Single photo: Restoration of missing stonework

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Whilst have a cursory peek into the Baltimore battle monument history in images duckduckgo threw up this site SkyscraperCity
Where this photograph below appeared which shows how easy it is to fake 'old stuff.'
What we are looking at is complete fabrication that has no structural purpose beyond holding itself together as can be seen from the wooden supports. There is no stone in it beyond some crushed into whatever plaster/concrete mix is used to cast these bits into the appearance of stone. Perhaps the final finish is a stone dust/concrete/resin mixture to create the appearance of stone.
I have a pair of dragons in my yard (a British yard not the American yard which in reality here is a garden) and they are made of mixture of crushed stone and resin and they are both weathering just like stone does and they are made by casting the mix in moulds.

The label on the photo says "Sculptors-Recreate-Facade-Elements-Of-Berliner-Schloss" so they are recreating not restoring and the presence of the armature and the foam slices reveals the base to which they stick their castings/mouldings to and finish off by hand.
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So when we look at 'old' buildings my guess is a lot if not all of the 'amazing sculpture' is nothing more than castings and hand finishings made 'in the shop' using the exact same techniques as this chap is using with different types of core materials.

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Maybe it's been done like this for ages. I saw a picture of some Babylonian statues that Muslims were destroying, and there was rebar in one of them! Or some kind of metal supports, anyway. Can't seem to find it now, though. That's what first made me wonder just how much of what we see in museums is really as old as we are told, or if they were carved from stone, or if they are real at all. Why use expensive marble for carvings on a building, when it would be easier and more cost-effective to make them from some kind of molded material over wood or wire? Why make pillars of solid stone when molded stone over brick looks just the same? And we can't tell if it's a thousand years old or two hundred or fifty.
 
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Yes, that's it! Any more details on this image? Love his sandals, I think they're from Birkenstock's Terrorist-on-the-Go line.
From here [link deliberately broken as I have no desire to give the daily mail any free traffic] ht tps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3025502/ISIS-thugs-wreck-historic-site-Extremists-use-sledgehammers-AK-47s-destroy-walls-statues-UNESCO-World-Heritage-site-Iraq.html

The images are true comedy gold and are not attributed to anyone so god alone knows where the newspaper people got them from. Hollywood maybe. It has the feel of a movie set and some very white dust and chips put in an appearance.
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Ancient girders. He would have bounced himself off that ladder when he hit that girder, unless he knew it was there.

And again. Different outfit, same ladder, same sledgehammer same result.
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He must have just pulled those trousers out of wardrobe as you can see the packing crease quite clearly.

And here you can see proof positive he is smashing a casting as the face falls off as he hit the girder.
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more rebar armature.
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Then it just gets too silly.
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And then they got tired so they started up an AK47 !

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The clips are from a video produced by the official Islamic State multimedia propaganda wing (the name I can't remember at the moment). They were released on their official channels then reuploaded on archive.org etc where the media then downloaded it. I'd have a copy somewhere of it because I remember downloading it when I saw there was visible metal in the stonework.
 

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universal international terrorist costume of khaki pants and black top
Classic. All that he is missing is a white Toyota and a US Army tattoo.
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This thread is no doubt related to Eleanor Coade: 19th century owner of a Geo-polymer recipe.

One really needs to question the level of deception and how much of the fertile crescent history has been fabricated.
Jesuitenberg: Why Are There Underground Jesuit Caves in Europe Filled with Egyptian and Islamic Art?

And if the true location of Babylon is here.
Was the Fourth crusade the First one? Was Babylon located in Cairo?
 
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In the same category so posting this. In my estimation a helluva lot of what looks like stone is actually cast stone or/and render.
From here Cast Stone

Cast stone, the legendary lookalike for natural cut stone, has never been surpassed for simulating shaped masonry building elements and landscape features of all kinds. “In one form or another, cast stone has been around for hundreds of years,” explains David West, president of Haddonstone USA in Pueblo, Colorado, “but typically the material is granular limestone, 1 millimeter to 2 millimeter in size, white Portland cement, and silica sand. Small amounts of water are added so that you get a mix about the consistency of beach sand when you make a sand castle.” At Haddonstone, the mix is hand-compacted into a mold during the day, left in the mold overnight, then de-molded before proceeding to a curing process. “Curing uses a fine vapor mist that encourages the hardening of the cement, giving it a conventional, seven-day strength overnight.”

“If somebody is tooling a quarried stone, and they need 50 pieces, they’ve got to cut, sculpt, or carve, them out individually,” says West. “Whereas if we were to produce one mold, we can cast 50 pieces in a significantly shorter space of time; it’s more cost-effective.”

Depending upon the type of limestone used, cast stone can range in color from gray to a beige hue, but products can also be custom-colored by adding dyes to the mix. “This comes into play a lot in renovation and restoration projects, certainly in churches, for instance,”

West’s company typically relies on two types of molds. “One type is timber (wood) that we use with more simplistic profiles such as plinth courses, pier caps, and so on that have a lot of relatively flat surfaces. The other type is a rubber-and-fiberglass shell mold, which we employ to achieve a high level of detail.” The rubber is the actual mold, and flexible enough that it can be pulled away from the detail without breaking any of it off.

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And one way they did it in pre 1906 San Francisco. Technique revealed courtesy of an earthquake.
Check out the columns in the rubble on the right. They had a wrought or cast iron pipe core around which purely decorative 'stone' columns were built.
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Also interesting thing is how no one from official / top / main archeology didn't react on those videos and images with "OMG, discovery of century, 2000+ year old builders used girders and rebar! Proof that they used casting and not stone cutting! What we teached and wrote books is obviously wrong!" Normal people react in wonder when they see rebars but community that revolves about that and should react most is silent.

As sad as it is that this destructions of monuments happened on the other side if I were archeologist this would be uniqe opportunity to learn about these monuments how they were made as usualy you don't get to destroy ancient monument to see whats inside.
 

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Also interesting thing is how no one from official / top / main archeology didn't react on those videos and images with "OMG, discovery of century, 2000+ year old builders used girders and rebar! Proof that they used casting and not stone cutting! What we teached and wrote books is obviously wrong!" Normal people react in wonder when they see rebars but community that revolves about that and should react most is silent.

As sad as it is that this destructions of monuments happened on the other side if I were archeologist this would be uniqe opportunity to learn about these monuments how they were made as usualy you don't get to destroy ancient monument to see whats inside.
That is academia. There is a period of time where you demonstrate you can keep your mouth shut and not cause waves, called tenure.

It is a coincidence or truth in plain sight, that the archeologist's favorite tool is a Marshalltown 45?
Marshalltown| Archaeology | Excavation | Pointing Trowels | Tools Trowel

Plenty of new brick masons here that can confirm pointing trowels are made for restoration/re-pointing not digging.

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From here https://www.concreteconstruction.net/projects/commercial-industrial/the-parthenon-an-exact-replica-of-the-famous-greek-temple_o

The Parthenon: an Exact Replica of the Famous Greek Temple
By Richard W. Steiger


In 1896, Nashville civic leaders planned an exposition that included the buildings of Egyptian, Greek, and Roman styles. A replica of the Parthenon in Athens, Greece, was built to house paintings and other works of art to be shown at the exposition. When the exposition closed, all the buildings were scrapped, with the exception of the Parthenon. But as the plaster facade of the Parthenon replica soon began to deteriorate, planning began for a permanent Parthenon replica.

As the time approached to begin constructing the permanent structure, it became clear that reinforced concrete would be the obvious choice of material. The John Earley Studio of Washington, D. C., was commissioned give the structure the level of finishing quality necessary for such a building. To simulate the color of the original Parthenon, Earley chose a mix of crushed Potomac River gravel and crushed white and pink quartz to which he added a few particles of dark brick red ceramic.

To create the huge Doric columns, Earley's craftsmen built a full-size plaster model, from which they made segmental plaster molds reinforced with burlap and steel pipe.
These were to be assembled at the site as formwork for the exposed concrete surface of the columns. To construct the outside walls, the Earley workers applied an undercoat of portland cement and sand stucco over the brick left over from the centennial Parthenon. The concrete courses were brushed to expose the aggregate, creating an imitation of the stone courses on the ancient Parthenon.

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Another company of people skilled at faking the past.
Restoration | Buffalo Architectural Casting
From a little place called Buffalo no less!

Process

The artisans from Buffalo Architectural Casting are extremely talented and able to replicate sculptures from photographs, original drawings, or existing pieces. The process begins by building the piece out of clay, then forming a rubber mold, into which plaster is poured. This plaster piece can be made to replicate many textures and colors and can be made in either interior or exterior materials.


Any finish you desire.
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They even do sculpture!

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Is it naive to consider these companies have 'public' works and 'private/state' works under their belt?
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Whatever they can do over there they can also do over here.
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ABBEY RUINS, ESSEX

Works to this listed monument were instructed by local authority conservation officers and overseen by English Heritage representatives.

Overview of works

  • Structural propping to leaning Tudor period brick wall
  • Careful dismantle and rebuild with reclaimed Tudor bricks
  • Installation of designed restraints & patress plates to Tudor wall
  • Restoration to sections of Kentish rag stone Abbey walls
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Good innit!
 
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