World population: where are the missing trillions of people?

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For Britain in all historical accounts read "City of London" and things start to make sense, at least for me.
The single problem with all population figures be they ancient, old or contemporary they are guesses buit on guesses.
 
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Oh, I dunno. Just reboot the world every few hundred years, or even every few thousand, and that takes care of the population problem. It's disposing of all the bodies that I'm wondering about. Were they just dumped in the rivers and washed out to sea? Burned in fires?
 

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I apologize I know it’s unpleasant thought but maybe some cannibalism as well
History is replete with tales of cannibalism. When the Spaniards came to South America in the later part of the 1400's, quite a few of them were eaten.
Some tribes in N. America like the Mohawk (which literally means man-eater) would give their prisoners a choice: be eaten (some sort of "honor", I think) or go through their gauntlet and, if you survived, be accepted into the tribe. Several other tribes (none of which exist at all today) were purely cannibalistic. During the many, many times of famine in various places of the world, cannibalism has been resorted to.
Then there were the cultures that engaged in ritual human sacrifice. It's a marvel to me that with this kind of history humankind has made it this far.
 

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How long ago was the Great Biblical Flood?
Was browsing through some random 19th century family pictures provided by the Google Images search. And you can see for yourself that families were predominantly pretty big. I do understand that through out time there were wars, epidemics, volcano eruptions, floods, birth deaths, hurricanes, and all other sorts of things. All those things, supposedly, reduced the life span of those individuals who lived in the past. That is according to our dogmatic way of thinking. In reality it appears that we do not really know what the reality had looked like.

So, undeniably, there were some big families back then. I guess at the time their parents were not really worried about paying their kids through college, and all other responsibilities of today.

A thought of Noah crossed my mind. Scholarly consensus sees Moses as a legendary figure and not a historical person. Rabbinic Judaism calculated a lifespan of Moses corresponding to 13911271 BC; Jerome gives 1592 BC, and James Ussher 1571 BC as his birth year.

Basically we have at least 1300 year before Christ, and 2018 after. So, roughly 3,300 years.

I will just "play" with the bible story, because it is something easy to work with. We have a time frame and an exact number of people who survived the Great Flood. Those people were:
  • Noah with wife
  • Shem with wife
  • Ham with wife
  • Japheth with wife
For the sake of my little experiment, I will consider that only younger generations can have children. I also will not consider that they had some ridiculously long life spans.

The below count is not going to be tremendously accurate. The Excel table was put together pretty quickly, and I oversimplified it, vs. making it overcomplicated.

The table is attached. You can download it and do with it whatever you are pleased. You can modify it and have parents live longer, or whatever.

What I did in the Excel table.
  • Parents can have children only within the set step (I will use 30 years) - column 1
  • Both parents die at the age equal to the column 1 set parameter
  • Column 2 is number of families - assumption one male/one female
  • Column 3 is number of children per family - I will have 3 children per family
  • Column 4 is the total number of children (future parents)
  • Column 5 is the total population of the Earth
If you choose to update the table, and bring the parents over into a separate column, and have them live longer than the set step, the population number is going to be greater.

So I start with 3 fertile families of 2 people in each (Noah's son + wife) x 3 = 3 families
Each family will have 3 children. These 3 children per family will continue throughout the entire count.
Parents will die at the age of 30 years old.


First of all, everything is a rough and hypothetical assumption here. I chose 3, because it appears to be a fair number when taken into consideration are: wars, epidemics, volcano eruptions, floods, birth deaths, hurricanes, etc. I think 3 is pretty conservative.

The Great Flood was 1530 years ago?

The world population today is (supposedly) 7.6 billions of people. How long ago was the Biblical Flood if we use my little excel table calculations?

And the answer is 1530 years ago. Because if it happened any earlier then that we will end up with the following population numbers:


  • 2010 years ago - 5 trillions of people
  • 2400 years ago - 978 trillions
  • 2700 years ago - 56 quadrillions
  • 3000 years ago - 3 quintillions
  • 3900 years ago - 623 sextillions
  • 3960 years ago - 1.4 septillions

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Question: where are the people, and when was the Great Biblical Flood?

P.S. Once, again, please feel free to correct my excel table. I am not sure I like the numbers it produced.

NOTE: forum member mythstifieD created his own, more sophisticated, version of the population excel spreadsheet - File #2 below. Detailed explanation can be found here.

NOTE #2: special thank you goes to @MoonWatcher for creating a video demonstration (youtube vid above) of the puzzling population growth rate we experience.
Watched a video where they were playing around with population figures and they used this website to do the calculations
Human Population Calculator
 

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I found a video explaining the lost US Census of 1890:
So the official explanation is "mismanagement".

Building 7 had offices of the SEC, FBI, CIA, NSA among others, contained tons of information on corporate fraud that would put Enron to shame, and remember the missing $2.6 trillion? The offices that were destroyed by the Pentagon missile strike made sure all those auditors had nothing to go on.

The circus goes on.
 

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Watched a video where they were playing around with population figures and they used this website to do the calculations
Human Population Calculator

People go on about white genocide etc. on Youtube. But what it really is, is technological man genocide whether white or yellow or any colour of population with high technology.

The reason I say this is that the Amish population of America are absolutely exploding.
List of U.S. states by Amish population - Wikipedia

According to this article, in over 200 years they will have the same numbers of the present day population of America if the current growth figure continues (base pop around 400k today). Why the Amish Population Is Exploding - CityLab

They have an average child birth rate of 7 (not including twins)! on the other side of the spectrum the populations of technological societies have literally been imploding since the 70s.

Ofc, today's growth rates aren't tomorrow's, but if current trends continue, in a couple of centuries the industrial revolution will be seen as a mere temporary failed experiment lol.

I expect the future to be Amish, Meso christian and islamic based on current trends. The first two for the Americas and the latter for Europe, the middle east and parts of Africa and Asia.
 

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People go on about white genocide etc. on Youtube. But what it really is, is technological man genocide whether white or yellow or any colour of population with high technology.

The reason I say this is that the Amish population of America are absolutely exploding.
List of U.S. states by Amish population - Wikipedia

According to this article, in over 200 years they will have the same numbers of the present day population of America if the current growth figure continues (base pop around 400k today). Why the Amish Population Is Exploding - CityLab

They have an average child birth rate of 7 (not including twins)! on the other side of the spectrum the populations of technological societies have literally been imploding since the 70s.

Ofc, today's growth rates aren't tomorrow's, but if current trends continue, in a couple of centuries the industrial revolution will be seen as a mere temporary failed experiment lol.

I expect the future to be Amish, Meso christian and islamic based on current trends. The first two for the Americas and the latter for Europe, the middle east and parts of Africa and Asia.
Have you factored the growth in Elvis impersonators into your calculations? If trends from the 1950's continue by the 23rd century the population is going to consist of Amish Elvis impersonators
 
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They have an average child birth rate of 7 (not including twins)! on the other side of the spectrum the populations of technological societies have literally been imploding since the 70s.
In other words those working the land using their hands and 18th century technology end up with a lot of children. Interesting.
 

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I think when working the land, you have to have a lot of children. You need all the help you can get but with 18th century lifestyle you also lose a lot of the litter to farm accidents, diseases for which no medicines existed, drownings, routine famines, hypothermia, wild animal attacks, misidentified wild foods, thrown or kicked by horses, major infections from minor cuts, etc.

We have some Amish groups in our area and their offshoot, the Mennonites (a little more lax on the technology restrictions). They teach prepping classes which people are really getting into lately. I think a lot of people feel the reset coming on.
 

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I think when working the land, you have to have a lot of children. You need all the help you can get but with 18th century lifestyle you also lose a lot of the litter to farm accidents, diseases for which no medicines existed, drownings, routine famines, hypothermia, wild animal attacks, misidentified wild foods, thrown or kicked by horses, major infections from minor cuts, etc.
I'll lay odds that those of the 18th century had more of a connection to nature than we in 'our century' realise. Going back through the pay per trail of my family genealogy only got me back into the late 1700's but although there were deaths at young ages throughout all the family lines i traced there were also many instances of very long, very full live. Trouble is we can only look into their present from the filter of our passed.
 

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People go on about white genocide etc. on Youtube. But what it really is, is technological man genocide whether white or yellow or any colour of population with high technology.

The reason I say this is that the Amish population of America are absolutely exploding.
List of U.S. states by Amish population - Wikipedia

According to this article, in over 200 years they will have the same numbers of the present day population of America if the current growth figure continues (base pop around 400k today). Why the Amish Population Is Exploding - CityLab

They have an average child birth rate of 7 (not including twins)! on the other side of the spectrum the populations of technological societies have literally been imploding since the 70s.

Ofc, today's growth rates aren't tomorrow's, but if current trends continue, in a couple of centuries the industrial revolution will be seen as a mere temporary failed experiment lol.

I expect the future to be Amish, Meso christian and islamic based on current trends. The first two for the Americas and the latter for Europe, the middle east and parts of Africa and Asia.
Okay so I have a second cottage home in Amish country and I can’t tell you that there is massive inbreeding in their communities. No joke (serious as a heart attack) the Amish men go to local bars and solicit the English men (their term for non Amish) to have sex with their women (like how some of the hassidic jews do with a hole in the bed sheet lol) I have legitimately witnessed them asking men and offering them cash for their semen services (idk what else to call it) Now how much of this population growth is actual able bodied men and women is what I wonder? Now I’m not trying to be mean but this is the TRUTH; the Amish rape the land and when all natural resources have been depleted they just move on to new land and repeat ... that bothers me.

So I honestly hope that doesn’t happen. Our plane(t) has been raped enough already, let’s take care of her, stop abusing her and maybe, just maybe she won’t throw a cataclysmic tantrum and kill us all over again and again 🤷‍♀️
 

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I'll lay odds that those of the 18th century had more of a connection to nature than we in 'our century' realise. Going back through the pay per trail of my family genealogy only got me back into the late 1700's but although there were deaths at young ages throughout all the family lines i traced there were also many instances of very long, very full live. Trouble is we can only look into their present from the filter of our passed.
I traced my genealogy back to the 1200's and got bored with searching. It gets a bit confusing in places, especially when sons have the same names as their fathers (common practice).

Was reading about Field Marshal Soworow (1700's) and how he met with the Cham of Tartary. Apparently the elderly Cham married a 16 year old slave girl that was purchased as a gift for him and lived to be 108 years old-almost as long as Atilla the Hun. (Doesn't say whether the 16 year-old girl killed herself after being sold like a commodity and having to sleep with a 108 year old man. Ewww.)

I take genealogies with a huge pinch of salt. They MAY tell you about inheritance lines but probably not as much as we think they do about blood lines. People had all kinds of strange family practices. Aristocrats adopted street urchins (or probably their bastard spawn) and raised them with the family name. Surrogates were employed (Sarah with her handmaid, et al). Bastard and orphan children from wars. Rapes. Infidelities. The list goes on. Following a patrilineal line never made any sense to me for those reason. You can't be certain who the father is but you can be certain who the mother is.

As for all the missing people, there are quite a few stories (with documentation) of entire towns, villages, cities being wiped out with plagues or earthquakes/tsunamis. There have been constant wars and frequent famines, ritual sacrifice, cannibalism. Generally, people being horrible to one another and killing each other off. Throw mother nature into the mix and that hormonally deranged wench can wipe out us puny humans on a massive scale (and still does).
 

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There have also been quite a few mass graves found even as recently as 2018. Some of the "mass" graves hold only 5-25 skeletons but some have been found to hold thousands. Just googling 'mass graves' will pull up pages and pages of different sites.
6,000 skeletons in Iraq mass grave
Nov 6, 2018 - Investigators have found 202 mass graves in Iraq, a grisly reminder of the Islamic State's terror-based control of large parts of that country.
The Rwandan Hutu are said to have killed about 800,000 Tutsi in 100 days. There are (so far) 20,000 mass graves holding 1.5 million Cambodians killed during the Khmer Rouge regime. There will, undoubtedly, be killing field deniers. Democide has been responsible for a staggering amount of deaths and certain blood-thirsty individuals have been especially effective in their murderous campaigns. Vlad the Impaler (and his army) were responsible for 40,000 Turkish deaths. Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Mussolini, Pot Pol, Lenin. About 10 million died (allegedly) in the Congo under Leopold II control. History is replete with these stories and, while we may not believe all of them or the number of deaths ascribed to certain dictators, it's undeniable that SOMETHING happened to a large portion of the worlds population.

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Okay so I have a second cottage home in Amish country and I can’t tell you that there is massive inbreeding in their communities. No joke (serious as a heart attack) the Amish men go to local bars and solicit the English men (their term for non Amish) to have sex with their women (like how some of the hassidic jews do with a hole in the bed sheet lol) I have legitimately witnessed them asking men and offering them cash for their semen services (idk what else to call it) Now how much of this population growth is actual able bodied men and women is what I wonder? Now I’m not trying to be mean but this is the TRUTH; the Amish rape the land and when all natural resources have been depleted they just move on to new land and repeat ... that bothers me.

So I honestly hope that doesn’t happen. Our plane(t) has been raped enough already, let’s take care of her, stop abusing her and maybe, just maybe she won’t throw a cataclysmic tantrum and kill us all over again and again 🤷‍♀️
If this has a relevant point, please let me know.

Just looks like ad hominem from someone with a grudge to me.

I don't know that much about it, of it is somehow relevant please share here

If it is not relevant, then please reply to the PM I sent asking for clarification.

Slandering groups of people without evidence is something that bothers me. I am open to hearing the evidence, but I doubt it has a place in this thread.
 

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