One-legged skeleton found under Russian dance floor is Napoleon's 'lost general', Charles Etienne Gudin


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Who is this guy?

'More than 200 years after he died of his battlefield wounds in Russia, one of Napoleon Bonaparte’s favourite generals has been formally identified thanks to DNA tests on a one-legged skeleton found under a dance floor....'

Just like that, eh?

'His heirs are now calling for him to receive a state funeral in his native France '

Do it, lets see if they repeat this? Funeral

'Charles Etienne Gudin, whose name is inscribed on the Arc de Triomphe in Paris, died aged 44 on August 22, 1812, after being hit by a cannon ball during Napoleon’s unsuccessful invasion of Russia.

Gudin was personally known to and respected by Napoleon. A bust of his likeness resides in the Palace of Versailles, and a Paris street bears his name.

After his death his heart was cut out and carried to Paris to be placed in a chapel in the French capital’s Père Lachaise cemetery but the precise location of the rest of his body was unknown.

Then in July, a team of French and Russian archaeologists said they unearthed what they believed to be Gudin’s missing remains during a dig in the Russian city of Smolensk, 250 miles west of Moscow'

As you do...

'Records from the period indicate that Gudin was seriously wounded in the Battle of Valutino near Smolensk, close to the border with Belarus, in which 7,000 French perished.

His leg was amputated and he died three days later from gangrene.

The search for his remains began in May, funded by a Franco-Russian group headed by Pierre Malinowski, a historian and former soldier with ties to the French far-right and support from the Kremlin.

The team was confident that the skeleton they found belonged to Gudin but to dispel any doubt sent samples for genetic cross-analysis with DNA from the general's descendants'


“I came back with to France with a piece of femur and teeth,” said Mr Malinowski. He handed them over to an expert in Marseille, southern France, who compared them with remains of Gudin’s brother and sister from the family crypt at Saint-Maurice-sur-Aveyron in the Loiret, central France.

The brother had also been a general of Napoleon.

“The DNA fits 100 per cent,” Mr Malinowski told France Bleu. “There is no longer any doubt.”

"This is the greatest day of my life. Napoleon was one of the last people to see him alive which is very important, and he’s the first general from the Napoleonic period that we have found."

Love this bit...

According to Mr Malinowski, President Vladimir Putin of Russia has taken a personal interest in the case and offered to fly the remains to France. Emmanuel Macron, the French president, was also aware of the discovery.

“Both presidents are enthusiastic” he said, adding that he hoped for a joint ceremony in the general’s honour.

"It will help to bring France and Russia closer together."

Gudin is said to have been one of Napoleon's favourite generals and the two men attended military school together'


Whats the real story here folks?


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being hit by a cannon ball
Fortunately for Napoleon, the bases were loaded at the time, so this forced in a run.

I don't know about this story at all, but you can throw it in the bucket of "who was Napoleon really fighting" with all the rest. Was it common practice to bury high ranking military officers in good standing far from home in an unmarked grave? Were human hearts like dog tags? Can we be sure whose cannonball he got hit with anyway?


This is just hilarious.Two hundred years later they look for, and find a one legged skeleton. Additionally they 100% match the DNA. They might as well buy a whole bunch of lottery tickets, for they cannot lose.

If this does not confirm the events of 1812, I don’t know what does.


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After his death his heart was cut out and carried to Paris to be placed in a chapel in the French capital’s Père Lachaise cemetery but the precise location of the rest of his body was unknown.
Was this practice common in 1812?
I suspect he had a more interpersonal relationship with Napoleon.

FranzGénéral-de-lEmpireCharles-Étienne-GudinNapoleonische-Epoche.jpg 873px-gudin.jpg
I have a hard time believing the average French grunt or veteran would take orders from this guy.

Not a very elaborate chapel for some so revered. Category:Grave of Charles-Étienne Gudin - Wikimedia Commons
It seems to be a very famous cemetery for other reasons.

How are they saying the location was unknown? There is an inscription on the chapel.

Charles César Étienne Count GUDIN, Major General, Commander of the 7th Division of the 1st Corps of the Grand Army, born in Montargis (Loiret) on February 13, 1768, killed in Valoutina-Gora (Russia) on August 19, 1812. His body was was buried in the chapel of Smolensk (Russia). His heart brought back to France by order of the Emperor Napoleon I rests here


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The story very much reminds me of Martin Bormann's supposed fate. The man behind Hitler, you know.
As mentioned in another thread, an exchange of telegrams between Bormann and Heinrich Müller (Gestapo chief at that time) is documented, talking about finding a body double, and (later) making his set of teeth's matching to Bormann's.
On Wackopedia, you find nothing about said double, but this: ( Martin Bormann - Wikipedia )
However, on 7 December 1972, construction workers uncovered human remains near Lehrter station in West Berlin just 12 m (39 ft) from the spot where Krumnow claimed he had buried them.[116] Upon autopsy, fragments of glass were found in the jaws of both skeletons, suggesting that the men had committed suicide by biting cyanide capsules to avoid capture.[117] Dental records reconstructed from memory in 1945 by Hugo Blaschke identified one skeleton as Bormann's, and damage to the collarbone was consistent with injuries that Bormann's sons reported he had sustained in a riding accident in 1939.[116] Forensic examiners determined that the size of the skeleton and the shape of the skull were identical to Bormann's.[117] Likewise, the second skeleton was deemed to be Stumpfegger's, since it was of similar height to his last known proportions.[116] Composite photographs, where images of the skulls were overlaid on photographs of the men's faces, were completely congruent.[117] Facial reconstruction was undertaken in early 1973 on both skulls to confirm the identities of the bodies.[118] Soon afterward, the West German government declared Bormann dead. The family was not permitted to cremate the body, in case further forensic examination later proved necessary.[119]

The remains were conclusively identified as Bormann's in 1998 when German authorities ordered genetic testing on fragments of the skull. The testing was led by Wolfgang Eisenmenger, Professor of Forensic Science at Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich.[120] Tests using DNA from one of his relatives identified the skull as that of Bormann.[120][121]
A succeeding government wouldn't have to cover up anything, would they ?