Vikings and clues of Tartaria?

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I read some amazing posts about a connection between Scotland, Scythia/Tartaria and Scandinavia, and thought I'd share some info. Was Tartaria a global empire, whose history has been almost but erased?

Clue1: The flag of Tartaria is depicted with a Griffin and Harald Blåtand, the king of the "vikings", has a griffin as his symbol of rule. I will leave some links showing the griffin as

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Bornholms Regionskommune - Wikipedia, den frie encyklopædi
Skånegriffen - Wikipedia, den frie encyklopædi

Clue2: After the napolean wars, the british destroyed the navy of the kingdom of denmark/norway in 1807.

Clue3: The Scandinavians were never "vikings". In the 18 hundreds, the history of the vikings were fabricated by the cultural elite to establish a strong national bond between the people. This is not even controversial and very much mainstream knowledge, yet it's not a part of the official story. Vikings originally refer to pirates that raided monks and shores and this word was overtaken and the meaning of the word was altered.

Clue4: Taters were numerously roaming around in Denmark in 16 and 17 hundreds. The first taters officially came to Denmark from Scotland after year 1505. In 1864, taters were confirmed to be a part of the danish "blood family"

Clue5: Scandinavians had "settlements" in Greenland and America until the small ice age a few hundred years ago and our "mythology" talks about giants, called jætterne, as if they were real people and not mythical creatures.

Clue6: Tartaria is not that "huge" if you consider the possibility of sea travel across the north pole/artic ocean prior to the little ice age a few hundred years ago. Scandinavia, North America and Russia/Tartaria are very close to each other from this perspective. The distances you have to travel are at least very very short compared to crossing the atlantic ocean.

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Speculation: It seems plausible to me that this global empire was interconnected through access to the ocean and if the access to the artic ocean was suddenly limited due to the small ice age then it stands to reason that it would be a major blow to the global empire.

I don't know how all of this fits together and others can add to the picture if possible
 

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I've always had a vision of a crust movement, about 30-40 degrees, when the north pole would be somewhere like north atlantic/south pacific, or south atlantic/north pacific... that accounts for the present day arctic/antarctic circles being once green, fertile and traversable... not sure on mechanism for this but it's feasible, especially in the context of tartaria covering the (present day) northern areas..
 

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@Worsaae,

You beat me to it, I've just spent the last 3 days gathering information for a thread I was working on about the Vikings arrival in America and a Tartarian connection.. my computer crashed last night and I've lost nearly all of it :ROFLMAO:

It's all very questionable history, as we all know history will be tampered with to suit an agenda.. there's still a wealth of information in the Vinland Sagas, I'm sure with our wealth of knowledge and our superb forum we can get to the truth..


From what I gather when Leif Eriksons Icelandic Norsemen landed on American soil, they were accompanied by 8 Goths.. The ascendancy of the Goths is said to have marked the beginning of the medieval period in Europe.. who exactly are these Goths, are they an Elite Normadic family?

The Vikings had quite the reach

I find it very interesting how if you where to strip the Viking of a rough and rugged barbarian look, how Phoenician they are. Both are masters of navigation and boat building.. the Gods are all the same and I might be mistaken but I heard the Phoneicians like to sacrifice stuff too.

There's loads to say Vikings had landed on American soil before Columbus.. but very little in favour of Tartarians.

The Vinland map;
I would like to show you all the Vinland map discovered in Yale University and revealed to the world in 1965, claimed to be a 15th-century mappa mundi with unique information about Norse exploration of North America. It was bound together with a copy of 'The Tartary Relation' (can anyone locate an actual copy of that book? unfortunately I was unable to) which is a short version of the Ystoria Mongalorum, and wiki tells us it is a report, compiled by Giovanni da Pian del Carpine, of his trip to the Mongol Empire. Written in the 1240s, it is the oldest European account of the Mongols. Carpine was the first European to try to chronicle Mongol history. I dont know whether this book arrived alongside the Vinland map or found itself lost alongside thousands of other "lost" items. The map also has a river in the top right.. and it's name is Tartarata.

I will ask what this book thought it was going to achieve by going all the way to America?

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And then we have the Kensington Rune Stone;

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Found by a Swedish farmer Olof Ohman in 1889, it was found with a tree growing on top of it.. at a time Swedish immigration was in full throttle. The finding caused quite the sensation, it was sent to the Department of Germanic Languages at Northwestern University in Chicago for study, and copies of the inscription were mailed to runic experts in Scandinavia. All agreed that both language and runes were modern, not from the 1360s and the stone a sophisticated hoax. There the matter rested until 1908, when a Norwegian-born resident of Wisconsin by the name of Hjalmar Holand declared the inscription genuine and the experts wrong. Holand, who as early as 1911 wrote:

'Tartarian and runic characters have a remarkable similarity and would look alike to one who was not a specialist in either. As the Tartarian origin is out of the question and as the inscription was of neither Indian nor any known European origin, the conclusion is more than probable that this was a runic inscription'.

The inscription purports to be a record left behind by Scandinavian explorers in the 14th century dated to the year 1362

Image result for Kensington runestone

The front of the stone reads;
Eight Goths [Swedes] and twenty-two Norwegians upon
a journey of discovery from Vinland westward.
We had a camp by two skerries one
day's journey north from this stone.
We were out fishing one day. When
we returned home we found ten men red
with blood and dead. A V M [Ave, Virgo Maria],
save us from evil.

Side reads;
[We] have ten men by the sea to look after
our vessel four-teen [or forty-one?] days' journey
from this island. Year 1362.

Image result for olof kensington rune


The Newberry Tablet

This is by far the best Runestone I have seen, I'm unsure what to make of this one.. Unfortunately it has since been destroyed. Featured in an episode of America unearthed The Newberry Tablet’s authenticity, like all inscribed artifacts, is much debated. There aren't many pictures of it left today. The best pictures are in Roger Jewell’s book, “Ancient Mines of Kitchi Gummi” which is a well thought out explanation of the copper mines in the Lake Superior area and worth reading.

Newberry Tablet, photo Smithsonian

Just a few of the relics from travelers left behind in America maybe? I have come across Eygptian and Celtic stone carvings during my research on who arrived in America first, I don't think the Vikings own that crown anymore.. If the Native Indians originate from Asia, I would wager they're our American Tartarians and the exploration of new worlds was just more of the same old war.
 
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Oh, wow. That's some good finds. Your post made me go down the rabbithole even further. The phoenician angle is interesting and I've found a site of a non-mainstream guy that does a lot of research into old sources with the angle that old myths might be real. Forexample "Fimbulvinter" could refer to a historical extremely cold time period and he actually also mentions phoenicians. There is a lot of reading and I might do a post about some of his findings but I most likely wont have time before this weekend.
 

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@Worsaae,

Couldn’t the “Fimbulvinter” be witnessed in the form of The Little Ice Age the period of cooling that occurred after the Medieval Warm Period. Although it was not a true ice age, it was concentrated around the northern hemisphere and I thjnk even went as far south as London. The term “Little Ice Age” wasn’t introduced into scientific literature until 1939. The Norse colonies in Greenland had starved and vanished by the early 15th century, as crops the failed and livestock could not be maintained in the increasingly cold and harsh winters. If stories hold true Greenland was largely cut off by ice from 1410 to the 1720s.
 
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I'd like to add another clue:
Tartariae Sive Magni Chami Regni typus

"The Nephalites are named Neptali after one of the 10 tribes with a Hebrew name, and after the Danites, who by way of punishment were called the Danes of the dark North, and they were on account of the claims of Rachel Balbah placed to the side, in the area of the Hudores or Iehudeores; in the year 476 they were victorious in their battle against Perosa. Others call them incorrectly Euthalites "

And also a reference to scythians:
The Scythian ocean, according to Plinius, has sweet water, and he also says it contains many islands, as M. Paulus [Marco Polo] also says, but neither of the two tells about their number or location

So the ocean of the "vikings"/scandinavians was called the Scythian ocean
 

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Vikings originally refer to pirates that raided monks and shores and this word was overtaken and the meaning of the word was altered.
Heard of this definition, too. I suppose this bands were something like the second sons in "Game Of Thrones". Traditionally, property was not split up for heritage, but passed to the oldest son. In a country with little room left, quite an incentive for the younger one's to acquire their own by force.

I somehow got the strange feeling that fantasy epics like LOTR and GOT contain more historical facts then any history book...
 

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'The Britons [Celts]...who, carried over into Britain, it is reported, from Armorica, possessed themselves of the southern parts. When [sometime after] they had made themselves masters of the greatest part of the island beginning in the south, Picts from Scythia [the Scillies], as is reported, putting to sea in a few large ships, were driven by wind beyond the shores of Britain.....'

Apparently written by the Venerable Bede, quoted in the Farfarers.
 

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You know I never bothered to think about it all from the perspective of the Arctic ocean combined with the warmer climate of the day it's very conceivable that Tartarians would frequently go to North America but also easily get to Europe. The timing of the little ice age almost perfectly explains the sudden decline and eventual defeat of the worldwide Tartars. Now that the normal sea routes were frozen over, so called Christopher Columbus (was he real?) had to find a new route to America. John Cabot already knew the right way to get there by hugging the northern islands.

The Last Viking: Helluland, Markland and Vinland

Some theorize the Vikings were in Vancouver
 
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I'm not really sold on the idea of a global empire, perhaps an empire with the largest dominion in the world in human history but global empires have never really been feasible for any aspiring conquerors in our history for various economic and diplomatic reasons. Unless we are referring to an empire that dominates the world in the same sense that the British/Americans have indirectly established a dominion across most of the world today?
 
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Ok, I was listening to a talk by a mainstream danish geneticist called Eske Willerslev. During a 10 minutes period he indirectly verified much of what is speculated here.
It starts from around 16 minutes


and he acknowledges that some of the genetic results contradict previous mainstream theories.
I'll try to translate main points but I will leave out dates and keep the chronology instead:
- Yamnaya people (tall, white, lactose tolerant) emigrate from the euroasian steppes into Europe
- Later the sintashta people move out of northern europe and expands into asia. Even as far as mongolia. (This is the part that contradict former mainstream but is if he is to be believed confirmed by new dna results)
- It's this people that later is known as Scythians
- This people very recently dissappeared from asia/central asia. At most as recent as 1000 years ago, possibly more recently than that.

My own commentary: we've previously seen tartaria described as scythia
 

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Ok, I was listening to a talk by a mainstream danish geneticist called Eske Willerslev. During a 10 minutes period he indirectly verified much of what is speculated here.
It starts from around 16 minutes


and he acknowledges that some of the genetic results contradict previous mainstream theories.
I'll try to translate main points but I will leave out dates and keep the chronology instead:
- Yamnaya people (tall, white, lactose tolerant) emigrate from the euroasian steppes into Europe
- Later the sintashta people move out of northern europe and expands into asia. Even as far as mongolia. (This is the part that contradict former mainstream but is if he is to be believed confirmed by new dna results)
- It's this people that later is known as Scythians
- This people very recently dissappeared from asia/central asia. At most as recent as 1000 years ago, possibly more recently than that.

My own commentary: we've previously seen tartaria described as scythia
I’m planning a short post on Armenia that fits this thought. We have to remember that the names of peoples are often given to them.
 

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I read some amazing posts about a connection between Scotland, Scythia/Tartaria and Scandinavia, and thought I'd share some info. Was Tartaria a global empire, whose history has been almost but erased?

Clue1: The flag of Tartaria is depicted with a Griffin and Harald Blåtand, the king of the "vikings", has a griffin as his symbol of rule. I will leave some links showing the griffin as


Bornholms Regionskommune - Wikipedia, den frie encyklopædi
Skånegriffen - Wikipedia, den frie encyklopædi

Clue2: After the napolean wars, the british destroyed the navy of the kingdom of denmark/norway in 1807.

Clue3: The Scandinavians were never "vikings". In the 18 hundreds, the history of the vikings were fabricated by the cultural elite to establish a strong national bond between the people. This is not even controversial and very much mainstream knowledge, yet it's not a part of the official story. Vikings originally refer to pirates that raided monks and shores and this word was overtaken and the meaning of the word was altered.

Clue4: Taters were numerously roaming around in Denmark in 16 and 17 hundreds. The first taters officially came to Denmark from Scotland after year 1505. In 1864, taters were confirmed to be a part of the danish "blood family"

Clue5: Scandinavians had "settlements" in Greenland and America until the small ice age a few hundred years ago and our "mythology" talks about giants, called jætterne, as if they were real people and not mythical creatures.

Clue6: Tartaria is not that "huge" if you consider the possibility of sea travel across the north pole/artic ocean prior to the little ice age a few hundred years ago. Scandinavia, North America and Russia/Tartaria are very close to each other from this perspective. The distances you have to travel are at least very very short compared to crossing the atlantic ocean.


Speculation: It seems plausible to me that this global empire was interconnected through access to the ocean and if the access to the artic ocean was suddenly limited due to the small ice age then it stands to reason that it would be a major blow to the global empire.

I don't know how all of this fits together and others can add to the picture if possible
i dont get clue number 2, how is it a connection to tartaria

clue 3 "The Scandinavians were never "vikings""
depends on what you mean here, the varagnian settlement on on the east of the baltic was settled by vikings from the heroic age, these people were actually full time pirates
but if you mean that the whole of Scandinavia was never "vikings" then you would be right
viking has multiple meanings now so its nice to specify what one means
the Scandinavians often went "viking" as an action and also would sometimes be called vikings in the sense that a lumberjack might be called a lumberjack
"fabricated by the cultural elite" this is what i dont get, what did they fabricate specifically, there were norse people who went raiding, is that what you are saying is fabricated? or do you mean the notion that everyone in viking age scandinavia was a raider, because thats not true

clue 5 "mythology" talks about giants, called jætterne
thats a misconception, they were only giant in the same way any other god was, it was a clan name, like æsir and vanir, these clans would have marriages tween each other and some people would switch sides despite both their parents being from one side
its only in translations that the whole "giants" things is taken seriously
Jackson Crawford covers this subject
 

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Maybe in viking mythology that may be true but I think all the evidence (fairly recently) of giants/giant bones/giant implements, etc. should cause anyone to take the whole giants thing seriously.
I know people who just say, OK there were giants, what’s the big deal? (Ha. Pun not intended). They obviously aren’t thinking of the ramifications. This and chemtrails made me really start reevaluating this world.
 

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I know people who just say, OK there were giants, what’s the big deal? (Ha. Pun not intended). They obviously aren’t thinking of the ramifications. This and chemtrails made me really start reevaluating this world.
What do you see as the ramifications of there once having been a race of giants? I think it means we're what's left of that once mighty race and, not having the cranial capacity as our forebears, we can no longer hold in our tiny heads all the knowledge they had. I think it means our atmosphere has changed in the past (probably more than once) with catastrophic results for humanoid beings and could happen again. I'm interested in hearing others opinions but probably in the giants thread.
 

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What do you see as the ramifications of there once having been a race of giants? I think it means we're what's left of that once mighty race and, not having the cranial capacity as our forebears, we can no longer hold in our tiny heads all the knowledge they had. I think it means our atmosphere has changed in the past (probably more than once) with catastrophic results for humanoid beings and could happen again. I'm interested in hearing others opinions but probably in the giants thread.
Yes, fully on another thread but basically, as you said, there is so much evidence and then evidence of a big cover up, which leads to what else is buried.
 

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