Uncle Sam & Brother Jonathan

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UNCLE SAM AND BROTHER JONATHAN
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The personification of countries or cities have been going on for centuries. Here's four goddesses from around 990 from a gospel drawing. They represent Sclavinia, Germania, Gallia, and Roma, bringing offerings to Emperor Otto III.

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In modern day, we mostly have goddesses supposedly representing the motherland in the astarte/venus/minerva style. Some have two.
For instance, the UK has John Bull (created 1712) for England and Britannica as their goddess symbol.

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And of course the US had Columbia from the beginning and Uncle Sam, who came into use in......1812.

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And two combos for fun: and this one showing Britannica and Uncle Sam:
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and this one with France, Russia and the UK
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The official story of Uncle Sam's creation --

A popular legend is that the name "Uncle Sam" was derived from Samuel Wilson, a meat-packer from Troy, New York who supplied rations for American soldiers during the War of 1812. There was a requirement at the time for contractors to stamp their name and where the rations came from onto the food they were sending. Wilson's packages were labeled "E.A – US." When someone asked what that stood for, a co-worker jokingly said, "Elbert Anderson [the contractor] and Uncle Sam," referring to Wilson, though the "US" actually stood for United States. 🐍 BWHAHAHA!

And again there are questions about the official narrative: Doubts have been raised as to the authenticity of this story, as the claim did not appear in print until 1842. Additionally, the earliest known mention definitely referring to the metaphorical Uncle Sam is from 1810, predating Wilson's contract with the government. The US Congress cleared this up by officially recognizing Uncle Sam Day on the birthday of Samuel Wilson in 1989.


Except, Uncle Sam was not the original. Brother Jonathan was the first.

Never heard of him, me neither. The clothing he wears looks familiar though:
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Brother Jonathan was usually depicted in editorial cartoons and patriotic posters outside New England as a long-winded New Englander who dressed in striped trousers, somber black coat, and stove-pipe hat. Inside New England, "Brother Jonathan" was depicted as an enterprising and active businessman who blithely boasted of Yankee conquests for the Universal Yankee Nation. After 1865, the garb of Brother Jonathan was emulated by Uncle Sam, a common personification of the continental government of the United States.

They used both in advertising of course - for stimulants!
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As early as 1835, Brother Jonathan made a reference to Uncle Sam, implying that they symbolized different things: Brother Jonathan was the country itself, while Uncle Sam was the government and its power. 🐍 Brother Jonathan has disappeared so I guess that we no longer have a country only the government and its power? That's how I am reading that!

By the 1850's, the names Brother Jonathan and Uncle Sam were being used nearly interchangeably, to the point that images of what had previously been called "Brother Jonathan" were being called "Uncle Sam". Similarly, the appearance of both personifications varied wildly. For example, one depiction of Uncle Sam in 1860 showed him looking like Benjamin Franklin, while a contemporaneous depiction of Brother Jonathan[15] looks more like the modern version of Uncle Sam, though without a goatee. 🐍 We've seen this before, appropriate the devices of another symbol or figure and then getting rid of the original symbol.

The New England-based Know Nothing Party, which Yankee Notions also lampooned, was divided into two camps—the moderate Jonathans and the radical Sams. Eventually, Uncle Sam came to replace Brother Jonathan, and the victors applied "Yankee" to all of the country by the end of the century, after the "Yankee" section had won the American Civil War.

DEATH OF BROTHER JONATHON
So when did we really put Jonathon aside, I think the evil PTB did it in one of their messed up symbolic cermonies with the sinking of the steamer, Brother Jonathan on July 30,1865. Of the 244 passengers and crew, 225 were believed to have died. The steamer was also carrying a large shipment of gold.

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Like the Titanic, so may people died because of lifeboats ---Although there were enough lifeboats to hold all of the people on board, only three boats were able to be deployed. Acts of courage and desperation, fear and self-sacrifice, were numerous. The rough waves capsized the first lifeboat that was lowered and smashed the second against the vessel's sides. Only a single surfboat, holding eleven crew members, five women, and three children, managed to escape the wreck and make it safely to Crescent City.

Who were here important passengers that were lost because we know the PTB like to sacrifice people when they need a ceremony.

Roseanna Keenan, a San Francisco Madam and her 7 soiled doves (muses, whatever).

General George Wright was an American soldier who served in the Mexican–American War and the American Civil War . When the regular army reorganized in 1865 and created the Military Division of the Pacific, Wright commanded the District of California for a few months until he was given command of the newly created Department of the Columbia. 🐍 He also was instrumental in several battles against the natives of the northwest. Did they create the Dept of Columbia for him to head so he would be a sacrifice for her? Hmmmm.

And, I think the most important of the sacrifices, Anson G. Henry. He was Lincoln's physician and a close personal friend. He was the one who consoled Mrs. Lincoln after the assassination. The source for him states it best:

Henry’s untimely death deprived historians of his insights into Mr. Lincoln. An attempt by an early biographer to get information was rebuffed. Historian Allen Guelzo noted: “Anson Henry flatly refused to share anything with [Josiah] Holland until he had ‘the approbation & approval of the family of Mr. Lincoln.'” With Henry’s death also disappeared the “many letters” from Mr. Lincoln that Henry said he retained. :cry:

The reef the ship slammed into is now known as Jonathan Rock, and the St. George Reef Lighthouse was built in response to this disaster. A memorial for the deceased, registered as California Historical Landmark No. 541, sits at Brother Jonathan Vista Point in Crescent City. The shipwreck is listed in the National Register of Historic Places. 🐍Like most things they are involved in, they protect the landmarks so we cannot investigate further.

Despite the gold coins (DOUBLE EAGLES) already discovered and brought up, crates of gold from Brother Jonathan still remain hidden and undisturbed.

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The large safe with its millions of dollars of jewels, gold bars, and gold was never found. The salvors estimate that four-fifths of the treasure is still waiting to be discovered—mere miles from land. 🐍This money was payment to the Native Americans in the Northwest to compensate them for lands and treaties. I am sure the government sent out a new payment to replace this one.

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RIP BROTHER JONATHAN, SYMBOL OF OUR COUNTRY AND THE PEOPLE. For now we are left with Uncle Sam, the symbol of government and its authority and power.

Plissken🐍

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Origin of Uncle Sam
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Lady Brittanica appears to be a giantess with a pet lion. That's pretty awesome, actually.

Anyone else remember Uncle Sam with a red-and-white striped hat? Not just modern depictions, but older ones, too. Anyway, this a great article, I never paid much attention to the origin story of this character.

Also, there's Scandinavia and the World, a great comic strip where all the characters are countries.
 

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What would 'native' americans need gold, silver and jewels for?
The sinking of the ship tale has the same holes in it as Titanic 'sinking'.
Wealth tokens being carried.
'Elite people' who had fallen foul of 'the elite' stupid enough to gather on one boat that gets 'sunk' in a collision with a natural object, not another vessel. NO third party witnesses!
Most of those on board are 'killed' in the sinking.
Both events are given markers, the rock and the iceberg, to fix them in 'time'.
 
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I also found it suspicious that the gold was never found. Was it ever even loaded? I know if I was going to sink a ship, I would just pretend the gold was loaded. They found all sorts of jewels and other debris but only a few "DOUBLE EAGLES".

The weather was really bad on the first leg of the journey and yet they still headed out into bad weather for the next leg of their trip. Then the Captain turns the boat around because of the weather and they hit the rock on their way back into harbor.

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The weather was really bad on the first leg of the journey and yet they still headed out into bad weather for the next leg of their trip. Then the Captain turns the boat around because of the weather and they hit the rock on their way back into harbor.

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Incredible isn't it when you realise that the 'cargo' this ship was said to be carrying is taken into consideration.
Then we get told this; the rock becomes an 'uncharted reef' and it was overloaded. She been sailing the route for six years so one would think her captain and crew would know the waters, in all weathers, well.
Brother Jonathan’s Tragic Final Voyage

On July 30, 1865, the S.S. Brother Jonathan — dangerously overloaded with livestock, heavy equipment, and even a fire engine — crashed into an uncharted reef in the midst of a terrible storm. Perhaps in response to terrified passengers or to just a reasonable fear of storm surge, the captain had turned the ship around, intending to return to safety. However, the impact of the reef dealt a mortal blow, and Brother Jonathan sank quickly. Only 19 survived, making it the deadliest passenger shipwreck of the West Coast to date, and prompting the building of St. George Reef Lighthouse, the costliest and most remote lighthouse in U.S. history.


Then from here we get told this;
The Brother Jonathan was a 220-foot paddlewheel-driven steamer built in 1851 in New York and owned for some time by Cornelius Vanderbilt.

It became an important ship in Oregon history.
In 1859, it was the Brother Jonathan that brought the message to Oregon that it had been admitted to the union as a new state. This was especially symbolic, since “Brother Jonathan” was at the time the name of an imaginary mascot for the United States — like “Uncle Sam.”


So not just 'another paddle steamer'. Vanderbilt, San Francisco, Gold, Symbolism of the States and a third take on what sunk her.

On the way back, a particularly lusty wave picked the Brother Jonathan up high, and the following trough spitted the ship on an underwater granite spire. It began to sink immediately.

Just where the truth lies in this tale is hard to fathom.
 

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Then it becomes ever more surreal;
First this from a very detailed take on events The saga of the Brother Jonathan’ and the General

Editor’s last letter…

The letter that James Nisbet, editor of the San Francisco Bulletin was writing to Almira Hopkins, a friend’s wife as the ship was sinking read:

“My dear Almira,
A thousand affectionate adieus. You spoke of my sailing on Friday — Hangman’s Day — and the unlucky Jonathan. Well here I am with death before me. My love to you all — to Caspar, to Dita, to Belle, to Mellie and little Myra — kiss her for me. Never forget Grandpa.”


And this version of Brother Johnathon I can make neither head nor tail of.
He appears to be naked behind the spreadsheet although he looks nothing like the one in the op.
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I also found it suspicious that the gold was never found. Was it ever even loaded? I know if I was going to sink a ship, I would just pretend the gold was loaded. They found all sorts of jewels and other debris but only a few "DOUBLE EAGLES".

The weather was really bad on the first leg of the journey and yet they still headed out into bad weather for the next leg of their trip. Then the Captain turns the boat around because of the weather and they hit the rock on their way back into harbor.

Plissken 🐍
I think you have point there never load the gold, but be sure the manifest says its there.
 

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I was reading a book about Brother Jonathan and coming across this poem I just had to share.


The Dey of Algiers

Carpe Diem.—Seize the Dey.—Doctor C——.​

THE DEY OF ALGIERS, not being afraid of his ears,
Sent to Jonathan once for some tribute;
“Ho! ho!” says the dey, “if the rascal don’t pay,
A caper or two I’ll exhibit.
“I’m the Dey of Algiers, with a beard a yard long,
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I’m a Mussulman, too, and of course very strong:
For this is my maxim, dispute it who can,
That a man of stout muscle’s a stout Mussulman.
“They say,” to himself one day says the dey,
“I may bully him now without reckoning to pay;
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There’s a kick-up just coming with him and John Bull,
And John will give Jonathan both his hands full.”
So he bullied our consul, and captured our men,
Went out through the Straits and came back safe again;
And thought that his cruisers in triumph might ply
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Wherever they pleased—but he thought a d—d lie.
For when Jonathan fairly got John out of his way,
He prepared him to settle accounts with the dey;
Says he, “I will send him an able debater:”
So he sent him a message by Stephen Decatur.
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Away went Decatur to treat with the dey,
But he met the dey’s admiral just in his way;
And by way of a tribute just captured his ship;
But the soul of the admiral gave him the slip.
From thence he proceeded to Algesair’s bay,
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To pay his respects to his highness the dey,
And sent him a message, decided yet civil,
But the dey wish’d both him and his note to the d—l.
And when he found out that the admiral’s ship
And the admiral, too, had both given him the slip,
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The news gave his highness a good deal of pain,
And the dey thought he’d never see daylight again.
“Ho! ho!” says the dey, “if this is the way
This Jonathan reckons his tribute to pay,
Who takes it will tickle his fingers with thorns;”
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So the dey and the crescent both haul’d in their horns.
He call’d for a peace, and gave up our men,
And promised he’d never ask tribute again;
Says his highness, the dey, “Here’s the d—l to pay
Instead of a tribute; heigho, well-a-day!”
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And never again will our Jonathan pay
A tribute to potentate, pirate, or dey;
Nor any, but that which forever is given—
The tribute to valour, and virtue, and Heaven.
And again if his deyship should bully and fume,
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Or hereafter his claim to this tribute resume,
We’ll send him Decatur once more to defy him,
And his motto shall be, if you please—Carpe Diem.


Pirates from Barbary sure, but I was unaware the symbol of America paying tribute to potentates or deys (rulers of the Ottoman Empire) was something that had been such a problem that the end of it was to be celebrated in prose. The tribute to Heaven certainly is worth keeping, I note.

Fun fact, the Stephen Decatur mentioned in the poem rode in the USS Enterprise during this war.
 

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Then it becomes ever more surreal;
First this from a very detailed take on events The saga of the Brother Jonathan’ and the General

Editor’s last letter…

The letter that James Nisbet, editor of the San Francisco Bulletin was writing to Almira Hopkins, a friend’s wife as the ship was sinking read:

“My dear Almira,
A thousand affectionate adieus. You spoke of my sailing on Friday — Hangman’s Day — and the unlucky Jonathan. Well here I am with death before me. My love to you all — to Caspar, to Dita, to Belle, to Mellie and little Myra — kiss her for me. Never forget Grandpa.”


And this version of Brother Johnathon I can make neither head nor tail of.
He appears to be naked behind the spreadsheet although he looks nothing like the one in the op.
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Christ Sakes, can you imagine how long it must have taken to find out the simplest of facts back then? Holy flying flaming cow cakes; was about ready to get out the razor blades just reading a couple paragraphs. Thank God I put the robe back in the garage last night.
 
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