Mud from the sky, and water from nowhere

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I'm not even sure which sub-forum to post this to. I'm still leaning towards the Geoengineering, but will put this thread into the Mudflood. First of all, I wanted to point out that our "mudflood" has become a term, rather than the actual mechanism of dirt delivery. We have huge amounts of dirt accumulated around many buildings situated within multiple cities of this world. Various elevations question the flood mechanism. At the same time, the presence of dirt does leave a lot of room for speculation.

I wanted to go over a few things here. The points I wanted to cover:
  1. The Great Flood of 1862
  2. Lake Baikal, Russia: the Tsagan Earthquake of 1862
  3. The dust of the regular wind and Blood-rain
1862 Flood
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The Great Flood of 1862 was preceded by weeks of continuous rains and snows in the very high elevations that began in Oregon in November 1861 and continued into January 1862. This was followed by a record amount of rain from January 9–12. The areas affected were:
  1. California
  2. Oregon
  3. Nevada
  4. Washington Territory (today's Washington State)
  5. New Mexico
  6. Utah
  7. Arizona
  8. Idaho
  9. Sonora, Mexico
The event was capped by a warm intense storm that melted the high snow load. The resulting snow-melt flooded valleys, inundated or swept away towns, mills, dams, flumes, houses, fences, and domestic animals, and ruined fields. It has been described as the worst disaster ever to strike California.

ATTENTION: the flood was caused by an ARkStorm. Anyone out here knows what this ARkStorm is? Well...
  • An ARkStorm is a hypothetical but scientifically realistic "megastorm" scenario developed and published by the Multi Hazards Demonstration Project (MHDP) of the United States Geological Survey, based on historical occurrences. It describes an extreme storm that could devastate much of California, causing up to $725 billion in losses (mostly caused by flooding), and affect a quarter of California's homes. The event would be similar to exceptionally intense California storms that occurred between December 1861 and January 1862, which dumped nearly 10 feet of rain in parts of California, over a period of 43 days. The name "ARkStorm" means "Atmospheric River (AR) 1,000 (k)" as the storm was originally projected as a 1-in-1000-year event. However, more recent geologic data suggests that the actual frequency of the event is likely in the 100 to 200 year range.
  • The ARkStorm dumped an equivalent of 10 feet of rainfall in California, in the form of rain and snow, over a period of 43 days.
    • Heavy rainfall began falling in California as the longwave trough moved down over the state, remaining there until the end of January 1862 and causing precipitation everywhere in the state for nearly 40 days.
This 40 day things sounds strikingly familiar doesn't it? And this ARkStorm... even has its own logo these days. Dome, lightning bolt, something below surface... go figure.

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KD Opinion: Our scientists either have no clue what happened, or are not allowed to talk about it. Caused by a hypothetical ARkStorm. Huh? Do they even know where the water came from?

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1862 motion photography worked great...

I was not able to find the flood area map published anywhere close to 1862, so we will have to get satisfied with the one made recently. One of the things to remember is that we were warned.
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The above image made me wonder of how difficult it would be to imagine California being an island at some point in time... in the 17th century to be somewhat exact.

1862 started badly for the people living around Lake Baikal. Between December 30, 1861 and January 12, 1862, the region was hit by multiple, terrifying earthquakes. A seismic hotspot, Baikal was no stranger to earthquakes - with thousands of minor tremors and hundreds of major upheavals documented in the last five hundred years -but none was as powerful as the shock waves of 1861-62. Among widespread damage, the epicenter of one quake in the middle of Lake Baikal unleashed a tsunami of water and ice that rolled over the steppe before being hemmed in by the mountains. More than 200 square kilometers of land fell underwater (and remain so to this day).

In 1862, north of the Selenga's delta, an area of land of about 200 square kilometres sank under water to a depth of 2 metres as the result of an earthquake whose magnitude, as A. Voznesensky stated, reached magnitude 11. The new bay formed on Baikal by the 1862 earthquake was called Proval (gap), and the new water-ways that broke through, the Cape - Oblom (Break-On).

Let's compare
I find things like this highly bizarre and a bit too much to be some non-related coincidences. Check out some of the Baikal related details.
  • Before the quake, old people describe the area of Proval as the Sagan-Moryan (White Steppe), upon which were five Buryat uluses (villages) that gave residence to 1,200 aborigines with their 867 houses and yurts (tents), and more than 17,000 head of cattle. On the New Year's eve (old style) the residents heard a subterranean boom, and water mixed with sand and silt began splashing out of the wells. The frightened people drove off the cattle to more elevated parts of the foothills, but the shaman Petrushka, who enjoyed great respect and indisputable authority, persuaded the people to go back to the steppe, in order to accept the penalty of Burkhan - the god of Baikal. That night when the water came flooding over the steppe, people forced their way to the high shore using either gates torn off their Tiinges, or plain logs. All property and livestock perished.
Some sources used for this Siberian Earthquake:
Now let us take a look at the below image of the aftermath of this Tsagan Earthquake of 1862. This is some unknown (to me) locality. The image is accompanied by the following description:
  • Village destroyed by an earthquake on the shore of Lake Baikal, Siberia, Russia, drawing by Edouard Riou (1833-1900), from Journey from Shanghai to Moscow (1859-1862) by A Possielgue, illustration from Il Giro del mondo (World Tour), Journal of geography, travel and costumes, Volume VI, Issue 13, September 27, 1866
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I can't find a very good scan of this book, but was this really a village that got destroyed? Could it be a city? Getty Images helped out a bit.

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KD: Just to summarize the above two events, I wanted to say the following. We are within the US Civil War time frame of 1861-1865, with all the unreasonable city destruction in the mix. In 1862 we have two seemingly unrelated events of catastrophic proportions which happened literally simultaneously in two distant parts of the world. Some hypothetical ARkStorm is being blamed for the North American disaster. Things lasted for the Biblical duration of 40 days. In Russian Siberia water was coming from beneath the ground.
  • were these events related via the shared artificial causing mechanism?
The Blood Rain
Now, the Blood Rain, Mud Rain and the Dust of the Regular Winds are not seemingly related to the above two occurrences. At the same time, there could be a lot more in common than meets the eye. I ran onto this interesting publication dated with 1850. The mere fact that people were concerned with such things suggests that they were disturbing enough to get studied. Were they trying to figure out how to prevent the dirt from falling from the sky?

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Those interested, can look through the pub themselves. May be you could locate some additional info on these mud-rains. Mud-rains could probably explain a lot. Little pieces of similar information are easy to overlook. But when considering the totality of circumstances, things become much more interesting.

Let us look at some of the older art related to the "mud from the sky."


I'm pretty sure there are multiple other similar type paintings with something brown in the sky. If you come across any other ones, please share.

Related:
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KD: I simply wanted to share a few things. If this discussion can go beyond the info in the OP, that would be great.

Were these events as natural as they seem to appear, or could there be an advanced weapon involved? 1860s were a blast after all:
 
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The last carrington event was around that time..

Solar storm of 1859 - Wikipedia
Wondering how they measured this stuff in 1859. Just reading the description, there could be so many various explanations for the event. Wondering when this "solar storm" label was actually attached to the event.

On Saturday, September 3, 1859, the Baltimore American and Commercial Advertiser reported:
  • Those who happened to be out late on Thursday night had an opportunity of witnessing another magnificent display of the auroral lights. The phenomenon was very similar to the display on Sunday night, though at times the light was, if possible, more brilliant, and the prismatic hues more varied and gorgeous. The light appeared to cover the whole firmament, apparently like a luminous cloud, through which the stars of the larger magnitude indistinctly shone. The light was greater than that of the moon at its full, but had an indescribable softness and delicacy that seemed to envelop everything upon which it rested. Between 12 and 1 o'clock, when the display was at its full brilliancy, the quiet streets of the city resting under this strange light, presented a beautiful as well as singular appearance.
I doubt we will see anything similar in today's news.

Didn't Tunguska event light up the sky as well?
 

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Sorry, which measurements?

Tunguska was described differently iirc. More like a meteoric streak.

Carrington description seems to fit with what we would expect if a solar flare whipped out at us. Sparks in the night. Auroral effects.

Sun is a huge influencing factor on Earth weather. Could be later (mega?) storms or effects were in some way related to that proximate cause.

Carrington event is pretty unparalleled in terms of extremes of space weather that we know of.
 
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Sorry, which measurements?
These ones here.
  • From Wiki: A geomagnetic storm (commonly referred to as a solar storm) is a temporary disturbance of the Earth's magnetosphere caused by a solar wind shock wave and/or cloud of magnetic field that interacts with the Earth's magnetic field.

How did they measure a solar wind shock, and similar things back in 1859?

As far as the Tinguska event goes, the only major difference we appear to have is the alleged epicenter. While certain quotes do sound very reminiscent of the 1859 description:
  • For the next few weeks, reports suggest that the night skies were aglow to such an extent that one could read in their light.
  • Because of the remote location, the Russian Revolution, and Civil War, an expedition did not reach Tunguska until 1927. Initial reports said that it was a meteorite because a celestial phenomenon like the northern lights or aurora borealis could be seen as far south as London
Obviously they measured seismic activity in 1908. How do we know there was not any in 1859? Was stuff like that getting measured back then?

I guess what I’m trying to say here, it appears to be fairly easy to misrepresent any event out there. Without this Tunguska event physical site they could blame the lights in the sky on some geomagnetic storm, and we would never know the difference. Who’s there to say that TBTB was not erasing cities in 1859, which was later presented as some humongous solar storm?

How do we verify stuff like this?
SH opinion on those Cali wildfires:
 

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'How did they measure a solar wind shock, and similar things back in 1859?'

Ah, nod. They couldn't. In fact, it was Carringtons observations and theorising that started that whole ball rolling. Took until the 50s for things to get a bit more practical.

So yeah you are correct. Quantification happened way after the event.

There are further evidences for effects (obv not causes) in ice samples.

Ice cores confirm colossal solar storms | EarthSky.org
 

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While looking for any related happenings in Africa I came across (all wiki) that in 1859 (goes through early 1860’s).
  • John Tyndall discovers that some gases block infrared radiation. He suggests that changes in the concentration of these gases could bring climate change.
If you go to the Tyndall page you find that his experiments were about ‘namely Heat (1863), Sound (1867), and Light (1873), represented state-of-the-art experimental physics at the time they were written.’
  • ‘These and other magnetic investigations very soon made Tyndall known among the leading scientists of the day. He was elected a Fellow of the Royal Society in 1852. In his search for a suitable research appointment, he was able to ask the longtime editor of the leading German physics journal (Poggendorff) and other prominent men to write testimonials on his behalf. In 1853, he attained the prestigious appointment of Professor of Natural Philosophy (Physics) at the Royal Institution in London, due in no small part to the esteem his work had garnered from Michael Faraday, the leader of magnetic investigations at the Royal Institution. About a decade later Tyndall was appointed the successor to the positions held by Michael Faraday at the Royal Institution on Faraday's retirement.’
And there were others doing the same research....That includes for example James Joule, Balfour Stewart, James Clerk Maxwell, George Gabriel Stokes and William Thomson – all names investigating heat or light contemporaneously with Tyndall.

Perhaps their experiments DID affect the earth. All the elements are there.

His death is interesting:
  • In his last years Tyndall often took chloral hydrate to treat his insomnia. When bedridden and ailing, he died from an accidental overdose of this drug in 1893 at the age of 73, and was buried at Haslemere. The overdose was administered by his wife Louisa. “My darling,” said Tyndall when he realized what had happened, “you have killed your John.”’
 
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They did have magnetometers starting with 1833 allegedly. The one below is supposed to represent 1840s.
  • Funny that they had magnetometers, but no toilet paper. If we disregard the Chinese claims, toilet paper came to us in 1857.
  • (not to derail, but a fun observation imho)
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But what are we really dealing with here, and how many truly natural things were among those claimed to be "natural." This entire 1859 thing sounds like an EMP attack.

Interesting that the Solar Storm of 1859 wiki article has the following line in there:
  • Telegraph systems all over Europe and North America failed, in some cases giving telegraph operators electric shocks.
When we get into virtually same stuff, but worded differently - EMP, we end up with a very similar sounding info:
  • An ESD event can damage electronic circuitry by injecting a high-voltage pulse, besides giving people an unpleasant shock.
Of course, EMP's can allegedly be natural (solar storms, etc) and man made, i.e. the Nuclear EMP.

KD: As far as I understand, the only reason we do not consider human interference in 1859 is due to the non-existing technology (officially) of this complexity at the time.
  • I'm wondering what 1859 publications we have pertaining to this event, and its aftermaths. Reading 50 year old stuff is cool, but not that much. Pretty sure we have something, it's just not that easy to fish out. Would really like to see the description of the caused damages. They are so adamant about this 1859 solar storm being the worst one ever, there had to be some consequences in the Mass Media of the time.
  • Wondering whether fasces could've been at play here.
 

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I'm wondering what 1859 publications we have pertaining to this event, and its aftermaths. Reading 50 year old stuff is cool, but not that much. Pretty sure we have something, it's just not that easy to fish out. Would really like to see the description of the caused damages. They are so adamant about this 1859 solar storm being the worst one ever, there had to be some consequences in the Mass Media of the time.
In my post above it shows that there were many top scientists studying this exact thing right at this time. Perhaps they created the carrington event or saw it and were trying to harness, or recreate, it. Perhaps they were successful in a few years.

I didn’t go on about Tyndall’s death but his young wife made sure she was in control of his papers but didn’t release them. Much later others did. Hiding something? He was known for being the one to give great lay speeches to crowds, all over, on this work. Maybe he was giving TOO much away...
Seems like a typical cabal/CIA type operation.

I know this doesn’t solve the mystery but shows there was definitely action going on.
 

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The Blood Rain
Now, the Blood Rain, Mud Rain and the Dust of the Regular Winds are not seemingly related to the above two occurrences. At the same time, there could be a lot more in common than meets the eye. I ran onto this interesting publication dated with 1850. The mere fact that people were concerned with such things suggests that they were disturbing enough to get studied. Were they trying to figure out how to prevent the dirt from falling from the sky?

What I find most interesting from the above article is mention of "earth-sweeping comet-tails". Could you imagine an abundance of water or hydrocarbons or "mud" from the material in comet-tails raining down on us?
 
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What I find most interesting from the above article is mention of "earth-sweeping comet-tails". Could you imagine an abundance of water or hydrocarbons or "mud" from the material in comet-tails raining down on us?
I don’t know. To me it sounds similar to somebody calling an airplane a bird due to the lack of understanding of the observed object.

I can understand a denser atmosphere becoming less dense and dumping a bunch of water in the process. I can even fathom this being caused by a tech device, but how they could get that much dirt in the air is beyond any conventional wisdom at this point. For myself at least that is.
 

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Just wanted to draw more attention to the ARkStorm California projection map. Cripes. It's almost too uncanny.

Tunguska stinks of something. If history has taught us anything, the whole two decades between the event and proper investigation is a red flag. But if they had something to hide, why investigate at all? Doubt there would be any sort of outcry. Throw in some the conspiracy theories that surround that event from Tesla to aliens (actually that's probably most mainstreamish conspiracy fodder...) and it sort of looks like a false flag to me. I have no idea why though... Except to maybe discredit other more verifiable events? Sell space rock fiction?

It's just curious to me what events are somewhat talked about and which ones are completely buried. Tunguska is like something from a Intro to Weirdness 101 class, along with Area 51 and the Philadelphia Experiment to name a few... Maybe I've just lost my mind, haha.
 

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Apparently there is modern data about how when volcanic eruptions are strong enough to launch ash into the Stratosphere it can and does remain there for years. In the case of a supervolcano, (theoretically) decades. This suggests that anything capable of depositing dirt in the stratosphere (or higher), be it comet-tails, debris from planetary near-miss, meteor impact, or even the idea of dust clouds from space—whatever the case, if it's way, way, way up there, it can take quite a while to come down.
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To add to the above thought, to make it weird and interesting, it occurs to me that we live on the "water vapor level." It is rather dense and humid here, and water wants to absorb things and bring them back down to its level, but far above this level it is necessarily a thinner, and drier atmos...sphere..? Atmos! Without the presence of water, things are more...floaty.
 
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I wasn't sure where to post this. It could have gone to at least half a dozen different threads as it touches upon a lot of different topics, from debunking and adding to Chan Thomas' story, to the next reset. Ben Davidson et al's new work is an excellent contribution to the debate. Cosmic Disaster, Solar Micronova, Superflare, Magnetic Reversal, Crustal Displacement, Ice Age, Tsunamis, Volcanoes... it's all here, it's happened before and it's all coming again soon. Science tells us these magnetic events come on a cycle, we are due up again now, and the magnetic field is shifting and accelerating.

 

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