The Giants of Tiahuanaco: article from 1955

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German Original: SPIEGEL

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As far as scientists go back in human history, stories of giants have appeared in almost all the myths and legends that brought them to light. The prehistory of the Israelites, for example, reported from Giant peoples in Canaan, mythology of the Greeks told of the gigantic Aloids and Cyclopes, and even in the tales of Tatars, Slavs, Finns and Celts haunted people of gigantic growth. Even the Bible states precisely, "For only the king Og of Basan was left of the giants." See, his iron bed is ... nine cubits long and four cubits wide, after a man's elbow. "

For centuries, the science of an enlightened humanity has plainly defined the phenomenon of Goliath myths as "mythological personification" or as "personification of irrepressible forces of nature." She attributed to them the same symbolism with which Bible theologians explained the quotations from the creation of the human race and the longevity of Methuselah (969 years). But last month in Paris, a French scholar named Denis Saurat risked the laughter of the scientific world by claiming that all these traditions were literal. In other words, there really were giants, the first humans were really created in a short act of creation, and Methuselah was really 969 years old.

"Atlantis or the rule of the giants" is the name of the work recently published by the Parisian publisher Denoel, in which Professor Saurat, a 64-year-old cosmologist, seeks to substantiate his claim with scientific evidence. The starting point of his research was the ruins of the city Tiahuanaco, which were found in the South American Andes at an altitude of over 4000 meters near Lake Titicaca. Tiahuanaco was an enigmatic discovery. Once upon a time, all signs indicated it must have been a great port city:

▷ An unbroken chain of lake deposits extends for 700 kilometers from north to south at an altitude of about 4,000 meters;
Lake Titicaca is very salty, which can only be explained by the fact that it remained behind when the sea sank back to its current level.
No geologist was able to explain why the sea was estimated to reach an altitude of 4,000 meters, an estimated 300,000 years ago. But even the archaeologists were surprised when they examined the ruins of the former port city. They faced the ruins of a 250,000-year-old culture they knew nothing about. But something else astounded the scientists:

▷ The sea level at that time did not seem to correspond to the curvature of the earth, but formed a much steeper curve, descending from the equator to the south.

In the riddle of Tiahuanaco, Professor Saurat now sees clear proof of a decades-long mocked scientific theory of the (1931 deceased) Viennese physicist Hanns Hörbiger. Lecturer Hörbiger:

▷ The earth has our present moon. formerly circling around the sun as a small planet, captured and satellised only 13,000 years ago.

▷ In its run around the earth, the moon describes a spiral that is steadily narrowing so that one day it will fall to earth.

▷ The present moon already had three predecessors, the last of which crashed 300,000 years ago.

In his theses based on complicated mathematical calculations, Hörbiger, the spiraling moon, whirls around the earth at a distance of 30,000 kilometers at such incredible speed that he disintegrates into its components. The debris formed a saturn-like ring around the earth's equator. As a meteor shower, the fragments of the moon eventually fell to the earth, destroying a large part of the earthly fauna and flora in the affected regions.
Professor Saurat has applied this theory to the mysterious Tiahuanaco. With it, the mystery of a 4000 meters above sea level port city can be easily explained: When the third moon of the earth had approached less than 100 000 kilometers, he circled - as Hörbiger calculated - within 24 days exactly 37 times to the Earth. Damaged under the influence of his attraction The oceans turned into a tremendous flood at the equator, forming a gay-like ring descending from the equator to the north and south in a steep curve that reached 4,000 meters at the equator.

The 700-kilometer line of ocean deposits in the Andes begins at Lake Umayo in Peru. It is 100 meters higher than the still filled with salt water Lake Titicaca. "Hörbiger calculated," writes Saurat, "that the flood caused by the contracted waters left only five islands, namely the Andes near Titicaca, high Mexico, New Guinea, Tibet, and the Abyssinian high plateau.

We can imagine that the men of the port of Tiahuanaco had ships with which they could sail their entire arched sea, and that a common culture extended over all five islands. "And together with the English scientist H. S. Bellamy tells Saurat that these men were four to five meter tall giants.
At the time of the first moon, Saurat lectured, there were huge plants and huge insects whose remains are known to have been found in deposits. These giant plants and giant insects, Saurat believes, could arise only at times of the approach of the first moon, as the increased gravitational pull of this moon strongly counteracted the gravitational pull of the earth, thereby reducing it to a fraction of its present strength. Thus, the weight of all living things was reduced, which in turn allowed them to grow into gigantic. The increased cosmic radiation was caused by mutations, the races of the giants.

Saurat points out that the induction of mutations by cosmic rays is generally regarded by science as proven today. A radiation bombardment increased by lunar approach had to cause several mutations. So probably have:

▷ the first moon "sired" the giant plants and the giant insects and buried them, with the exception of a few survivors, among its ruins;

▷ the second moon causes the formation and destruction of the dinosaurs;

▷ the third moon evolved around Adam and Eve about 300,000 years ago.

"Man," asserts Saurat, "has come into being through the influence of the cosmic rays on the genetic make-up (genes) of a probably vanished animal that gave birth to twins, a female and a male." And that this first human couple was a pair of giants, Saurat wants to prove with medical and archaeological evidence.

The medical evidence for the giant growth of the first man, the professor sees in the fact that man today prematurely and much less developed than the animals come into the world. "The original giant had to be prematurely expelled by the non-gigantic mother, otherwise he would have killed the mother."

The giant growth in turn has made longevity possible. "Just as the diminution of Earth's gravity allowed giant growth," Saurat explains, "it also allowed longevity because of physiological wear and tear, the normal cause of short-livedness in direct proportion to body weight, and a body of equal size but smaller weight will live much longer. "

According to Saurat, smaller races - along with the giants - have sprung up in the temperate zones far away from the five great equatorial islands, much less exposed to the attraction of the equatorial moon. Because of their much shorter lifespan, they could never create nearly as high a culture as the giants.

At their first contact with the small races, the giants were regarded as gods and made revered kings. By and by, however, the giants in the moonless world had to degenerate because of their increased body weight. The last surviving giants became vicious cannibals to be killed by the small races as a public danger, a David Goliath event haunting the mythologies of all peoples since then, turning the gods from the good giants and degenerates from the good giants Giants made the evil spirits. As the most important proof of his theories, Saurat argues that all five of the giants inhabited islands have left clear evidence of the Giant epoch to this day:

▷ the ruins of Tiahuanaco in the Andes;
▷ in Mexico, a tradition that reports with precise information of an epoch of the giants.
▷ at the foot of the Abyssinian high plateau a tribe of over two meters tall Negroes, still living there today, in which Saurat sees the last degenerate, still living remains of the original people of the Giants;
▷ in New Guinea, the practice of the worship of giant stones by the natives, who according to Saurat in these stones still worship their former kings from the tribe of the Giants;
▷a tradition almost unknown in Tibet, dating back to the giants' culture, which is the secret treasure of Tibetan monks.

As interesting as the material that Professor Saurat has compiled to prove his giant theory, there remains a counter-argument which he avidly avoids in his book: Why have not found a single skeleton of a vorsintflutlichen giant, where it is still Skeletons of dinosaurs does not lack? Saurat said: "More important than the findings of skeletons, which would prove nothing by the way, since the opponents of our school would immediately assert that they are not human skeletons, but skeletons of human-like giant monkeys, is a find just now, immediately after the publication of my book, made by Captain Lafanachère in the province of Agadir in Morocco. "A few weeks ago - and the press has not yet reported it - Captain Lafanachère managed a whole warehouse of 500,000-year-old tools To find the Stone Age, which are so large that they could be made only by four -meter-high giants and used. The first announcement of this sensational find will be forthcoming in the archaeological press, and will also free the fact that there once were human giants from the ultimate possibility of doubt. "

*) Scene photo from the film shot in Africa" King Solomon diamonds ".

web source: _spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-31968852.html
 

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Well done, dreamtime! Makes a lot of sense, actually
 

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Great article it is. And while I am not the biggest proponent of the Moon being a celestial body, a lot in this article does make sense.

Not sure though about tens, and hundreds of thousands of years old things. Personally think it’s an unprovable speculation.

Piranesi type architecture demonstrates buildings designed to accomodate 4-5 meter tall individuals, and clearly was not built by our statue horse riding people shown in the same drawings.

Structures would not stand thousands of years uncared for. Thousands would hide those buildings in the forests of trees and vines. Which means those giants lived fairly recently.

And as far as not finding giant skeletons, there are plenty of the 19th century newspaper articles referencing the finds. May be Smithonian needs to be put through torture to show us what they did with all the found giant skeletons and other unwanted artifacts.
 
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It's an artificial model for a zoo. I should have probably made that clear, apologies!
 

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German Original: SPIEGEL

Translation:

As far as scientists go back in human history, stories of giants have appeared in almost all the myths and legends that brought them to light. The prehistory of the Israelites, for example, reported from Giant peoples in Canaan, mythology of the Greeks told of the gigantic Aloids and Cyclopes, and even in the tales of Tatars, Slavs, Finns and Celts haunted people of gigantic growth. Even the Bible states precisely, "For only the king Og of Basan was left of the giants." See, his iron bed is ... nine cubits long and four cubits wide, after a man's elbow. "

For centuries, the science of an enlightened humanity has plainly defined the phenomenon of Goliath myths as "mythological personification" or as "personification of irrepressible forces of nature." She attributed to them the same symbolism with which Bible theologians explained the quotations from the creation of the human race and the longevity of Methuselah (969 years). But last month in Paris, a French scholar named Denis Saurat risked the laughter of the scientific world by claiming that all these traditions were literal. In other words, there really were giants, the first humans were really created in a short act of creation, and Methuselah was really 969 years old.

"Atlantis or the rule of the giants" is the name of the work recently published by the Parisian publisher Denoel, in which Professor Saurat, a 64-year-old cosmologist, seeks to substantiate his claim with scientific evidence. The starting point of his research was the ruins of the city Tiahuanaco, which were found in the South American Andes at an altitude of over 4000 meters near Lake Titicaca. Tiahuanaco was an enigmatic discovery. Once upon a time, all signs indicated it must have been a great port city:

▷ An unbroken chain of lake deposits extends for 700 kilometers from north to south at an altitude of about 4,000 meters;
Lake Titicaca is very salty, which can only be explained by the fact that it remained behind when the sea sank back to its current level.
No geologist was able to explain why the sea was estimated to reach an altitude of 4,000 meters, an estimated 300,000 years ago. But even the archaeologists were surprised when they examined the ruins of the former port city. They faced the ruins of a 250,000-year-old culture they knew nothing about. But something else astounded the scientists:

▷ The sea level at that time did not seem to correspond to the curvature of the earth, but formed a much steeper curve, descending from the equator to the south.

In the riddle of Tiahuanaco, Professor Saurat now sees clear proof of a decades-long mocked scientific theory of the (1931 deceased) Viennese physicist Hanns Hörbiger. Lecturer Hörbiger:

▷ The earth has our present moon. formerly circling around the sun as a small planet, captured and satellised only 13,000 years ago.

▷ In its run around the earth, the moon describes a spiral that is steadily narrowing so that one day it will fall to earth.

▷ The present moon already had three predecessors, the last of which crashed 300,000 years ago.

In his theses based on complicated mathematical calculations, Hörbiger, the spiraling moon, whirls around the earth at a distance of 30,000 kilometers at such incredible speed that he disintegrates into its components. The debris formed a saturn-like ring around the earth's equator. As a meteor shower, the fragments of the moon eventually fell to the earth, destroying a large part of the earthly fauna and flora in the affected regions.
Professor Saurat has applied this theory to the mysterious Tiahuanaco. With it, the mystery of a 4000 meters above sea level port city can be easily explained: When the third moon of the earth had approached less than 100 000 kilometers, he circled - as Hörbiger calculated - within 24 days exactly 37 times to the Earth. Damaged under the influence of his attraction The oceans turned into a tremendous flood at the equator, forming a gay-like ring descending from the equator to the north and south in a steep curve that reached 4,000 meters at the equator.

The 700-kilometer line of ocean deposits in the Andes begins at Lake Umayo in Peru. It is 100 meters higher than the still filled with salt water Lake Titicaca. "Hörbiger calculated," writes Saurat, "that the flood caused by the contracted waters left only five islands, namely the Andes near Titicaca, high Mexico, New Guinea, Tibet, and the Abyssinian high plateau.

We can imagine that the men of the port of Tiahuanaco had ships with which they could sail their entire arched sea, and that a common culture extended over all five islands. "And together with the English scientist H. S. Bellamy tells Saurat that these men were four to five meter tall giants.
At the time of the first moon, Saurat lectured, there were huge plants and huge insects whose remains are known to have been found in deposits. These giant plants and giant insects, Saurat believes, could arise only at times of the approach of the first moon, as the increased gravitational pull of this moon strongly counteracted the gravitational pull of the earth, thereby reducing it to a fraction of its present strength. Thus, the weight of all living things was reduced, which in turn allowed them to grow into gigantic. The increased cosmic radiation was caused by mutations, the races of the giants.

Saurat points out that the induction of mutations by cosmic rays is generally regarded by science as proven today. A radiation bombardment increased by lunar approach had to cause several mutations. So probably have:

▷ the first moon "sired" the giant plants and the giant insects and buried them, with the exception of a few survivors, among its ruins;

▷ the second moon causes the formation and destruction of the dinosaurs;

▷ the third moon evolved around Adam and Eve about 300,000 years ago.

"Man," asserts Saurat, "has come into being through the influence of the cosmic rays on the genetic make-up (genes) of a probably vanished animal that gave birth to twins, a female and a male." And that this first human couple was a pair of giants, Saurat wants to prove with medical and archaeological evidence.

The medical evidence for the giant growth of the first man, the professor sees in the fact that man today prematurely and much less developed than the animals come into the world. "The original giant had to be prematurely expelled by the non-gigantic mother, otherwise he would have killed the mother."

The giant growth in turn has made longevity possible. "Just as the diminution of Earth's gravity allowed giant growth," Saurat explains, "it also allowed longevity because of physiological wear and tear, the normal cause of short-livedness in direct proportion to body weight, and a body of equal size but smaller weight will live much longer. "

According to Saurat, smaller races - along with the giants - have sprung up in the temperate zones far away from the five great equatorial islands, much less exposed to the attraction of the equatorial moon. Because of their much shorter lifespan, they could never create nearly as high a culture as the giants.

At their first contact with the small races, the giants were regarded as gods and made revered kings. By and by, however, the giants in the moonless world had to degenerate because of their increased body weight. The last surviving giants became vicious cannibals to be killed by the small races as a public danger, a David Goliath event haunting the mythologies of all peoples since then, turning the gods from the good giants and degenerates from the good giants Giants made the evil spirits. As the most important proof of his theories, Saurat argues that all five of the giants inhabited islands have left clear evidence of the Giant epoch to this day:

▷ the ruins of Tiahuanaco in the Andes;
▷ in Mexico, a tradition that reports with precise information of an epoch of the giants.
▷ at the foot of the Abyssinian high plateau a tribe of over two meters tall Negroes, still living there today, in which Saurat sees the last degenerate, still living remains of the original people of the Giants;
▷ in New Guinea, the practice of the worship of giant stones by the natives, who according to Saurat in these stones still worship their former kings from the tribe of the Giants;
▷a tradition almost unknown in Tibet, dating back to the giants' culture, which is the secret treasure of Tibetan monks.

As interesting as the material that Professor Saurat has compiled to prove his giant theory, there remains a counter-argument which he avidly avoids in his book: Why have not found a single skeleton of a vorsintflutlichen giant, where it is still Skeletons of dinosaurs does not lack? Saurat said: "More important than the findings of skeletons, which would prove nothing by the way, since the opponents of our school would immediately assert that they are not human skeletons, but skeletons of human-like giant monkeys, is a find just now, immediately after the publication of my book, made by Captain Lafanachère in the province of Agadir in Morocco. "A few weeks ago - and the press has not yet reported it - Captain Lafanachère managed a whole warehouse of 500,000-year-old tools To find the Stone Age, which are so large that they could be made only by four -meter-high giants and used. The first announcement of this sensational find will be forthcoming in the archaeological press, and will also free the fact that there once were human giants from the ultimate possibility of doubt. "

*) Scene photo from the film shot in Africa" King Solomon diamonds ".

web source: _spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-31968852.html
I looked for a thread with "Methuselah" and found this one. Came across this:

Apparently, the rare earth Lanthanum is supposed to work great and removing iron from within cells. The notion would be back in the days before agriculture there might have been locations on Earth where there was an abundance of Lanthanum in the food, roots, rabbits etc. This might have kept iron levels way down in areas were it does the most damage in the body. As a consequence living a very long time like many in Methusalah's time might have been routine. Similarly, lithium is found in soils and water in much larger concentrations in a few notable localities. Here lifespan is probably a bit extended and aggression and depression are definitely reduced quite a bit.

Fountain of youth from the tap? Environmental lithium uptake promotes longevity, scientists demonstrate

I think Dreamtime is a nutriceutical expert so would like her opinion on just iron accumulation as the main reason why we don't live to 1000 years.
The kicker is maybe there are those today that "routinely" keep their iron levels in the sweetspot and do live to say 500 - very secretly. That would be a powerful way to accumulate extreme socioeconomic power over time. It would be very very difficult "not" to become a multitrillionaire over that much time due to simply the evil power of compound interest.


The trick would be to distribute and hide all that extreme wealth in very clever ways.

Maybe there is some other interesting rare mineral that when in the right soil/food concentration and maybe along with some other substance promotes gigantism.


A major part of aging turns out to be just iron accumulation

"What you actually see if you study aging carefully is that it isn't anything like accumulation of damage the body cannot repair, it's the accumulation of damage the body can repair.
In fact, among the most consistent things you can see is the accumulation of iron, and to a lesser extent other minerals, such as calcium. The body seems to have a really big trouble regulating those minerals, it doesn't even have its own way to get rid of excess iron, the only way you can get rid of it is blood loss.
Now, what does it mean? One thing, the body doesn't really makes much distinctions when absorbing metals so that when there is excess iron, it cannot absorb other divalent metals without poisoning itself with iron. So it cannot absorb manganese without absorbing too much iron, and manganese is essential for preventing oxidative damage.
A second thing is, the experiments on rats show that lanthanum (and possibly other rare earths) change the homeostasis in the brain so that the amount of iron decreases, while it normally accumulates with age. Multiple rare earths have been shown to bind preferably to proteins, usually over calcium, but possibly also other metal ions, zinc seems to be a kind of universal element that can bind to almost any place that isn't taken. Neurons even seem to dramatically increase in capacity (with each neuron carrying its own signal, instead of many almost exactly the same thing over and over) as the concentration of lanthanum increases in vitro. (it's worth noting though, that lanthanum has been seen as an essential nutrient for decades in China, so if it cured aging, it would be known)
I thing we need to consider the possibility that there is no such a thing as aging, but is the result of some sort of imbalance caused by early agriculture, metallurgy, or whatever human activity that changed the environment in a way that our bodies, and other mammal bodies have no way of dealing with. The rumors of longevity from history and various isolated places are seen as myths, but they may not all be.
Iron is known to accumulate with age: Brain iron accumulation in aging and neurodegenerative disorders. - PubMed - NCBI It has even been proposed as the mechanism of caloric restriction: Iron Accumulation with Age, Oxidative Stress and Functional Decline Here is some literature review: https://res.mdpi.com/metals/metals-05-02070/article_deploy/metals-05-02070.pdf?filename=&attachment=1 The absence of iron excretion mechanism shouldn't be controversial, here is the wikipedia article: Human iron metabolism - Wikipedia..."
 
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I had just thought about the idea that a sudden lack of lithium in the soil may have been partly responsible for the creation of Insane Asylums in the 19th century.

‘I Don’t Believe in God, but I Believe in Lithium’

Opinion | Should We All Take a Bit of Lithium?

Iron accumulation seems to be a big factor when it comes to degenerative diseases and aging, in the past society copper products were very widespread. with a higher copper intake the negative effects of iron are reduced, because the body takes up less iron.

I think lithium, iodine, and selenium are the magic missing trace minerals for health, and those appear to have been washed into the sea with a cataclysm, but I also think on earth the genetic limit of life is around 120 years, even if someone does everything possible. The secret (underground) elite may have different limits.
 
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I had just thought about the idea that a sudden lack of lithium in the soil may have been partly responsible for the creation of Insane Asylums in the 19th century.

‘I Don’t Believe in God, but I Believe in Lithium’

Opinion | Should We All Take a Bit of Lithium?

Iron accumulation seems to be a big factor when it comes to degenerative diseases and aging, in the past society copper products were very widespread. with a higher copper intake the negative effects of iron are reduced, because the body takes up less iron.

I think lithium, iodine, and selenium are the magic missing trace minerals for health, and those appear to have been washed into the sea with a cataclysm, but I also think on earth the genetic limit of life is around 120 years, even if someone does everything possible. The secret (underground) elite may have different limits.
I'd add Boron to that list. The lithium stuff is new to me. I crave salt like water, so I get tons of iodine, but I've thought selenium deficiency is a common problem as well. That one is easily solvable though, Brazil nuts have high amounts. You can actually OD on selenium from eating too many.
Copper, I thought would be toxic and any appreciable levels, but I could be way off on that.

Boron in particular used to be very present in leafy green vegetables, but we no longer cycle our crops in a way that replaces it, and we don't add it back to soil because it is not considered a nutrient. It's actually quite nefarious in my eyes, Borax has been banned as toxic in a couple countries already, even though it is half, HALF as toxic as table salt, and it's primary accepted use as a laundry booster puts it right next to detergents that will poison you in small amounts.
 

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I had just thought about the idea that a sudden lack of lithium in the soil may have been partly responsible for the creation of Insane Asylums in the 19th century.

‘I Don’t Believe in God, but I Believe in Lithium’

Opinion | Should We All Take a Bit of Lithium?

Iron accumulation seems to be a big factor when it comes to degenerative diseases and aging, in the past society copper products were very widespread. with a higher copper intake the negative effects of iron are reduced, because the body takes up less iron.

I think lithium, iodine, and selenium are the magic missing trace minerals for health, and those appear to have been washed into the sea with a cataclysm, but I also think on earth the genetic limit of life is around 120 years, even if someone does everything possible. The secret (underground) elite may have different limits.

120 years for a life limit might not be the case if signaling molecules for aging are finally detected in blood and some hopefully inexpensive ways are found to silence them or get them signaling for youth instead of aging. This might be so easy to do with very good luck, that an 800 year old shaman homo sapiens figured it out 100,000 years ago with just the right combination of herbs one of which might have been the "GAC" fruit. Gac - Wikipedia



Ayahuasca - Wikipedia Ayahuasca requires a very sophisticated knowledge of how different herbs interact. That was figured out thousands of years ago.
 

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