The forgotten people of Tahuglauk and Mozeemlek: 17th century North America

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A few days ago I was looking at some older (17th-18th century) maps when two words attracted my attention. Those words were "Tahuglauk" and "Mozeemlek". Googling the words revealed that Google knows what Wikipedia does not. Surprisingly there was very little contemporary information pertaining to the topic. At the same time I found several 19th century books in Google Books. Started reading and found the information rather interesting, though there was not much of it. Tahugluak and Mozeemlek were two, apparently white, nations/tribes of Native American people.

Here is a couple of instances I found intriguing, "Tahuglauk wear their beards two fingers' breadth long; that their garments reach down to their knees; that they cover their heads with a sharp-pointed cap; that they always wear a long stick or cane in their hands, which is tipped, not unlike what we use in Europe; that they wear a sort of boot upon their legs which reach up to their knee; that their women never show themselves, which perhaps proceeds from the same principle that prevails in Italy and Spain;"

The other one was, "the lower part of that river is adorned with six noble cities, surrounded with stone cemented with fat earth; that the houses of these cities have no roofs, but are open above, like a platform, as you see them drawn in the map; that besides the above-mentioned cities, there are above an hundred towns".

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I thought about sharing the info I came upon, but felt that a certain prerequisite was missing, so I put this little article together: Bizarre transformation of the North American Continent: 16th through 19th centuries. Please go over it first before continuing. I think it might contribute to those few possible reasons why the people of Tahugluak and Mozeemlek were never found.

Below you will find the entire chunk of original information pertaining to the people of Tahugluak and Mozeemlek published in 1852. Allegedly this account took place in 1698. The person, responsible for documenting it was Baron la Houtan, "Lord Lieutenant of the French Colony at Placentia in Newfoundland".

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1772 Vaugondy - Diderot Map

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Exploration and survey of the Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah:
including a reconnoissance of a new route through the Rocky Mountains - excerpt

- archive link -
---- beginning of the original text

"It was at this place that the baron received his information respecting the lake of salt water. He says, "Two days after, the cacick" (of the Gnacsitares)" came to see me, and brought with him four hundred of his own subjects and four Mozeemlek savages, whom I took for Spaniards. My mistake was occasioned by the great difference between these two American nations; for the Mozeemlek savages were clothed, they had a thick bushy beard, and their hair hung down under their ears; their complexion was swarthy, their address was civil and submissive, their mien grave, and their carriage engaging. Upon these considerations I could not imagine that they were savages, though, after all, I found myself mistaken. These four slaves gave me a description of their country, which the Gnacsitares represented by way of a map upon a deer's skin, as you see it drawn in this map. Their villages stand upon a river that springs out of a ridge of mountains, from which the Long River likewise derives its source, there being a great many brooks there, which, by a joint confluence, form the river."

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* The boats, with a drawing, are thus described in the map: " The vessels used by the Tahuglauk, in which two hundred men may row. provided they are such forms as the Mozeemlek people drew me on the bark of trees. According to my computation, such a vessel must be one hundred and thirty feet long from the prow to the stern."

* On that part of the map which is confessedly derived from Indian authority is the following note: "A map drawn upon stag-skins by Gnacsitares, who gave me to know latitudes of all places marked in it, by pointing to the respective places of heavens that one or t'other corresponded to; for by this means I could adjust the latitude to half a degree or little more; having first received from them a computation of distances in fazons, each of which I compute to be three long French leagues."


"The Mozeemlek nation is numerous and puissant. The four slaves of that country informed me that at the distance of one hundred and fifty leagues from the place I then was, their principal river empties itself into a salt lake of three hundred leagues in circumference, the mouth of which is two leagues broad; that the lower part of that river is adorned with six noble cities, surrounded with stone cemented with fat earth; that the houses of these cities have no roofs, but are open above, like a platform, as you see them drawn in the map; that besides the above-mentioned cities, there are above an hundred towns, great and small, round that sort of sea, upon which they navigate with such boats as you see drawn in the map; that the people of that country made stuffs, copper axes, and several other manufactures, which the Outagamis and my other interpreters could not give me to understand, as being altogether unacquainted with such things; that their government was despotic, and lodged in the hands of one great head, to whom the rest paid a trembling submission; that the people upon that lake are called Tahuglauk, and are as numerous as the leaves of trees, (such is the expression that the savages use for an hyperbole) that the Mozeemlek people supply the cities or towns of the Tahuglauk with great numbers of little calves, which they take in the above-mentioned mountain; and that the Tahuglauk make use of these calves for several ends; for they not only eat their flesh, but bring 'em up to labour, and make clothes, boots, &c. of their skins. They added, that it was their misfortune to be took prisoners by the Gnacsitares with war, which had lasted for eighteen years; but that they hoped a peace would be speedily concluded, upon which the prisoners would be exchanged, pursuant to the usual custom. I could pump nothing further out of 'em, with relation to the country, commerce, and customs of that remote nation: all they could say was that the great river of that nation runs along westward, and that the salt lake into which it falls is three hundred leagues in circumference and thirty in breadth, its mouth stretching a great way to the southward." "I would have fain satisfied my curiosity, in being an eyewitness of the manners and customs of the Tahuglauk, but that being impracticable, I was forced to be instructed at secondhand by these Mozeemlek slaves; who assured me upon the faith of a savage that the Tahuglauk wear their beards two fingers' breadth long; that their garments reach down to their knees; that they cover their heads with a sharp-pointed cap; that they always wear a long stick or cane in their hands, which is tipped, not unlike what we use in Europe; that they wear a sort of boot upon their legs which reach up to their knee; that their women never show themselves, which perhaps proceeds from the same principle that prevails in Italy and Spain; and in fine, that this people are always at war with the puissant nations that are seated in the neighborhood of the lake, but withal that they never disquiet the strolling nations that fall in their way by reason of their weakness - an admirable lesson for some princes in the world, who are so much intent upon the making use of the strongest hand. This was all I could gather upon that subject. My curiosity prompted me to desire a more particular account; but unluckily I wanted a good interpreter: and having to do with several persons that did not well understand themselves, I could make nothing of their incoherent fustian."

---- end of the original text

A detailed map accompanies this imaginative voyage up this most imaginary river. It is represented as flowing due east through 25 degrees of longitude, numerous streams putting into it on either side, with mountains, islands, villages, and domains of Indian tribes, whose very names have at this day sunk into oblivion. The map was afterward published, in 1710, by John Senex, F. R. S., as a part of "North America, corrected from the observations communicated to the Royal Society at London and the Royal Academy at Paris," and I have annexed it as a specimen of the geographical knowledge of America enjoyed at that period.'".

KorbenDallas note:
Mind that the excerpt is from a book published in 1852, which is 154 years after the original account. Hence the last paragraph above.

Maps with Tahuglauk and/or Mozeemlek

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Just like I said above, from what we know, neither Tahuglauk nor Mozeemlek were ever found. Of course, the Lord Lieutenant of the French Colony at Placentia in Newfoundland, was later accused of recording made up stories: Fictitious Discoveries in America. Somewhat similar to the other cases: Tartary, Africa, North America, etc.

As usually, I prefer to consider the original sources, before I do our contemporary ones. Somehow, I have very little trust in the dogmatic teachings of today.

There are a few examples of Native Americans looking somewhat different from what we are used to. At least on some of the images. One of them would be Chief Tecumseh.

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A myth, or a rumor, or a legend (or whatever you wanna call it) covering the topic of the white Native Americans (both Americas) has been around for a while. I don't think it was ever officially confirmed. But if we imagine for a split second that there was any truth to it, we will probably come up with a reasonable question: where are they? Well... I don't know. Could they be here?
  • why would new "colonists" want the world to know that there was a whole bunch of white people killed in the process of advancing (conquering) to the West? We know that "settlers" fought against Native Americans in the process of moving West, we have drawings, sketches, engravings, documents, books, memoirs as proof. Clint Eastwood-like movies ingrained an image of an average Native American for generations to come. But what if this land was already inhabited by a multi-racial local civilization?... or not so local?
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A while ago I saved the below image representing the advancement of the North American newcomers to the west. Might as well use it now.

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Columbus set foot on Hispaniola in 1492. Cortez overthrew the entire Aztec Empire by 1521. Pizarro conquered Peru and defeated Incas by 1535. Yet the North American settlers barely made it to the Mississippi river by 1820. 300 year difference is bizarre. Did North American natives have better defensive equipment? Well, may be they did. May be they had an army to defend themselves. The one we will never be told about. (fyi - I know the official version. I just find it hard to believe.)
  • is there any official historian out there taking into consideration the possible transformation of the continents? Of course not, because there is no such official theory. We are used to thinking that ancient cartographers were fantasy artists of their time. After all, why would they care about an accurate representation of this planet on their maps? Yet if there was such a thing as global cataclysm of this magnitude, the re-balancing of the world powers would be inevitable.
Additional resources on Tahuglauk and Mozeemlek

Various dates: Google Search Link
1806 - Philadelphia Medical and Physical Journal, Volume 2
1812 - A General Collection of the Best and Most Interesting Voyages, Volume 13
1851 - The Senate of the United States - Special Session - Volume 2
1852 - Exploration and Survey of the Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah
1873 - The Canadian Journal of Science, Literature and History, Volume 13
Contemporary research: The Mysterious 1688 Journey of M. Lahontan
Contemporary bashing: Fictitious Discoveries in America
Other used names: Tahuglauk = Tahugluck, Mozeemlek = Moozemleck = Moosemlek.

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Tahuglauk wear their beards two fingers' breadth long; that their garments reach down to their knees; that they cover their heads with a sharp-pointed cap; that they always wear a long stick or cane in their hands, which is tipped, not unlike what we use in Europe; that they wear a sort of boot upon their legs which reach up to their knee; that their women never show themselves, which perhaps proceeds from the same principle that prevails in Italy and Spain
wow! thats very close to what the tartarians looked like!
 

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Very interesting piece of information! Good observation of the differences in the official timeline of conquering between North America and South America. Could that sharp-pointed cap be a phrygian cap? The Dacian garments from Trajan column in Rome reach down to their knees too. In fact it were traditional romanian clothes untill less than a hundred years ago and I saw them in India also. Nicolae Miulescu has a book, "Daksha, god's country" in which shows identical words or concepts between Romanian and Sanskrit. For example, there is a town, Deva, in Hunedoara county from Romania and "deva" in sanskrit is "god". "Sat" in romanian means village, the smallest form of existence together, and "sat" in sanskrit is "pure existence". There are three rivers called Crish in Romania, Crișul Alb (The White Crish), Crișul Negru (The Black Crish) and Crișul Repede (The Fast Crish) and together with a very old sanskrit word, "na" give us the name of Krishna god; "ul" ("u" in old Romanian) or "a" after a word in Romanian is "the" before a word in English.

Official romanian historians make fun of Nicolae Densușianu who, in "Dacia preistorică" ( The prehistoric Dacia), says that the Europe was inhabited by a single people after the last ice age, the pelasgs. In Romania there are highly deteriorated sphinxes, but one of them is better preserved in Bucegi Mountains, near a peak called "vârful Omu", "om" in Romanian means human beeing, either man or woman. "Aum" from sanskrit hears identical in pronunciacion. In old Romanian a wife when reffered to her husband used the phrase "omu meu" ( my man), so the old srense was "man".

Sorry for the typings, my English is not so good and I am on a tablet!
 

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From The Making of the Slavs: " This is a review of the book The Making of the Slavs [1], written by prof. dr. Florin Curta, for which he received Herbert Baxter Adams Prize of the American Historical Association for the year 2002. This award is offered for a distinguished first book by a young scholar in the field of European history.
Florin Curta is an Associate Professor of Medieval History and Archaeology at the University of Florida. He studied History-Philosophy at the University of Bucharest, Medieval Studies at Cornell University (Ithaca) and received his Ph. D. in History at Western Michigan University (Kalamazoo). He also worked as an archaeologist performing field surveys and excavations with the Institute of Archaeology "Vasile Pârvan" (Bucharest). Prof. Curta wrote numerous articles and several books focused on southeastern Europe (more information is available his website: Florin Curta 5.2.2008). His achievements in both history and archaeology, presented in his comprehensive book, offer a new methodological approach to southeastern Europe in the Early Middle Age. As an excellent basis for further research, this book merits our sincere affirmation".

Looks like the "slavs" is an other name for the old scythians. One of the first sources of the history of the firsts slavs was Procopius, who was with Belisarius in the Justinian wars. He made a mention of a strenghtening of Topeiros fortifications after was robbed by "sclavenes" in 550. Jordanes wrote that "venethi" were called "sclavenes" or "antes". Topeiros was 14 kilometers ( less than 10 miles) west from Xanthi, between Xanthi and Kavala, Kavala beeing a harbour at Egeean Sea in Northern Greece. As less than three hundred years before, in 271, the emperor Aurelian abandoned the Dacia, could be the dacians whith the scythians who attacked Topeiros? Before so called "slavs settlement", so called "daco-romans" lived both north and south of the Danube.

In 1557 Hieronymus Wolf publish "Corpus Historiae Byzantinae" in which, for the first time, we met the word "byzantin"! The latin citizens called their country Imperium Romanorum and the greek citizens called their country Basileia ton Rhomaion, why would use today historians an invented term?! Who financed Hieronymus Wolf? It was Anton Fugger who made him librarian at Fugger Library in Augsburg in 1551! The Fugger family is the family who replaced de Medici family, taking their assets and influence! So called "ancient history" looks like a late medieval forgery! During medieval age the Romanians from today were called Vlachs and the last vlach school in Greece was closed after 1900!

What if the medieval and ancient history were invented in order to eradicate the memory of a destroyed civilization on planetary scale just a three-four hundreds years ago?
 
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What if the medieval and ancient history were invented in order to eradicate the memory of a destroyed civilization on planetary scale just a three-four hundreds years ago?
Well, actually this is what I was saying all this time :)
The implementation process is what in question really.
 
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just thought something interesting: what if pointed hats were ether accumulators? they would glow with st. elm fire (air ionization)
Everything is possible hypothetically. Facts is what we are lacking here as far as hats go. The actual people are missing....
 

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Well, actually this is what I was saying all this time :)
The implementation process is what in question really.
For the implementation process we need a physics which is not available anymore! The first edition, and only the first, of the James Clerk Maxwell treatise has twenty one equations written in quaternions! Today the students are teached only four, written in vectors! The liers say that it is a simplification! It is not. Why? Because a quaternion has an imaginary part, it is a tridimensional complex number: ai+bj+ck, where a, b and c belongs to real numbers and i, j and k are square roots of minus one. In Romania, I have learned about bidimensional complex numbers a+bi in the eight grade. When I asked a girl who finished a math faculty at a university from Romania what she was told about quaternions, she answered: "Nothing, except that they are and some properties"!

From where did we know that the square root of minus one, i, has any meaning in universe? The nature shows us its importance, for example, in the theory of multi-phase systems:"Between 1992 and 1995, New York State Electric & Gas operated a 1.5Mi. converted double-circuit 3-phase 115KV transmission line as a 93KV 6-phase transmission line. The primary result was that it is economically favorable to operate an existing double-circuit 115KV 3-phase line as a 6-phase line for distances greater than 23-28 miles.[2]

Multi-phase power generation designs with 5, 7, 9, 12, and 15 phases in conjunction with multi-phase induction generators (MPIGs) driven by wind turbines have been proposed. An induction generator produces electrical power when its rotor is turned faster than the synchronous speed. A multi-phase induction generator has more poles, and therefore a lower synchronous speed. Since the rotation speed of a wind turbine may be too slow for a substantial portion of its operation to generate single-phase or even three-phase AC power, higher phase orders allow the system to capture a larger portion of the rotational energy as electric power" (Polyphase system).

What if the so called "astral plane" of the occultists has something to do with the quaternions? There are coils like, for example, caduceus coils who show very interesting properties when studied. If quaternions would have been allowed in physics, the relativity hoax would not have been possible and today we could have shops who sell Ernetti chronovisors at the corner of the street! But the peoples who talk with the deads cannot be ensdlaved! A device who shows images and sounds from the frequencies of the so called "dead" peoples will eradicate the fear of death and the world will looks in a very different way!
 
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I am not going to pretend that I understood everything you wrote above, but the general idea is pretty clear.

I do not think that people at our level truly know what level of technology is really available to the chosen few.

Let’s try to get back on track, technology is not really in question within this topic. It’s more about the missing nations of T and M.
 

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Sorry, taken by the wave! Back on topic, I think that those catholic monks who wrote in seventeen or eighteen century so called ancient history deliberately gave four or five names to the same people, along the created centuries, in order to cover the existence of one more advanced civilization.

The white tribes from America is a huge finding, when more people will start to realize that the old maps are not phantasies they will start to ask questions!
 
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An interesting description to the above 1772 map, "A truly remarkable 1772 map of North America by Robert de Vaugondy. Based upon an earlier map of the region by Thomas Engel, this is a fascinating examination of the general layout and waterways of North America – especially in the west. Curiously does not specifically show a Northwest Passage, but leaves clear the possibility that one such passage may indeed exist.

Rivers and lakes extending from the eastern part of the continent almost, but never quite meet their counterparts from the west. While the east is displayed with reasonable accuracy, the cartography of the western part of North America is almost entirely conjectural and based upon early reports from Jesuit missionaries. Six largely mythical river systems extend inland from the Pacific or, as it appears on this map, “Mer du Sud”. Several meet with enormous and interesting mythical lakes. The northern most of these is Lake Conibas, the center of a supposed lake region that first appeared in Mercator’s 1569 map of America. Mercator’s version of Conibas been loosely interpreted, depending upon the source, as the Northwest Passage, the Hudson Bay, or the first map of the Great Lakes.

Vaugondy situates this region is further west, making it the source of several river systems and a potential station in a “northwest passage”. Another lake, further south is labeled the “L. des Tahuglauks”. This lake, which is shown as the source of the mythical “River of the West”, was first reported by the French traveler Baron de Lahonton, who claimed to have traveled in this area in 1702. After traveling westward along what he called the “R. Longue”, which is shown, he claims to have arrived at the city of Moseemlek. There the local tribal peoples reported the existence of a large salt water lake to the west, possibly an early report of Great Salt Lake. Back in France, De L’Isle added the lake to his map of North America and, later, Vaugondy included it on this map.

There are also a number of interesting political features. The region that roughly corresponds to modern Alaska is labeled Anian Regnum . Here is a real cartographic curiosity, where myth become fact, which again becomes myth. Anian is a term derived from the journals of Marco Polo and its first cartographic appearance is in a 1561 map by the Venetian cartographer Bolognini Zaltieri. Later it was popularized in a John Donne poem, “Anyan if I go west by the North-West passage.” However, it was interpreted as the Bering Strait by cartographers, successfully transitioning it from the realms of poetry into cartography. Anian presupposed the existence of a Northwest Passage and, as such, was entirely mythical, though the lands that are now Alaska long bore that name. Further south we find “Grand Quivira” referencing one of the many mythical Kingdoms of Gold. Much of the west is labeled “Allies des Sioux”, an idea mostly probably derived from Jesuit missionary reports.

Greenland is shown attached to the mainland. All in all, an extremely attractive and important late 18th century mapping of North America."
 

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I think you are on to something- in a different thread, you suggested that the sea level rose because earlier maps show a greater land mass of N A than what we see now a days. I wonder if anyone has done any searching in the waters off the west coast like they have around Cuba and the Bahamas.
 

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wow! thats very close to what the tartarians looked like!
wow! thats very close to what the tartarians looked like!
This got me thinking! What if Tartary colonized America via the Land bridge hundreds of years before Columbus. We basically have two civilizations; Western Civ (Europe, Rome, etc) And Eastern Civ (Tartary, India, China conglomerate). Eastern Civ expands EAST to America. The Native American tribes would then be of mixed race. Funny that the western Civ explorers called native Americans INDIANS!
This got me thinking about the whole Napoleon/Alexander thing. They were friends, and very fond of one another (rumors are that they were TOO fond) so what if Alexander was the ruler of not what we think of as Russia today but a very modest and medium sized kingdom on the far western border of Russia where it borders Europe. The two are FRIENDS. They agree to team up together to take over Tartary. These guys wanted to follow in the steps of Alexander and stand up to Gog and Magog. So they go in with the aid of a Deity who has it out for Tartary. Alexander and his “RUSH-INS” roll in and take over and occupy all the existing building and destroy what they don’t want. What doesn Napoleon get? Rights to half of the American continent that’s occupied by mixed race Tatrtans....

How else would the French have half a continent to sell to Jefferson? Why wouldn’t it have been explored from the time of Columbus? 300 years without being settled when the Spanish raced through the southern continent? It had to have been settled; there was a race of advanced beings in the west.

P.s. I don’t remember where but I heard a story as a child that the Mormons weee told to search for a city of the ancients to settle upon. Of course this isn’t in the books but, they did end up in SLC and I heard years ago they found ancient ruins etc. funny how you mention it here after all these years and better yet they could still be using these buildings today!
 
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A few notable points:
In the last couple of days I have been able to look at many more N.A. maps in addition to the Grand Tartaryah Far East maps.
Of course, we know that North American history, especially W. Canada, is notoriously full of holes or entirely missing. What we do have though is wide ranging historical accounts, all which were verbal and are now on record, of native history, traditions and practices and especially on the West Coast of both Canada and the USA as well as Mexico.
It is full of references to 'indians', rather natives, who do not fit either the image of Hollyweird or the record of the Jesuits but, rather; that image which is slowly taking shape here and elsewhere.
I digress in noting that the Rosa chinensis species is, of course, native to China, and; like all wild roses is found to be actually 'native' in one place, only, in this case in the Far East portion of the Northern Hemisphere. A place known at one time as Tartaryah. That is; specific to mainland China, Korea AND Russia.
There are many species of wild rose populating fairly wide distribution areas but still localized generally because of growing conditions. There is usually some overlap. None has a wider distribution than Rosa canina which extends throughout the northern hemisphere and has even been transplanted and made indigenous to the southern hemisphere; especially Chile. Note: Rosa genus, and much of the Rosaceae family, is 'native' only to the N. Hemisphere.
Canada has around 20 wild roses. Ontario, where I live, has 12 of those. 6 are found within a mile of my house in one area of 60 hectares. So, we see that you can have just one rose in an area of wide range or several species in an area of very, very small range.
Notably, that last range noted was traversed by thousands of canoes per annum for untold numbers of centuries on trips extending for hundreds to thousands of miles. Many tribes of natives and many nationalities including Scots, Irish, French, English and even Russian voyageurs.
Bearing all of that in mind it caused me to think closely and clearly about Rosa chinensis because it is not only found in China, Korea and Russia but also in Alaska, B.C., and, California along with a dozen or so indigenous and wild rose species native to the W. Coast of North America.
Is anybody still with me? Does anybody see where I am going?
Certainly, having looked at all wild rose species around the planet there are just a few that really stood out for their transiency. Not even Rosa canina more than Rosa chinensis because Rosa chinensis tells me that certainly it was carried across the Bering strait land bridge intentionally by humans to plant as they knew it to be a survival and starvation food capable of assisting in the survival, in almost any climate no matter how extreme, for both transient humans and domesticated animals like horse and dogs but also, particulary, food animals from ducks and geese to goats and sheep which accompanied the foremost horsemen and women in the world; the Tartarians.
Now, some might call that all very presumptuous, and indeed it is, but, when you combine all of that with what I just learned in the last 24 hours, NOT including the story above about the Great Salt Lake Indians which is absolutely incredible but absolutely believable, it pretty well clinches things in a way that even the so-called 'scientists' who study ethnographic migration cannot compete with. Otherwise they would already be all over the Tartaryah issue but are not.
Tell me that you have actually read this far and I will tell you what I learned most recently on the subject of Tartaryah in Canada before the US stole Alaska from Russia by hijacking that empire through black op revolutions and murders.
That Tartaryah also held the Western US for centuries before the US declaration of independence is not just likely. The fascinating story, above, by Korben Dallas may be challenged but I will back it up again and again as we move forward from today. 'The forgotten people of Tahuglauk and Mozeemlek' shall be forgotten no more. Just as their 500,000,000 brethren killed by the Conquistadors and others under the sway of the Church will not be forgotten. Likewise the Haida, the Squamish and many more, who even today fight for their land against wicked oppressors, rapists and murderers, shall be never forgotten again so long as the earth continues to breath.
 

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