Wars of 1812: Russia vs. France, United States vs United Kingdom, and Co

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There was a whole bunch of wars around the same time. Anyone else thinks that global powers were fighting it out, and the former regime lost?

I come to think that all those wars were one and the same, with somewhat of a spread out in time to make it look more natural.

Coincidentally, these are the same times when the whole world was supposed to be building. Yet the whole world was fighting.
 

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There was a whole bunch of wars around the same time. Anyone else thinks that global powers were fighting it out, and the former regime lost?

I come to think that all those wars were one and the same, with somewhat spread out in time to make it look more natural.

Coincidentally, these are the same times when the whole world was supposed to be building. Yet the whole world was fighting.
i find that weird too, its almost as if everyone sundelly realized, how problematic the world was and started fighting it
 
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i find that weird too, its almost as if everyone sundelly realized, how problematic the world was and started fighting it
So much info about wars, and none about worldwide construction efforts happening simultaneously.

Armies participating were unbelievably huge. Napoleon had like 600,000 people. Hard to imagine what kind of supply infrastructure there had to be in place to feed that many people, and quite a few horses for so long.
 

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So much info about wars, and none about worldwide construction efforts happening simultaneously.

Armies participating were unbelievably huge. Napoleon had like 600,000 people. Hard to imagine what kind of supply infrastructure there had to be in place to feed that many people, and quite a few horses for so long.
wow i never thought about that!
it was already hard for hitler
 
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I have read an opinion that, that real population of this planet in the early 19th century was 80-200 bln people. That would support all the ridiculous army numbers we meet here and there. Of course, today's historians say that their counterparts from the past were exaggerating. Yet, greater numbers would explain quite a few things.
 

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There was a whole bunch of wars around the same time. Anyone else thinks that global powers were fighting it out, and the former regime lost?

I come to think that all those wars were one and the same, with somewhat of a spread out in time to make it look more natural.

Coincidentally, these are the same times when the whole world was supposed to be building. Yet the whole world was fighting.
The link for the list of wars says there is no page by that name.

I found the link. Its titled Wars of 1800-1899. I would have copieVd and paste it but i have a flip phone and dont have that option. very interesting, raises a lot of questions. 56 wars in the first 9 years. Some of the participates i never heard of
 
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I was going through some maps from a map package I had downloaded some time ago and found out a couple of interesting ones.

These are from the latter 18th century prior to this war.

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Here we have 2 different Russia shown. In the one above Russia Europe & Russia Asia and the one below Russied Europe and Tartarie Russienne.

My question here is which Russia did Napoleon attack? Everything suggests it wasn't the European Russia, but this eastern Russia. As the Czar resided in St. Petersburgh, then the parade afterwards and even the coin honoring Napoleon in the early 20th century in Russia.

Hypothesis: What if the Russian expansion to Siberia was actually the opposite and it was an expansion from Siberia / Tartary. The early 18th century wars could suggest that with all the Muscovite / Tartar activity in the area as a natural continuation to that. In the early 18th century the Steppe people influence was deep in to Europe with the Turks holding most of the Balkans and the Muscovite & Tartar offensive deep in to Finnish lands (as part of Swedish kingdom at those times). The Polish king was also against the Swedes collaborating with these people at those times. All of this would be a logical and rather straightforward explanation for those times.

A bit over 100 years later Napoleon would assist the European Russian Czar to finish them off of being a threat to Europe. The European Russia also cleared the Turks from the European lands. We must be careful who we attribute with what deeds. This would most likely be European Russia, the Romanovs & France, Napoleon vs "Eastern Russia".


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More meat to the hypothesis: As I went through the maps some more I found the earliest depiction of these 2 Russia being from the 1700. This would work rather well with the history that Peter the Great broke free from the Muscovite control of the Czars and regained Russia to form an European Muscovy / Russia and this caused the split to become Muscovite Tartary / Russia to the east. Prior to this I was not able to find maps suggesting this, just different Tartaries, but it does not mean they would not exist.

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The maps are from 1785 by Carrington Bowles and from 1790 by Johann Walch. The latest addition is titled from the 1700 by Guillaume De Isle.
 
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