The Sinaia Tablets

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i wonder if you all have heard of the sinaia tablets

this is what wiki says the romanian archaeologists say:
The Sinaia lead plates are a set of lead plates written in an unknown language or constructed language. They are alleged to be a chronicle of the Dacians, but are considered by most scholars to be modern forgeries.
According to the director of the Institute of Archaeology, Alexandru Vulpe, it is obvious they were made in 19th century and this was the opinion of both Vasile Pârvan and the archaeologists who studied them after him, some believing they were created by Bogdan Petriceicu Hasdeu.
this is a movie showing them


this is what the romanian linguist says in a prominent british academic mag:
A possible Dacian royal archive on lead plates
Aurora Petan, Institute of Linguistics, Bucharest, Romania.
Cambridge University Antiquity Journal Vol 79 No 303 March 2005 Article number 79006

The Story
In the second half of the nineteenth century an impressive archive composed of over 200 inscriptions on lead plates turned up at the Museum of Antiquities in Bucharest. The inscriptions were made in relief, using the Greek alphabet, written in an unknown language. The texts obviously refer to the Dacian civilization, involving names of some known Dacian kings, toponyms and hydronyms. The plates were considered as fakes, probably due to the unknown provenance and to their brand-new appearance, without any traces of corrosion to indicate that the lead had laid underground for almost 2000 years. An inventory of the pieces was never performed and no research of them has ever been conducted by specialists.

Nowadays, there are only 35 pieces left, together with some photos taken of other pieces in the time of the Second World War (Romalo 2003). However, the oral tradition testifies that the lead plates represent copies, made in 1875 by order of King Carol I, of some gold originals. The copying of the hundreds of pieces was accomplished at the nails factory in Sinaia, and the copies were stored first at the Sinaia Monastery and afterwards were transported to Bucharest. Nobody knows what happened to the gold originals. The detailed analyses of the samples extracted from all the 35 surviving artefacts, performed at the Institute of Nuclear Physics in Bucharest, stated that the composition of the plates is typical for the printing lead from the second half of the nineteenth century.

Description
The plates are rectangular, except for one which is round. The dimensions vary between 93 x 98mm and 354 x 255mm. Many of them present hanging traces, like holes. Most of them are written in the Greek alphabet, together with three foreign signs: V from the Latin alphabet and the signs for the palatal consonants [ce] and [ge], specific for the Cyrillic alphabet. Besides the Greek alphabet, there are some unknown scripts, monograms and strange symbols. Most of the pieces seem to be originated in Burebista's time, in Sarmizegetusa, the capital of the Dacian kingdom. The Decebal's ones are fewer, smaller and less elaborated. The texts are written in scriptio continua and the easiest words to identify are the names, anthroponyms, toponyms and ethnonyms - Dacian and foreign as well.

Besides the texts, on the plates there are many illustrations. The representations are extremely complex and cover a great part of the realia domain: armies, fortresses, portraits of kings (even detailed royal genealogies), totemic animals, gods, temples, religious symbols, war machines, trophies, various buildings, vegetation etc. The representation of the plan of Sarmizegetusa stronghold is striking at a time when the first systematic excavations had not started yet. Equally amazing is the detailed representation of the Burebista's two-storied limestone temple, discovered only in 1956 (Crisan 1986: 176-180).

The language of the texts has somehow an Indo-European appearance, but it is not like the expected Dacian language: that language seems to have nothing in common with the known remains of the Romanian substratum. There are some Indo-European words, but no final consonants, no desinences or inflection, and subsequently no grammatical marks for gender, number, case or person. Almost all the nouns end in -o, including the feminine ones ending in -a in the Greek and Latin sources: Boerobiseto, Dacibalo; Napoko, Sarmigetuzo. The groups of consonants are infrequent, proving the predisposition to open syllables. There are some words borrowed from Greek,

especially in the field of military terminology (basileo, chiliarcho) and some from Latin. The most important words do not have cognates in other IndoEuropean languages: mato 'king', kotopolo 'priest', talipiko 'fortress'.

Conclusion
The hundreds of pieces are extremely elaborate, nevertheless nobody was ever tempted to take advantage of them, either pecuniary or ideologically, which is opposite to the logic of a forgery. Besides, the plates provide data that could not be known at that time and nobody has succeeded in proving the forgery so far. As a consequence, the authenticity of this archive is a plausible hypothesis. Unfortunately, the artefacts have not proper conditions for conservation or security and are gradually deteriorating. Specialists have lacked interest in the written pieces for more than a century and most of the archive is now lost. At this moment there is no official program or project for studying and protecting these intriguing testimonies.
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i saw and touched these things while working as a foreign engineer for the romanian government just before the revolution. i do not think they fakes or a dacian archive but are a historical records of that which we believe is mythology/religion. ie its the gods for real.

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ps. i will describe some of the scenes when i sober up i touch. this has been a challenge.
 

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Texts appear to be Cyrillic related. One of the tablets has some weird symbol based language. This is too elaborate of a work to create for no reason. Who profited from them?

Scythian hats, of course they will declare them a forgery.

Do the opposite from what the archaeologists say. They declare everything not fitting their made up program a fake. So from that stand point they are more likely to be authentic.

Honestly, I think they do expose real stuff by declaring it fake, and vice versa.
 

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Lots of interesting pics. Egyptian dress, dinosaurs, Phyrigian hats, bleeding heart of Jesus (repeated in several pics), unidentifiable breed of dog, Roman helmets, turbans, Seems to cover many regions and time frames. A history book?
 

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would you look at that.... that is some early iteration of the script we use
 
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Lots of interesting pics. Egyptian dress, dinosaurs, Phyrigian hats, bleeding heart of Jesus (repeated in several pics), unidentifiable breed of dog, Roman helmets, turbans, Seems to cover many regions and time frames. A history book?
you see dinosaurs? certainly gryphons [anzu], an owl, dogs, an elephant, horses, cows, a goose, a vulture, snakes, a centipede and sheep. i hope you don't see dinosaurs.
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Texts appear to be Cyrillic related. One of the tablets has some weird symbol based language. This is too elaborate of a work to create for no reason. Who profited from them?

Scythian hats, of course they will declare them a forgery.

Do the opposite from what the archaeologists say. They declare everything not fitting their made up program a fake. So from that stand point they are more likely to be authentic.

Honestly, I think they do expose real stuff by declaring it fake, and vice versa.
the man they accuse of faking them was very rich and educated. has a very nice university named for him. its just jealousy. it was the only way they [the detractors] would be remembered for sure.

there are some uniquely scythian things such as the grylo

turn this image around and he becomes other men [his heritage]. note also his club above him which is the club of the god martu.
 
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Entirely possible I'm mistaken on the dinosaurs. They looked lizard-y to me.
 

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Very well. No dinosaurs. But what are those creatures left of center in the bottom left corner of the "ringed" square? Look like possibly human-ish legs but the heads are....? And the seated figure directly above those creatures and to the right is holding What?
 
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Very well. No dinosaurs. But what are those creatures left of center in the bottom left corner of the "ringed" square? Look like possibly human-ish legs but the heads are....? And the seated figure directly above those creatures and to the right is holding What?
a man sitting on a throne holding a scepter. maybe a 2 pronged scepter like hades. posiedon and his trident might be there above him. the interpretations might be endless.

for sure they are seven special people. maybe the ummanu/apkallu or saptarishi. notice they encircle an enclosure which is on a few of the tablets.
 

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Thank you. Very odd looking sceptre. I did notice the enclosures which were reminiscent of Egyptian cartouches.
 
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Thank you. Very odd looking sceptre. I did notice the enclosures which were reminiscent of Egyptian cartouches.
thoth had seven sages with him and seshat had seven builders. how many shebtiw were there? there are 4 distinct pyramids on one tablet. i did not post that. i will find it.

maybe 5 pyramids.
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Were there any semi successful translation attempts?
there are some attempts but really something good i cannot find. its really strange. the people that try haven't noticed the easy things even like the grylo even thought he is on another rotated
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they didn't know that is tablet is like a rosetta stone. the bottom script translates the top script.

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i think the list of things they haven't realized or recognized is stunning.

here is another. this guy
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sure looks like this guy
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and there is the club of martu again.

this is kinda neat. from the robert schoch website here is an inscription carved over the door of the great pyramid.
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in the language of the sinaia tablets that says

u t ks io

which means "i am utu". utu was a god. odd that it makes perfect sense only in the language of these fake tablets and no other.
 
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