Crepuscular Rays a.k.a. Bulshitax Scientificus, or how far is the Sun?

Sun rays shining through clouds and trees appear to be coming from a not so distant light source. As a matter of fact, if you continue the ray lines to the source, you will end up with the Sun being approximately 32 miles in diameter, and about 3,000 miles (some say much less) above the Earth’s surface. Yet, the traditional science states that the Sun is located 92,955,807 miles away, and its diameter is 1,390,000 miles.

Basic idea: the rays of Sun light emitted from a source located 93 mln miles away should arrive to Earth visibly parallel to each other.
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Yet, in reality we get this
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There is a scientific explanation for such a phenomena. It is called "Crepuscular rays". The name comes from their frequent occurrences during twilight hours (those around dawn and dusk), when the contrasts between light and dark are the most obvious. Crepuscular comes from the Latin word "crepusculum", meaning twilight.

Crepuscular rays
Crepuscular rays in atmospheric optics, are rays of sunlight that appear to radiate from the point in the sky where the sun is located. These rays, which stream through gaps in clouds or between other objects, are columns of sunlit air separated by darker cloud-shadowed regions. Despite seeming to converge at a point, the rays are in fact near-parallel shafts of sunlight. Their apparent convergence is a perspective effect, similar, for example, to the way that parallel railway lines seem to converge at a point in the distance. The sun rays do converge to the sun, but the sun is much further away than the rays might make it look like.

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I personally think that this is another one of those "do not believe your own eyes, we are the scientists and have a formula". And here is why I think so.

Of the top of my head I can come up with two natural Sun-related scenarios when I personally observed these "Crepuscular rays".

SUN - 93 mln Miles Away
Sun Through Clouds

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Sun Through Trees
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Moon - 238,900 miles away
~390 times closer than Sun
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Then we have some man made occurrences of these angular rays of light.

Street Lights
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Disco Lights
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Cool Stuff
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Well, there we go again. Those Sun rays are parallel, and our eyes are playing tricks with us. We obviously have no clue where the shining light is coming from.

A Hot Spot with No Twilight and Not Through Clouds.
The Rays are still Crepuscular...

A hot spot from 93 mln miles away? How far is the Sun?
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Eratosthenes and the Earth measurements.
Apparently those parallel rays are not as parallel, though our scientists say they are. But if they are not, then how did Eratosthenes manage to get his accurate measurements of the Earth circumference. How did he know that the rays of light he used (600 miles apart) were not “Crepuscular-crooked” at the moment of measuring. Oh, I forgot, they are still parallel, they just look weird.

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Actually... it works both ways anyways
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Those coincidences...
The Sun and Moon appear the same size in Earth's sky because the sun's diameter is about 400 times greater – but the sun is also about 400 times farther away.

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May be Eratosthenes should have used the Moon light instead. Apparently it makes no difference, 93 mln miles away, or 239k miles away. Those amazing Crepuscular rays stay the same. Ah, what the heck, a simple street light could have served the purpose.
"All right, Beatrice, there was no alien. The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus."- Kay, MIB.
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KD: If we were to be watched, would “they” do it from 93 mln miles away?
 

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Very compelling video of what appears to be clouds BEHIND the sun.
Hard to fully validate since we are not viewing with our eyes, but using digital cameras here, and I'm not sure that they have the true fidelity we expect of them.

But none the less.
 
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    The distance to any celestial object is pure guesswork that's that inserted into trigonometry to make it seem credible.

    Everyone's favorite moon hoax debunker/NASA apologist, Phil Plait, on the origin of the modern day value:

    In 1653, an astronomer named Christian Huygens (pronounced "Hoy-gens") was the first to find this distance. He used a very clever idea, but as you'll see in a moment, he had to make a guess about one of his numbers. By pure blind coincidence, he guessed correctly and so his measurement of the AU is essentially correct....

    ...Now, if you can measure any two internal angles in a triangle, and know the length of one of its sides, you can determine the length of another side. Since Huygens knew the Sun-Venus-Earth angle (from the phases), and he could directly measure the Sun-Earth-Venus angle (simply by measuring Venus' apparent distance from the Sun on the sky) all he needed was to know the distance from Earth to Venus. Then he could use some simple trigonometry to get the Earth-Sun distance.

    This is where Huygens tripped up. He knew that if you measured the apparent size of an object, and knew its true size, you could find the distance to that object. Huygens thought he knew the actual size of Venus using such unscientific techniques as numerology and mysticism. Using these methods he thought that Venus was the same size as the Earth. As it turn out, that is correct! Venus is indeed very close to being the same size as the Earth, but in this case he got it right by pure chance. But since he had the right number, he wound up getting the about the correct number for the AU.

    Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy: Mad Science

    Better to be lucky than good! At least we have craft like this that may eventually get within 4 million miles of the sun! Then we'll just check the odometer when it comes back... (really not sure how you would measure distance or speed on a spaceship, but that's about the least of my concerns.)
     

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    Please, look up youngish double slit experiment. These are the results, but you can try this at home. Its called light defraction. Wear are you guys from? In Canada we're taught this in grade 8.

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    Please, look up youngish double slit experiment. These are the results, but you can try this at home. Its called light defraction. Wear are you guys from? In Canada we're taught this in grade 8.
    Light diffraction is offered as an explanation, but it seems to me that it is based on the presumption of the sun's light rays being parallel. As with much of cosmology (and what else passes for science), we presume a condition and then develop what are seemingly reasonable explanations, while never actually proving the premise. In your image, for instance, the top portion shows the sun's rays coming in parallel. Who witnessed that? How could one even "witness" that?

    The fact is that if we didn't presume sun rays to be parallel that we'd have to ask "how did Eratosthenes manage to get his accurate measurements of the Earth circumference"? We desperately need straight lines or else we can't tell our math stories.

    Then there's the whole eclipse/umbra business, where you get the moon casting a a smaller shadow than its supposed size. We can call that light diffraction again, but are we even explaining anything there? And why do we tend to illustrate it like this?

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    Again, light rays are parallel because you can't do the math with curvy lines. It's basically heresy to question it, so we need to explain it by giving it a label.
     

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    No-one knows what the sun is or where it is but its effect is to light.
    Get in a dark empty room and light a single candle and set it down on the floor. Using your own body and its senses you will discover that light is omni-directional from its source.

    Cannot put it any clearer than Bantas last line..
     

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    So, I guess the sun came down and parked 10' out the window for this photo? Must have gotten pretty dark for the neighbour's.

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    So, I guess the sun came down and parked 10' out the window for this photo? Must have gotten pretty dark for the neighbour's.

    This is missing the point. It's not that light diffraction isn't a thing... It's that despite visual indicators to the contrary, it is claimed that sunrays travel in parallel lines and because they do, we can then use them for the purposes of mathematically deriving distances. If sun rays are not parallel (or if sun rays themselves are something that do not travel, and simply ARE), then a lot of our cosmological "proofs" have no foundation to stand on.
     

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    So, I guess the sun came down and parked 10' out the window for this photo? Must have gotten pretty dark for the neighbour's.
    Get a piece of wood or cardboard and cut a rectangular hole in it then repeat the candle in a dark room experiment but this time move the holey wood/cardboard near to or further away from the candle and you will re-create the pattern of light and shadow in your photograph. Light is omni-directional from its source and anything that does not give free passage to light will provide a lit side and an unlit side.
     
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    So, I guess the sun came down and parked 10' out the window for this photo? Must have gotten pretty dark for the neighbour's.

    Please, look up youngish double slit experiment. These are the results, but you can try this at home. Its called light defraction. Wear are you guys from? In Canada we're taught this in grade 8.

    Why do you have to be so snarky?
    If you're looking for the truth then we are on the same side.
    If you have compelling proofs, please invest in writing them down and contributing to the discussion.
     
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