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The below two French maps are circa 1714. They clearly demonstrate former Tartarian control and dominion over the region known today as Lhasa, Tibet. For me these maps signify, that some time prior to 1714, Tartary had enough power to have its name placed over these territories. And the power of Tartary was known all the way in Europe.
Thanks to @jd755, who pointed out the architecture of the Dalai Lama's Potala Temple, we can take a closer look at some of the other architectural wonders located within the same region.
Before we do that, let us establish, that no European "colonizers", allegedly, visited the area in the numbers capable of building the structures presented below.
As you can see, according to Wikipedia, the place was a dump in 1811. Thomas Manning, the first Englishman to reach Lhasa, visited Pagri from 21 September until 5 November 1811 and had this to say about his room in the town:
1911 Encyclopedia Britannica:
Gyantse Jong: 1900-1901Some 50 miles south-east of this town, in the valley of the Nian-chu, stands one of the oldest towns of Tibet, Gyantse, advantageously situated for trade with India. Carpets and cloth are made in this spot, widely renowned for its immense suburban (temple), which is five stories high, and has numbers of rooms containing numerous statues of Buddha, some of them very old.
The formidable fortress of the Gyantse Jong with the British and Indian camp in the foreground. 'The Fusiliers thought that, in the hands of European troops it would be impregnable. 'But the Tibetans were poorly armed and led by officers who were in awe of the British. 'The artillery opened up a breach in the walls which was stormed on 6th July 1904.
The image was taken the morning after the capture of the fortress (or jong). A breach was eventually made in the walls by the mountain artillery and then a force of Gurkhas and men from the Royal Fusiliers stormed the fort after a short but bitter fight. During that action Lieutenant John Grant of the 8th Gurkhas won a Victoria Cross (VC).
One of 157 photographs taken by Major MacCarthy Reagh Emmet Ray in Tibet, showing views, groups, artillery in action, camp at Gyantse and portraits, 1904.
Chitishio is a dzong in Tibet. The site is in ruins; it was a Buddhist monastery. Take a look at the Wikipedia page devoted to this Star Fort. Do you think there is something missing in there?
Chitishio Dzong, 1939
Shigatse JongShigatse Dzong was originally built by Karma Phuntsok Namgyal (1611–1621), the second in the line of the Nyak family who ruled Tibet from 1565–1642, after which the capital was moved to Lhasa. Shigtse Dzong’s historic importance was accentuated by the fact that the Mongol ruler Gusri Khan installed the Fifth Dalai Lama as the supreme ruler of Tibet, which then covered territory from Tachienlu in the east up to the Ladakh border in the west in the 17th century. In later years, the fort became the residence of the governor of Tsang. The modern city of Shigatse has developed around the base of the Dzong.
KD: Anyways, we have lots of these Jong/Dzong structures, and I barely scratched the surface here. All of these structures have a very suspicions origin. They were not built by the European colonizers. If they were built around 1,500 AD, as some of the Wikipedia articles claim, than by who? Individuals similar to the ones below, Or by someone else?
From the maps above, and from this thread we know, that these structures are located on the Tartarian territory. But according to our anti-historians, the coutry of Tartary has never existed.
So, who built these forts and 13 story buildings in Tebet circa 1,500 AD, or even earlier?
Thanks to @jd755, who pointed out the architecture of the Dalai Lama's Potala Temple, we can take a closer look at some of the other architectural wonders located within the same region.
Before we do that, let us establish, that no European "colonizers", allegedly, visited the area in the numbers capable of building the structures presented below.
- These historic photographs show the first entry by Western forces into the mysterious forbidden city of Lhasa, the capital of Tibet, in August 1904.
As you can see, according to Wikipedia, the place was a dump in 1811. Thomas Manning, the first Englishman to reach Lhasa, visited Pagri from 21 September until 5 November 1811 and had this to say about his room in the town:
- Dirt, dirt, grease, smoke. Misery, but good mutton.
1911 Encyclopedia Britannica:
- Phari is of considerable military importance, and is defended by a large fort or Jong, which was occupied by the British expedition of 1904. Phari Jong is supposed to have been built about 1500 A.D., and was enlarged or rebuilt in 1792, under Chinese advice, as a defense against the British. It has the appearance of a medieval castle, and seems to have been built in imitation of the European style.
Gyantse Jong: 1900-1901
The formidable fortress of the Gyantse Jong with the British and Indian camp in the foreground. 'The Fusiliers thought that, in the hands of European troops it would be impregnable. 'But the Tibetans were poorly armed and led by officers who were in awe of the British. 'The artillery opened up a breach in the walls which was stormed on 6th July 1904.
The image was taken the morning after the capture of the fortress (or jong). A breach was eventually made in the walls by the mountain artillery and then a force of Gurkhas and men from the Royal Fusiliers stormed the fort after a short but bitter fight. During that action Lieutenant John Grant of the 8th Gurkhas won a Victoria Cross (VC).
One of 157 photographs taken by Major MacCarthy Reagh Emmet Ray in Tibet, showing views, groups, artillery in action, camp at Gyantse and portraits, 1904.
Chitishio is a dzong in Tibet. The site is in ruins; it was a Buddhist monastery. Take a look at the Wikipedia page devoted to this Star Fort. Do you think there is something missing in there?
Chitishio Dzong, 1939
Shigatse Jong
KD: Anyways, we have lots of these Jong/Dzong structures, and I barely scratched the surface here. All of these structures have a very suspicions origin. They were not built by the European colonizers. If they were built around 1,500 AD, as some of the Wikipedia articles claim, than by who? Individuals similar to the ones below, Or by someone else?
From the maps above, and from this thread we know, that these structures are located on the Tartarian territory. But according to our anti-historians, the coutry of Tartary has never existed.
So, who built these forts and 13 story buildings in Tebet circa 1,500 AD, or even earlier?