Star shaped towers: what was their purpose?

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I haven't researched them extremely thoroughly, but did notice there seems to be quite an avoidance of actually calling them Star Towers:
Himalayan Towers. Interesting time and place!
  • 'These towers can be found both in cities and in uninhabited regions. They were described for the first time during the Ming dynasty(1368-1644). Carbon dating by Frederique Darragon shows they were built approximately 500-1800 years ago. Since they are generally located in prosperous villages, it is believed that their primary function was as a demonstration of a family's prestige within the community. At that time, wealth was acquired especially by the trade with the Mongols. For strength, many of the towers use a star pattern of walls as opposed to a strictly rectangular method. Heights can exceed 60 metres (200 ft).'
The following Smithsonian article has a few more interesting 'facts': They carbon dated wood, and made guesses...
  • 'Local ignorance of the towers' original purpose may trace to the area's history and geography. A millennium ago, the place was dominated by mountain tribes that, over the centuries, have maintained their isolation; in some areas they can barely speak with one another. "People in one valley usually cannot understand what is said in the next valley," says Darragon, who speaks some Mandarin Chinese and some Tibetan. She wonders if knowledge of the towers that was once passed down orally may have been lost as dialects evolved or disappeared.
  • Darragon was especially intrigued by the more than 40 roughly star-shaped towers she encountered. Some have 8 points, others 12. In both configurations, star-shaped towers are rare, scholars say. At least two others can be found in Afghanistan, including the Minaret of Bahram Shah in Ghazni. Darragon speculates that the star shape makes the Chinese structures less susceptible to tremors. "All the people I asked in the villages said the towers resist earthquakes," Darragon says. And, in fact, she found that the only towers still standing in the Kongpo area of Tibet are star-shaped, though it's certainly conceivable that those structures have survived for reasons other than their supposed earthquake resistance.'
There was also an interesting comment, below this article, stating:
  • In a Chinese documentary series, it is reported chillingly that Genghis Khan told his sons that no matter what, they should anhilate Western Xia. Most did not survive but a few managed to flee - those minyak towers were built by the survivors on the run and still being hunted and burnt out by the Mongols hunting them - they didn't give up trying to wipe out the minyaks.
  • Western Xia's culture was far more developed than the Mongols. So why does this documentary skirt the issue that these towers are the remains of an extermination of an entire kingdom? they even pursued those who fled - who does that remind you of?
  • JEng Jim Millar2 years ago
An Ancient Pages blurb states: 'The star-shaped towers have never been mentioned in centuries-old monastery documents. Furthermore, no trace of this Tibetan mystery could be found in the Chinese chronicles and other older diaries and records of Western travelers... '

Below are some images. I couldn't find many others however the articles say there are many around the area/world. I also included a modern image that came up, for Star Tower.

DuckDuckGo also brought up this article, which tweaked my conspiracy theory antennae: Star Tower Holding, based in Switzerland and London, whose saying on their start page is

SILENTIUM VIRTUTIS CUSTOS
Meaning:
Keeper of Morals. Interesting. More Builders.


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I will separate this into a different thread. Have never heard of them either, but these star towers appear to be deserving a discussion of their own.
 
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I will separate this into a different thread. Have never heard of them either, but these star towers appear to be deserving a discussion of their own.
Sounds good- I thought of that, but wasn't sure.
 

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I've watched a few youtube videos about them awhile back, I thought they had to be some sort of power stations or stretching it, lookout towers, but why would you need so many so close together, power transmitters or watch towers.


 
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@KorbenDallas that's a good association. They seem to be pretty big inside, the Towers. seems like a lot of wasted space for a power pole. At one time I thought about the Towers being places for people to tether their hot air balloons or Zeppelin runabouts at their house when they weren't out in them.
After reading some of the articles, there sure where a lot of them at one time.

I'll find a good interior picture. Maybe they just liked to live high up in towers, just because. Can't find any good pictures of the inside of them to speak of, just this one. Look quite spartan inside.

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Oh look at this, the tower in Afghanistan on the right. It sure looks star shaped, I'll look some more.

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Insane how no one in those documentaries asks the most obvious question of energy. Since basically everything boils down to energy. But the cultural framework doesn't allow to ask these questions.

Interesting how the towers are more or less empty if you take away the stuff added by later generations, like the wood and ladders. Most openings, too.
 
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Great video! It seems, as usual, the later towers may have been bad copies of the older original towers- whatever true dates.
At the end of the video it states Frederique started the Unicorn Foundation to donate etc. Ted Turner & family highly involved. Part of their mission is “Emphasis will be put on environmental protection and sustainable development.”
Unicorns are Illuminati and royal symbolism ( or as Katherine Horton puts it- cartel signaling).
I know this doesn’t say what the towers were for and who built them but who is interested now.
That queen myth may be a lead. I immediately thought, Rapunzel Rapunzel...
 
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@Red Bird that's all news to me, I learn something new every day. Who is interested now is a good point.

There is a thread n the forum about minarets, and i think they are so similar, maybe a little fancier, but could serve the same purpose, whatever that was. What are minarets really for?
 

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My opinion, in nature there are no straight lines. So the earths energy swirls, changes direction, and elevation often. If the shape of an object can change the possible power output, then the topography of the land will act accordingly. Thus everything in those mountains will generate energy. The river is a very powerful source because of the drop along with many switchbacks. then we add the different types of rocks along the banks. Some, Quartz, will generate and store energy.

If the goal was to tap what is called stratospheric electricity, then the knowledge goes way beyond knowing how to build structures, and run the proper metal collectors. One would need an energy meter to check different sites for a hot spot whereby you build your tower on. Knowledge of mathematics, physics, geology, hydraulics, civil engineering and more. These towers creates serious questions.

Has anyone seen a map of the tower locations?
 

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LOL. What a crock of baloney. Where else did I hear that? May be in Bologna...
They do not have the high ground. So they are not for look out or defense.
They might as well say they were built up due to population density.

Smithsonian says they might be be signal towers.

Eric Mortensen, a Tibet scholar at National Taiwan University, who has traveled in the region, says the structures were "likely used as signal towers." He bases that conclusion on their locations, which generally provide a line of sight from one to another

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They are not a secret, like the pyramids, the Chinese just dont want to talk about them.

Some scholars suggest that the towers are not so mysterious after all. "If there's any mystery surrounding them, it's no doubt partly a product of Western mythology around anything Tibetan and the fact that until recently the Chinese forbade access to the region," says Alex Gardner, a Buddhism specialist at the University of Michigan. "I don’t see how they could be called 'unknown' when they are visible for miles, and the region is crisscrossed with trading routes and now automobile roads."

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These are driving me nuts. I found some quite relevant information about round towers and a possible use. Towards the end of the fascination article, he addresses the Himalayan Towers too. I don't know, round, square and star shaped, possibly the shape is not as important as the height.

Irish Round Towers

"Overall, Philip Callahan demonstrated that his model Round Towers functioned as [both] Magnetic Antenna and Radio Wave Guides. " and they seem to stimulate plant growth as well.

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Not all the star shaped towers in Tibet are all the same, they have various shapes, including just round and square.

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I was trying to find the article that had the exact date of the 'first' report from a European on the towers and saw this link at Wickie about the towers called Entering the Demon's House. Weird because there is NOTHING in the article (or any other) about Demon Houses ??

I did find where a Dr. Henderson literally sneaked into Tibet in 1834, but couldn't find the notation where he commented on the 100's of towers- the number being many, many more than mentioned in Frederique's counting. (1834 was the date I remembered, and then the name when I saw it again).

Following are just interesting things I found out about the area. I am definitely NOT a Chinese History scholar, obviously.

he Himalayan Towers also called Stone star-shaped towers, are a series of stone towers located mostly in Kham, a province of premodern Tibet, and in Sichuan. The towers are located principally in the Changtang and Kongpo regions of Tibet as well as in the area inhabited by the modern Qiang people and in the historical region inhabited by the Western Xia.
Western Xia: They made significant achievements in literature, art, music, and architecture, which was characterized as "shining and sparkling"
Genghis intended to annihilate the entire Western Xia culture, and his campaign systematically destroyed Western Xia cities and the countryside, culminating in the siege of the capital in 1227 along with forays into Jin territory. Near the end of the siege, in August 1227, Genghis Khan died from an uncertain cause, though some accounts say he was killed in action against Western Xia. After his death, Yinchuan fell to the Mongols and most of its population was massacred.
Kham: The Kingdom of Derge was an important kingdom in Kham from the 15th to the 19th century. It was a center of industry, religion and politics, with the seat of its kingdom in the town of Degé. The kings of Derge followed a 1300-year lineage.

This is in the supposed time period, and I wondered, what industry were they known for?
It seems to be printing! Weren't we told over and over that there was no written, ancient, history?

The kingdom was known for its metal working and was an important center in the establishment of the Rimé movement in Tibetan Buddhism. The royal family of Derge were known as supporters of art, producing such artists as Situ Panchen, the kingdom's senior court chaplain, who is also known for his contributions to medicine and religion. Regent Queen Tsewang Lhamo (d. 1812) was known for her support of printing and publishing.
Historically, Derge, which means "land of mercy" ....
The town of Derge is famous for its three-storey printing house, or parkhang, built in 1729, where Kangyur, a collection of Buddhist scriptures and Tengyur, a collection of commentaries, are still printed from wooden blocks.

It was established during the reign of Derge king Tenpa Tsering.

Derge produced artist like the Situ Panchen or the 8th Tai Situpa who was a renowned buddhist master helped to revive the tibetan culture, language and helped the King Tenpa Tsering to set up the Derge Parkhang or Derge printing house.

The printing house, run by monks, continues to use its ancient techniques and uses no electricity.
The roof is used for drying the printed sheets.
It has been estimated that the 217,000 blocks stored at Derge comprise 70% of the Tibetan literary heritage.
Ghengis Khan supposedly exacted genocide in the area, earlier then older documentation destroyed, once again.

The Qing government in Beijing then appointed Zhao Erfeng, the Governor of Xining and Army Commander of Tibet to reintegrate Tibet into China. In 1905 or 1908 Erfeng was sent on a punitive expedition and began destroying many monasteries in Kham and Amdo, implementing sinicization of the region:
He abolished the powers of the Tibetan local leaders and appointed Chinese magistrates in their places. He introduced new laws that limited the number of lamas and deprived monasteries of their temporal power and inaugurated schemes for having the land cultivated by Chinese immigrants.
Zhao's methods in eastern Tibet uncannily prefigured the Communist policies nearly half a century later. They were aimed at the extermination of the Tibetan clergy, the assimilation of territory and repopulation of the Tibetan plateaus with poor peasants from Sichuan. Like the later Chinese conquerors, Zhao's men looted and destroyed Tibetan monasteries, melted down religious images and tore up sacred texts to use to line the soles of their boots and, as the Communists were also to do later, Zhao Erfeng worked out a comprehensive scheme for the redevelopment of Tibet that covered military training reclamation work, secular education, trade and administration.
And now, the towers are 'found' again and once more in danger (many disappearing every year) because they were found and now roads need to go into the area, on and on. Frederique finds them, does a documentary that publicizes them, then needs to 'save' them. Okay that's pretty paranoid but I'll go one further. It struck me in the video that she wears sort of 19th century white, high collar shirts and her hair piled in that style, too. I originally thought it was her 'Explorer' look, like we associate with Raiders of the Lost Ark. Could be, but then thinking about it, was more like a farce, a play, a 're-enactment' (like Raiders, or perhaps the Civil War?).

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You made me look. Only so many possibilities for their use, and this is a good one. They have to be lighthouses, signaling beacons, but some are so close together, so whatever they are, people wanted their own near their own houses. Usually neighbors don't share a garage, same deal, get your own tower please. Or they pulled in signals or electricity or who knows what.

Krakatoa - Loss of the Fourth Point Lighthouse
 

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