Victoria, BC or BS: real history buried in 20 feet of dirt

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This little thread is a living testament that once you have seen it once, you are simply unable to unsee it. I just got back from Victoria, British Columbia, Canada. Went there with my wife to simply spend some time away from home, and to enjoy Canada Day in Canada.

It took us about 30 seconds in town to start pointing things out to each other. From the Mud Flood stand point, Victoria, BC is decently camouflaged. I did not see many buried windows I saw in Port Townsend, WA, USA.
Victoria, BC or BS?
Well, considering that the existing narrative of this Canadian city appears to have no official Mud Flood explanation, the history of the city of Victoria has to be rewritten. I understand that this is a pretty bold statement, but I fully intend to substantiate my claims. In my opinion, there are at least two additional stories buried under the sidewalks of the city of Victoria in British Columbia.

Official History
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KD: Pretty sure that if there was a catastrophic event in the history of a city, such an event would end up being well documented. The Narrative offers the following story line, which appears to be missing any events of sorts:
  • Victoria is the capital city of the Canadian province of British Columbia, located on the southern tip of Vancouver Island off Canada's Pacific coast.
  • Prior to the arrival of European navigators in the late 1700s, the Victoria area was home to several communities of Coast Salish peoples, including the Songhees. The Spanish and British took up the exploration of the northwest coast, beginning with the visits of Juan Pérez in 1774, and of James Cook in 1778. Although the Victoria area of the Strait of Juan de Fuca was not penetrated until 1790, Spanish sailors visited Esquimalt Harbour (just west of Victoria proper) in 1790, 1791, and 1792.
  • In 1841 James Douglas was charged with the duty of setting up a trading post on the southern tip of Vancouver Island, upon the recommendation by George Simpson a new more northerly post be built in case Fort Vancouver fell into American hands (see Oregon boundary dispute). Douglas founded Fort Victoria on the site of present-day Victoria in anticipation of the outcome of the Oregon Treaty in 1846, extending the British North America/United States border along the 49th parallel from the Rockies to the Strait of Georgia.
  • Erected in 1843 as a Hudson's Bay Company trading post on a site originally called Camosun (the native word was "camosack", meaning "rush of water") known briefly as "Fort Albert", the settlement was renamed Fort Victoria in November 1843, in honour of Queen Victoria. The Songhees established a village across the harbour from the fort. The Songhees' village was later moved north of Esquimalt in 1911.The crown colony was established in 1849. Between the years 1850-1854 a series of treaty agreements known as the Douglas Treaties were made with indigenous communities to purchase certain plots of land in exchange for goods.
  • When news of the discovery of gold on the British Columbia mainland reached San Francisco in 1858, Victoria became the port, supply base, and outfitting centre for miners on their way to the Fraser Canyon gold fields, mushrooming from a population of 300 to over 5000 within a few days. Victoria was incorporated as a city in 1862. In 1865, the North Pacific home of the Royal Navy was established in Esquimalt and today is Canada's Pacific coast naval base. In 1866 when the island was politically united with the mainland, Victoria was designated the capital of the new united colony instead of New Westminster – an unpopular move on the Mainland – and became the provincial capital when British Columbia joined the Canadian Confederation in 1871.
  • In the latter half of the 19th century, the Port of Victoria became one of North America's largest importers of opium, serving the opium trade from Hong Kong and distribution into North America. Opium trade was legal and unregulated until 1865, then the legislature issued licences and levied duties on its import and sale. The opium trade was banned in 1908.
  • In 1886, with the completion of the Canadian Pacific Railway, Victoria's position as the commercial centre of British Columbia was irrevocably lost to the city of Vancouver, British Columbia. The city subsequently began cultivating an image of genteel civility within its natural setting, aided by the impressions of visitors such as Rudyard Kipling, the opening of the popular Butchart Gardens in 1904 and the construction of the Empress Hotel by the Canadian Pacific Railway in 1908.
Naturally, we do not see anything out of the ordinary in this history. There appears to be no major floods or fires. To be sure we can reference the history of Flooding in Canada here:
As far as Great Fires go, things are not that straight forward. And while Wikipedia chose to omit anything pertaining to the Victoria Urban Fires, a certain Dave Obee did not.
  • July 23, 1907: The worst fire in Victoria’s history raced through several blocks, destroying just about everything in its path. It began in a blacksmith shop at Herald and Store streets, but the wind carried the flames to Government, then Douglas, then Blanshard, then Quadra. Ninety structures in nine city blocks were wiped out and about 250 people were left homeless. No lives were lost. The fire was stopped when firefighters tore down some cottages to prevent the blaze from spreading.
  • Oct. 26, 1910: A fire that started in Spencer’s department store spread to the Five Sisters Block and other structures. Many valuable old architectural records and photographs were destroyed. The fire wiped out 40 businesses in the area bounded by Government, Fort, Broad and Trounce streets.
  • Major fires in Victoria's history
If something happened in 1907-1910 and resulted in 20 feet of dirt burying the entire city, wouldn't history reflect that? It probably would, but then again, nothing is surprising any longer. Personally, I think whatever brought the dirt happened way before 1907. I'm thinking along the 1812 time frames here. Of course, officially there was no city there yet.

Interesting enough, but there was a video made shortly before the Victoria Urban Fire of 1907. This was filmed on May 4th 1907 by William Harbeck for Hales Tours of Portland for their "Scenes of the World" series. The quality is not as good as the one in the famous 1906 San Francisco footage, but we can still draw specific parallels: shoot the movie, start the "fire"...

For fun facts, search for the Victoria Crystal Palace (made out of wood) aka Willows Exhibition Building. It was destroyed in this 1907 fire.
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Pavement lights
Pavement lights (UK), vault lights (US), floor lights, or sidewalk prisms are flat-topped walk-on skylights, usually set into pavement (sidewalks) or floors to let sunlight into the space below. They often use anidolic lighting prisms to throw the light sideways under the building. They were developed in the 19th century, but declined in popularity with the advent of cheap electric lighting. Older cities and smaller centers around the world have or have had pavement lights. Most such lights are approximately a century old, although lights are being installed in some new construction.
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Victoria Pavement Lights
The existence of these "pavement lights" is one of the tell tale signs that you are in the right place. The city you are in, will definitely have either tunnels or additional levels beneath. There were hundreds of these in the city of Victoria. I photographed a couple, for they were literally everywhere.

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I don't wear pink. That's my wife's sneaker.
And, apparently, it matters not that the official history chooses not to share the info. There are always some truth seekers in the area. Unfortunately their understanding of the problem is limited, and they normally look for some "secret tunnels". Victoria is not an exception:
This video below is great: nothing to see there folks. Move along, it's just another area way...



20 feet of dirt
This is a rather bizarre feeling to walk upon the streets realizing that there are at least two additional stories beneath your feet. This stolen history of the society which we will never be told about is pretty mesmerizing.

Why am I talking about 20 feet of dirt? Well, because this is the least depth suggested by the Google Earth. Visually it looks more like 25-30, but 20 is plenty enough. I think it gets deeper once you go up the hill and away from the harbor.

Below (top of the wall) you can see the actual level of the actual city of Victoria. This is the least amount of dirt Victoria is buried in.

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I was able to find only one place where this amount of dirt manifested into a better visual representation.

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Old Victoria Post Office
At the intersection of Warf and Government streets there used to be this beautiful Post Office and Customs building below.

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At some point (I think it was in the 1950s) it was replaced with the below structure. Google Maps still shows this building in its street view.

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On 06.01.2019 this area looked like this. It appears that the older buildings had two additional stories below the ground level.

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Funny Things
Than there was this other site with a demolished older building in Victoria. I walked right by, and the area smelled like any other place in the city. As you can see, there are some things we are not supposed to smell, for they are real bad for us. BS has a very distinctive smell, and this society should avoid coming close to places where they can smell it.

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KD: At the very least, the municipal government of Victoria needs to come up with some BS story to add to their official narrative. Seattle, Chicago and many other cities were able to successfully just that.

You have to love our fake history, for it teaches us to read between the lines:
P.S. Congratulations to the citizens of Victoria, BC., and welcome to our Stolen History. Every city has to have a few of them horns in its history.

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One of the Victoria buildings
 

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As a fellow Canadian, you have to just stop in awe at the sheer love we have for making gigantic expensive post offices. I would wander the streets and say "Wow, that is cool", because it truly is. But then critically, much later in life, you hopefully go "wait...weren't we trading furs back then?" and "we can't fix a road in 2 months how did they build this in 18xx?". Remember winter existed back then too, or so were told.

I am stealing this from you Korben but again "Where are all the people?". Looks vastly undersized.
 

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Did you go see Craigdarroch Castle on your trip? I was reading up on it last year and it seems pretty fishy that Dunsmuir made so much money in coal to be able to build such a beautiful home.
 
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Did you go see Craigdarroch Castle on your trip? I was reading up on it last year and it seems pretty fishy that Dunsmuir made so much money in coal to be able to build such a beautiful home.
Nope, unfortunately I was unaware of its existence.
 

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Awesome write-up KD. Hope you enjoyed the trip, and also, thank you for the pictures. Most people -myself included- just wrote off those blocked off old windows and doorways, never really thinking about what they used to be or where they went. It's nuts to wake up and realize what we're actually ... well, NOT seeing, and knowing how it's all hidden from everyone.
 

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Awesome post KD, love to see peoples own photos rather than stock pics. I live fairly close by and have friends in Victoria, am going to ask a similar minded friend and see what his thoughts are on this. He is a big history nut so he might be able to provide some context. Will update when i get time
 

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Very good post. I live in Victoria and I had no idea about the sidewalk skylights. very interesting.
 

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This little thread is a living testament that once you have seen it once, you are simply unable to unsee it. I just got back from Victoria, British Columbia, Canada. Went there with my wife to simply spend some time away from home, and to enjoy Canada Day in Canada.

It took us about 30 seconds in town to start pointing things out to each other. From the Mud Flood stand point, Victoria, BC is decently camouflaged. I did not see many buried windows I saw in Port Townsend, WA, USA.
Victoria, BC or BS?
Well, considering that the existing narrative of this Canadian city appears to have no official Mud Flood explanation, the history of the city of Victoria has to be rewritten. I understand that this is a pretty bold statement, but I fully intend to substantiate my claims. In my opinion, there are at least two additional stories buried under the sidewalks of the city of Victoria in British Columbia.

Official History


KD: Pretty sure that if there was a catastrophic event in the history of a city, such an event would end up being well documented. The Narrative offers the following story line, which appears to be missing any events of sorts:
  • Victoria is the capital city of the Canadian province of British Columbia, located on the southern tip of Vancouver Island off Canada's Pacific coast.
  • Prior to the arrival of European navigators in the late 1700s, the Victoria area was home to several communities of Coast Salish peoples, including the Songhees. The Spanish and British took up the exploration of the northwest coast, beginning with the visits of Juan Pérez in 1774, and of James Cook in 1778. Although the Victoria area of the Strait of Juan de Fuca was not penetrated until 1790, Spanish sailors visited Esquimalt Harbour (just west of Victoria proper) in 1790, 1791, and 1792.
  • In 1841 James Douglas was charged with the duty of setting up a trading post on the southern tip of Vancouver Island, upon the recommendation by George Simpson a new more northerly post be built in case Fort Vancouver fell into American hands (see Oregon boundary dispute). Douglas founded Fort Victoria on the site of present-day Victoria in anticipation of the outcome of the Oregon Treaty in 1846, extending the British North America/United States border along the 49th parallel from the Rockies to the Strait of Georgia.
  • Erected in 1843 as a Hudson's Bay Company trading post on a site originally called Camosun (the native word was "camosack", meaning "rush of water") known briefly as "Fort Albert", the settlement was renamed Fort Victoria in November 1843, in honour of Queen Victoria. The Songhees established a village across the harbour from the fort. The Songhees' village was later moved north of Esquimalt in 1911.The crown colony was established in 1849. Between the years 1850-1854 a series of treaty agreements known as the Douglas Treaties were made with indigenous communities to purchase certain plots of land in exchange for goods.
  • When news of the discovery of gold on the British Columbia mainland reached San Francisco in 1858, Victoria became the port, supply base, and outfitting centre for miners on their way to the Fraser Canyon gold fields, mushrooming from a population of 300 to over 5000 within a few days. Victoria was incorporated as a city in 1862. In 1865, the North Pacific home of the Royal Navy was established in Esquimalt and today is Canada's Pacific coast naval base. In 1866 when the island was politically united with the mainland, Victoria was designated the capital of the new united colony instead of New Westminster – an unpopular move on the Mainland – and became the provincial capital when British Columbia joined the Canadian Confederation in 1871.
  • In the latter half of the 19th century, the Port of Victoria became one of North America's largest importers of opium, serving the opium trade from Hong Kong and distribution into North America. Opium trade was legal and unregulated until 1865, then the legislature issued licences and levied duties on its import and sale. The opium trade was banned in 1908.
  • In 1886, with the completion of the Canadian Pacific Railway, Victoria's position as the commercial centre of British Columbia was irrevocably lost to the city of Vancouver, British Columbia. The city subsequently began cultivating an image of genteel civility within its natural setting, aided by the impressions of visitors such as Rudyard Kipling, the opening of the popular Butchart Gardens in 1904 and the construction of the Empress Hotel by the Canadian Pacific Railway in 1908.
Naturally, we do not see anything out of the ordinary in this history. There appears to be no major floods or fires. To be sure we can reference the history of Flooding in Canada here:
As far as Great Fires go, things are not that straight forward. And while Wikipedia chose to omit anything pertaining to the Victoria Urban Fires, a certain Dave Obee did not.
  • July 23, 1907: The worst fire in Victoria’s history raced through several blocks, destroying just about everything in its path. It began in a blacksmith shop at Herald and Store streets, but the wind carried the flames to Government, then Douglas, then Blanshard, then Quadra. Ninety structures in nine city blocks were wiped out and about 250 people were left homeless. No lives were lost. The fire was stopped when firefighters tore down some cottages to prevent the blaze from spreading.
  • Oct. 26, 1910: A fire that started in Spencer’s department store spread to the Five Sisters Block and other structures. Many valuable old architectural records and photographs were destroyed. The fire wiped out 40 businesses in the area bounded by Government, Fort, Broad and Trounce streets.
  • Major fires in Victoria's history
If something happened in 1907-1910 and resulted in 20 feet of dirt burying the entire city, wouldn't history reflect that? It probably would, but then again, nothing is surprising any longer. Personally, I think whatever brought the dirt happened way before 1907. I'm thinking along the 1812 time frames here. Of course, officially there was no city there yet.

Interesting enough, but there was a video made shortly before the Victoria Urban Fire of 1907. This was filmed on May 4th 1907 by William Harbeck for Hales Tours of Portland for their "Scenes of the World" series. The quality is not as good as the one in the famous 1906 San Francisco footage, but we can still draw specific parallels: shoot the movie, start the "fire"...

For fun facts, search for the Victoria Crystal Palace (made out of wood) aka Willows Exhibition Building. It was destroyed in this 1907 fire.
Pavement lights (UK), vault lights (US), floor lights, or sidewalk prisms are flat-topped walk-on skylights, usually set into pavement (sidewalks) or floors to let sunlight into the space below. They often use anidolic lighting prisms to throw the light sideways under the building. They were developed in the 19th century, but declined in popularity with the advent of cheap electric lighting. Older cities and smaller centers around the world have or have had pavement lights. Most such lights are approximately a century old, although lights are being installed in some new construction.
The existence of these "pavement lights" is one of the tell tale signs that you are in the right place. The city you are in, will definitely have either tunnels or additional levels beneath. There were hundreds of these in the city of Victoria. I photographed a couple, for they were literally everywhere.

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I don't wear pink. That's my wife's sneaker.
And, apparently, it matters not that the official history chooses not to share the info. There are always some truth seekers in the area. Unfortunately their understanding of the problem is limited, and they normally look for some "secret tunnels". Victoria is not an exception:
This video below is great: nothing to see there folks. Move along, it's just another area way...



20 feet of dirt
This is a rather bizarre feeling to walk upon the streets realizing that there are at least two additional stories beneath your feet. This stolen history of the society which we will never be told about is pretty mesmerizing.

Why am I talking about 20 feet of dirt? Well, because this is the least depth suggested by the Google Earth. Visually it looks more like 25-30, but 20 is plenty enough. I think it gets deeper once you go up the hill and away from the harbor.

Below (top of the wall) you can see the actual level of the actual city of Victoria. This is the least amount of dirt Victoria is buried in.

I was able to find only one place where this amount of dirt manifested into a better visual representation.

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Old Victoria Post Office
At the intersection of Warf and Government streets there used to be this beautiful Post Office and Customs building below.
At some point (I think it was in the 1950s) it was replaced with the below structure. Google Maps still shows this building in its street view.


On 06.01.2019 this area looked like this. It appears that the older buildings had two additional stories below the ground level.

Than there was this other site with a demolished older building in Victoria. I walked right by, and the area smelled like any other place in the city. As you can see, there are some things we are not supposed to smell, for they are real bad for us. BS has a very distinctive smell, and this society should avoid coming close to places where they can smell it.

KD: At the very least, the municipal government of Victoria needs to come up with some BS story to add to their official narrative. Seattle, Chicago and many other cities were able to successfully just that.

You have to love our fake history, for it teaches us to read between the lines:
P.S. Congratulations to the citizens of Victoria, BC., and welcome to our Stolen History. Every city has to have a few of them horns in its history.

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One of the Victoria buildings
The short video triggered my survival instincts. Something is wrong with the whole story about Vancouver Island.

There are a few gaps in the maps and photo evidence showing Victoria's growth.
At the 1860 time line Victoria is still frontier looking.
By 1864 image there is a possible large building that looks similar to the Parliament Building , which was built in 1893.

There seemed to be little information between 1860 and 1900.
The 1886 map of Vancouver shows a temporary morgue at the river bank?
The fort street drawing shows a lot of mud heaped up in the street.
The 1893 Parliament Building looks out of time.
The 1873 City Hall is sitting in the middle of wooden houses?
I did notice that some maps had the land area at Victoria flat, and later there were slight mounds where they were not before. 1870-1890.
A number of the images were to big for downloading. A number of those seemed to be repairing or rebuilding, with mud mounds close to them.

I encounter one entry around 1850 concerning Victoria, it was stated that the rest of the northern part of the island had not been explored.

The events around 1812 were strange with more than one 22 gun sloop disappearing after leaving Victoria and sailing north up the Straights.Never seen again. Archaeologist starting looking at the coast line across from Vancouver in the early ninety's but no luck.

The accepted story is Indians up north on the island tricked the Captain and killed everyone and as a desperate measure the Captain blew the ship apart so no survivors, except the story. And what happened to the other ships?

I also noted that British Columbia joined in 1871 the Canadian Confederacy.
There we go again 1812 and 1871 became prominent to the story.


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Update: The lost ship ,1810," Tonquin" was owned by, wait for it, John Astor.
reading the book ,see attached image, it stated that the ship had been specially built, double hull extra reinforcement and twenty two canons.
The ship sailed around the world twice before sailing north from Victoria?

The ships 22 guns would need two men each, there would be the Captain and staff, maybe four to six. Most ships of the time period would have , if HMS Marines, private sharpshooters stationed in the rigging, maybe four at least.

The ship had enough men and weapon's to stop a few hundred Indians, in canoes, from boarding. How about pulling anchor and drift, hard to board a drifting ship that is firing on you. But we already know,that having built a "special" ship John Astor would employ an incompetent crew. The same crew that circled the world twice with no loss of life in 1804 and 1806 That's what I would have done. LOL
 

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