, I would hazard a guess that this fort suffered the same fate as the forts along the black sea coast that I read about from the wakeuphuman.

I will look for a link.
They say it fell into the sea but there seems very little debris and as you can see whatever it was has exposed what was underneath the fort, I would hazard a guess that this fort suffered the same fate as the forts along the black sea coast that I read about from the wakeuphuman.
None of it makes sense. That site you linked says:
  • Novo-Alexandrovskiy Fort was manned until 1846, by which time the site at which it had been constructed was realized to have been chosen unwisely.
  • The water level in front of the fort had dropped, which eventually led to erosion, causing one of its lovely starfort bastions to tumble ignominiously down a precipice.
First of all, the water level of what? The Caspian Sea is to the west of this fort, but so is the hill. If they imply that it was built next to some water, it’d be interesting to find out what body of water it was.
None of it makes sense. That site you linked says:
  • Novo-Alexandrovskiy Fort was manned until 1846, by which time the site at which it had been constructed was realized to have been chosen unwisely.
  • The water level in front of the fort had dropped, which eventually led to erosion, causing one of its lovely starfort bastions to tumble ignominiously down a precipice.
First of all, the water level of what? The Caspian Sea is to the west of this fort, but so is the hill. If they imply that it was built next to some water, it’d be interesting to find out what body of water it was.
This fort is also 160m above sea level but yet built as the same time as the Shevchenko fort which is -25 below sea level, either one has come up or the other has gone down but there is no mention of such in the timescale given.

The for also looks much older that 174 years due to the smoothness of it's edges, harsh climate yes not that harsh I would guess.

Yet they also say that forts were built(founded) by order of Peter the great so it's all a little confusing.

Mangystau Region - Wikipedia
Hi Everyone. Long time reader.

Recently I have been looking into the Black Sea, Caspian and Aral Sea because of an interest for trade routes and the production of Russian black caviar which is actually under export limits and used to come from the Caspian Sea. 2/3rds of the black caviar consumed in Russia these days is actually a sort of fake caviar from China.

I stumbled upon the following few articles which were quite interesting. It is a huge chunk of information and I am still reading up on it.
Essentially what I was interested in is the water quality of the Caspian Sea and if it could potentially be replicated since it is a big factor for caviar.

What always plays at the back of my mind is the whole topic of the electric universe / polarity changes etc. Sometimes I wonder if channels like the suspiciousobservers are missing a chunk of the puzzle relying on the same falsified data/ years (not purposefully) that topics on target, having already missed a huge initial change in the earths shifting fields.


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I am not sure I understand your train of thought as far as the caviar goes. Are there some special salinity qualities or something? I thought that caviar was being made in many various places with no concern for the Caspian salt. I'm just curious here.

Speaking of the polarity changes. When do you think the most recent polarity change/shift took place?
The caviar sort of brought me into the topic of what kind of water is optimal. Indeed the beluga sturgeon which used to be farmed and exported from the Caspian sea has a very specific flavour which cannot be quite replicated with aquaculture farms. I assumed that this is down to the fish and the environment. Naturally fish without adequate stimulus raised in an aquaculture farm will not make for an amazing tasting fish. Much like salmon that is grown in these kind of farms.

The Caspian sea is actually both fresh and salt water. It is called the largest salt lake. "its salty water is diluted by the inflow of fresh water, especially in the north" Caspian Sea: Largest Inland Body of Water

The Caspian/Aral sea continue drying up. I assumed that during one of the deluges or/and polar shifts/ ice ages it got flooded and created this encapsulate environment for this sturgeon fish breed.

An interesting thing which was mentioned on the previous gen forum in the Dinosaur AMA thread was that there was some research conducted into being able to stimulate fish eggs, plants and vegetables such as corn to causing its DNA to revert back to its "ancient" form with the help of an electrostatic field. This was mentioned by Dieselelectric on the old forum / Now Magnetic? The “Urzeit” Code

The train of thought is a bit of a stretch but according to the Urzeitcode info they managed to create a giant "historic " form of trout which was extinct in Europe for 130 years. Maybe the fish trapped in the Caspian / Aral sea was some form of older breed. I haven't delved into this yet but it could possibly be a good indicator to obtain a better overview of the timeframe the Caspian/ Aral sea has existed for.

Am not trying to grow sturgeons but I just find the topic of quality plants and animals to be quite fascinating.

I wouldn't know where to start concerning a polar change and timeframes but from what I understand when the poles move to another position .. lets say "90 degrees" then at some point it will also have to move back to its rough initial position. What if we are actually moving back into our "original" polar positions? Naturally this could be totally wrong. The last X event caused flood/freezing/melting etc.

You do a pretty amazing job at trying to find these dates with your work and I am still much more of a reader.

The question on where the salt water came from is quiet important. I haven't found any solid information on the origins of this map:

Apparently it is from a collection of the University of Uppsala, Sweden.


If the Black Sea was connected at one point after the melting/ flood then it would explain the salt found in the Caspian Sea.

Edit: I totally forgot to take into account that even the Black Sea has got ancient villages on the bottom of it. The med also got flooded/created/expanded at one point. The salt water had to come from some past event.

However what is curious about this map is the connection from the Caspian Sea down through Iran/Iraq - Bagdad.
Bagdad flowing into the Persian Gulf at one point is a confirmed thing I believe but how much would need to change to sever a connection between the Caspian Sea and what I assume would be Bagdad.
Maybe the plates moved upwards but maybe the map is just an elaborate fake.

If such a connection still existed it would certainly improve the current Suez Canal blockade.
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