Ocean bottom discovery: Herodotus Boat

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There are lots of things on the bottom of (and in) the ocean that have yet to be discovered. All of which can help us add mor data points to our dataset and get a better big-picture of what happened and when.

"Herodotus describes the boats as having long internal ribs. Nobody really knew what that meant. … That structure's never been seen archaeologically before," ....
Herodotus dedicated 23 lines of his "Historia" to this type of boat, known as a baris, after seeing the construction of one during his travels to Egypt in 450 B.C. In his writings, Herodotus described how the long barge had one rudder that passed through a hole in the keel, a mast made of acacia wood and sails made from papyrus.

2,500 Years Ago, Herodotus Described a Weird Ship. Now, Archaeologists Have Found it.


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What an awesome find! Thanks for sharing the article.


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Herodotus, said to live 2500 years ago describing the construction of a barge.
Unless he was a shipbuilder or carpenter he wouldn't understand what he was seeing to write about it without asking someone who did know.
Did he turn up at the perfect moment in the barge building process and move on or did he hang around to see it launched?
A launch of anything is an exciting moment did he record the launch process?
Did he mention other types of boats knocking abut or how they were built or what they were used for.

So this 'sunken city' was discovered in 2000. Roger that. Despite a little thing called the second world war where airplanes were very busy in that part of the world full of chaps looking down on the sea for ships, submarines and mines.
It is inconceivable to me that it took another fifty odd years for this 'discovery to surface'.

Ship 17 is this the first they cleaned, photographed, videoed, measured or is is the seventeenth?
Oxford University is a very shady outfit when it comes to forming and enhancing a narrative and the paper chosen to release this 'discovery' was the Guardian a newspaper that 'promotes' the climate change is killing the planet narrative. In short neither are trustworthy sources of anything, to me at least.

Like all such tales it is full of guesses and supposition to big up the 'expert' and spin the narrative, for example.

"Then, we discovered this form of construction on this particular boat and it absolutely is what Herodotus has been saying."
Originally, Ship 17 would have been quite long, measuring up to 92 feet (28 meters), the archaeologists noted. It likely sank in the first half of the fifth century B.C., "but it was probably older than this because it was reused as a piece of maritime infrastructure (a floating jetty) at the end of its working life as a ship,"

And I really do find it too amazing that some ancient can write something about something (and have the writing travel through time) and the thing he writes about (not the exact ship or perhaps it is and ship and book were created together just not 2500 years ago) lays hidden for centuries and then pops up as if out of nowhere to vindicate the ancient tale. Underwater wood lasting 2500 years blimey one would have though one could put wooden piles into seas and lakes and river and build whole cities behind them in 'the past'. No need for stone the wood lasts for centuries.

Very suspect story that mirrors the 'discovery of Pompeii' to me. 'History being made up on the 'fly'.