I read a coupla years ago that 1/3 of all of Mexico is now in the U.S. One Third! So, they were up to carrying capacity and previous ancient numbers for their population-they're just evacuating.The 2016 population of Mexico City, based on government figures, is 8,918,653.
Half the carrying capacity.
I like how Cortes saysI'm very interested that Cortez spelled it specifically temix titan.
Never mind that he just got there. Where did the mosques come from? The link to this text is below the images. A very interesting piece of reading it is.There are in it, Sire, very wonderful houses, and mosques, and very large, and well built, oratories; it has also extensive market places.
I like how Cortes says
Never mind that he just got there. Where did the mosques come from? The link to this text is below the images. A very interesting piece of reading it is.
- Letters of Cortes: The Five Letters of Relation from Fernando Cortes
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When we saw so many cities and villages built in the water and other great towns on dry land we were amazed and said that it was like the enchantments (...) on account of the great towers and cues and buildings rising from the water, and all built of masonry. And some of our soldiers even asked whether the things that we saw were not a dream? (...) I do not know how to describe it, seeing things as we did that had never been heard of or seen before, not even dreamed about.
— Bernal Díaz del Castillo, The Conquest of New Spain
There were three main streets that crossed the city, each leading to one of the three causeways to the mainland of Tepeyac, Ixtapalpa, and Tlacopan. Bernal Díaz del Castillo reported that they were wide enough for ten horses. Surrounding the raised causeways were artificial floating gardens with canal waterways and gardens of plants, shrubs, and trees.
there was also a main marketplace in Tlatelolco – Tenochtitlan's sister city. Cortés estimated it was twice the size of the city of Salamanca with about 60,000 people trading daily. Bernardino de Sahagúnprovides a more conservative population estimate of 20,000 on ordinary days and 40,000 on feast days.
Outside was the palace of Moctezuma with 100 rooms, each with its own bath
Sorry for this Wiki Spam but it give us a quick view at how advanced they were and strangely how this crazy map of 1520 could be maybe in good part accurate.The palace of Montezuma II also had two houses or zoos, one for birds of prey and another for other birds, reptiles, and mammals. About 300 people were dedicated to the care of the animals.
There was also a botanical garden and an aquarium. The aquarium had ten ponds of salt water and ten ponds of fresh water, containing various fish and aquatic birds.
I think so yep, but wait , on a salt lake ? really ... i dont know but it sounds odd to me..can we really make normal crops on a floating garden on a salt lake?If this was a salt lake city, they would have definitely needed an aqueduct for fresh water before Cortes arrived.
Ah ok, in all simplicity guys let's just make a 16 km levee to cut the lake in two to avoid salted waters to come in and rules over the annoying innondations...of course made in woods, plants and compacted clay...I am missing something here...Lake Texcoco was brackish. During the reign of Moctezuma I, the "levee of Nezahualcoyotl" was constructed, reputedly designed by Nezahualcoyotl. Estimated to be 12 to 16 km (7.5 to 9.9 mi) in length, the levee was completed circa 1453. The levee kept fresh spring-fed water in the waters around Tenochtitlan and kept the brackish waters beyond the dike, to the east
wiki tells us they build a first aqueduct to the springs made of compact clay, wood and hollow wood resting on artificial mud islands in 1412
they wanted to built something for temporary use ? knowing what they will achieve a few decades later..,looks weird to meErosion weathered away the compacted clay, and in 1449, heavy rains triggered a flood that destroyed the aqueduct
cool an engineer has poped
The aqueduct was constructed using wood, carved stone, and compacted soil, with portions made of hollowed logs, allowing canoes to travel underneath.
And the conquistadors came...in 1521 during the siege of the city Cortes just decide to ruin it all , like the townOnce the water reached the city, it was delivered to small reservoirs and select households through a network of canals that extended in the four cardinal directions and branched off to individual streets.
In the descriptions we can feel how they wanted to erase buildings...
to illustrate that , wiki tells us that they knew the wheel but only used it to make toys .....Ah ok i take your explanation man.....super logicExactly that. Aztecs had great architects, and had no idea that round things tend to roll.
Montezuma looked a lot more "white" or European in the first couple of pictures that were in the first post of this thread, I wonder why?
Montezuma was Indigenous/an aborigine sometimes classified as an "Amer-Moor" ( this keyword will net results of truer images of him). He was mahogany-colored. Be careful of bleached images created to fit a narrative that "natives" were actually all pale Europeans.Between July 1519 and September 1526, Hernando Cortés (1485-1547), the soldier and adventurer who in 1519-21 conquered for Spain what is now central and southern Mexico, sent five extended letters to Emperor Charles V in which he described his exploits and placed himself and his actions in a favorable light. This book contains the first Latin edition of Cortes’s second letter. In it, Cortés gives an account of his first meeting with the Aztec emperor, Montezuma II. Dated October 30, 1520, the letter was translated from Spanish into Latin by Petrus Savorgnanus and printed in Nuremberg, Germany, in 1524. This printing also contains the first published plan of the Aztec city of Tenochtitlán (present-day Mexico City), which Cortés and his army attacked and destroyed in May 1521. Also included is an early map of the Caribbean Basin.
This printing contains the first published plan of the Aztec city of Tenochtitlán.
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Am I the only one, or in 1520 Tenochtitlan looked like a European town, considering that it was only conquered in 1521? Who built all those European looking buildings?
Source titled, "The Splendid Narrative of Ferdinand Cortes About the New Spain of the Sea and Ocean Transmitted to the Most Sacred and Invincible, Always August Charles Emperor of the Romans, King of the Spaniards in the Year of the Lord 1520: In Which is Contained Many Things Worthy of Knowledge and Admiration About the Excellent Cities of Their Provinces…Above All About the Famous City Temixtitan and Its Diverse Wonders, Which Will Wondrously Please the Reader"
Temix Titan = TenochtitlanMakes me wonder why Cortes himself would call the city Temix Titan? We all know the traditional meaning of the word Titan.
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- In Greek mythology, the Titans were members of the second generation of divine beings, descending from the primordial deities and preceding the Olympians. They ruled during the legendary Golden Age, and also comprised the first pantheon of Greek deities.
Wow, nice map.2. Tenochtitlán 1521, bit obscure map, lots of details if you zoom in.... ,This topographical map of Mexico City and its surroundings dates from around 1550, some three decades after the conquest by Spain, apparently the official narrative is that all the European style buildings on this map are constructed by the Spanish already...
The Moor angle definitely does not get explored enough.Montezuma was Indigenous/an aborigine sometimes classified as an "Amer-Moor"
Wow! Thnx for your input about the Moorish angle... I also checked out the details of the Tenochtitlán 1521 map carefully and found this on it:The Moor angle definitely does not get explored enough.
Was this originally a Moor city with mosques?
This codex appears to show Cortes traveling with a Moor.
Possibly a scholar with knowledge of the area, or his aristocratic boss.
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And is that possibly someone from the orient with him?
Columbus "discovered" America in 1592?
The sailing crew of Emperor Zhu Di is rumored to be Moors.
Ah, I see. That seems like a small population to support the construction of so many buildings. In modern times, even with millions of people living in the biggest cities, it is still hard to get funding for even the most basic projects, such as highway and road maintenance. Money--specifically, how much is needed and where to get it--and politics always get in the way. Did these issues simply not exist for people back then? The explanation usually is that it was constructed by slave labor, although no such evidence seems to exist. You'd still need a huge population base for that. One hundred thousand slaves surely wouldn't be enough for such a grand construction site. Anyway, the article provides no evidence of the total population, it merely makes an assertion. Sloppy journalism, coupled with the readers' propensity for believing any old thing they are told, results in articles like this one.However the city, built over an ancient lava flow, was probably not as densely populated, with around 100,000 people thought to have called it home at its height, between 1000 and 1350AD.
No evidence is sited for this claim. It may have happened this way, but a link to supporting evidence would have been nice. They claim evidence that the city was "desanctified." What kind of evidence? Why was it interpreted that way? More sloppy journalism. I know this is the Daily Mail we're talking about, but I've seen this sort of thing at other news sites, too. Lots of claims, no evidence given. And because it's a respectable news site, or because it made it into the news at all, everyone accepts it as the absolute truth!Sometime in the 1530s, Europeans discovered these cities and brought new diseases that killed an estimated nine out of 10 people of the city’s residents within a generation, Professor Fisher said.
There is evidence that the cities’ remaining residents ritually de-sanctified their religious sites before abandoning them, which were subsequently forgotten and hidden by dense tropical forests.
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