Is this because history before the 1700s didnt exist as we know it?

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I'm like you I don't trust dates I think we can forget everything in 1 or 2 generations and materialism is a failed world view. Academia has failed because it has become a gatekeeper that sequesters and and in some cases destroys information that doesnt fit its worldview. I think the result is its worldview gets narrower and more distorted until here we are, it literally makes no sense. Whether its its history , archeology, paleontology,space ,and even mathematics ,it's nothing but a magic trick. On one hand academia will tell us we are to insignificant to matter cosmically and then tell us we are responsible for "global warming" and every weather phenomenon is our fault,,.just depends on their agenda. That everything is electrical is true but we understand that far less about how that works than some would like to think we do
This is my take on world catastrophes> we have everything to do with the condition of the world by consent. I use the bible and it will tell you exactly what kind of catastrophe will happen as a result of particular behavior, it's uncanny how good a prophet one can become just by knowing these things, ,amaze your friends at parties. LOL! However it isn't just us, there are others beings here and they too do a lot of influencing and and are major players if not the root cause in the catastrophe cycles that we see. You call them electrical forces and so forth and they are, but the book of Enoch says they are luminaries and sentient beings. So we aren't just talking about forces it involves information transmitted to this realm some of it comes from malevolent entities who defied God and some of it comes from God and the forces that serve him. I think it's becoming more obvious but and lots of people are tending to the idea that an overarching civilisation is ruling us and not for our benefit for theirs. Its spiritual like you say and we matter and are major players
Or perhaps, as the Gnostics and the early Greeks tell us, they were capable of shape-shifting, or assuming a form that Enoch would recognize and not freak out over. And so they were perhaps beings of electro-magnetic energy that were capable of appearing, though the ages, in a form that the contemporary citizens would appreciate. To the Egyptians they were gods with heads of hawks, to the Sumerians they had fish tails and some with wings, to the Native Americans they were the water puma, and to the South Americans they appeared as white humans in togas who arose out of Lake Titicaca. The only, and unique feature of present day abduction stories that gives me comfort, is the fact that they are supposedly abducting us to clone a hybrid race. What makes me comfortable with that - is that apparently they are not simply stepping into and assuming human bodies while we are still alive. Nor are they shape-shifting today, or at least not as much as in the past.
 

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Comets both passed close by and struck the earth, causing the fire flood and water floods of recorded history, and their movement over the earth changed our very DNA, in a sort of dumbing-down of the population due to the cosmic rays having an effect on the humans.
i have considered this also, but what if the comet, or parts of, or ice from the aforementioned, contained genetic material? it has been hypothesised that DNA comes from off this world so it's certainly got potential.
i'm talking something virus-like that would affect our DNA, cause mutation/evolution/devolution (take your pick!)
and then there's the native american awareness of the Wetiko "spiritual disease" which they claim basically causes evil behaviours. they explain it as something that happened to humans, and we are infected (or maybe solely europeans and we've spread it throughout the world?)!!
i have read a lot of excerpts from new world chroniclers who claim the native populations were peaceful and relatively crime-free until the arrival/ colonisation of europeans, so these ideas are sort of tied in together...
(its a very hard subject to crack into while in the depths of wetiko influenced sickness ) hahaha
 

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i have considered this also, but what if the comet, or parts of, or ice from the aforementioned, contained genetic material? it has been hypothesised that DNA comes from off this world so it's certainly got potential.
i'm talking something virus-like that would affect our DNA, cause mutation/evolution/devolution (take your pick!)
and then there's the native american awareness of the Wetiko "spiritual disease" which they claim basically causes evil behaviours. they explain it as something that happened to humans, and we are infected (or maybe solely europeans and we've spread it throughout the world?)!!
i have read a lot of excerpts from new world chroniclers who claim the native populations were peaceful and relatively crime-free until the arrival/ colonisation of europeans, so these ideas are sort of tied in together...
(its a very hard subject to crack into while in the depths of wetiko influenced sickness ) hahaha
depends on what you mean by crime free in a great number of these cultures it was okay to sacrifice people to please Gods. Not really fair to blame europeans when all you have to do is look at public art of empires throughout history .Slavery was /is widely practised in every Empire and it was practised by native americans before europeans got here . This notion that everything was love and peace before the evil white man is redaction of the past and not supported by evidence. Oppression human trafficking, slavery ,sex slavery ,war, demon possession, sorcery ritual human sacrifice,all widely practised worldwide throughout time. 25 cultures <and that's the short list.
We may not have a cohesive history but the hard records of the people that we do have proudly depict acts of murder ,mutilation and horrible suffering inflicted not on criminals but people chosen for their beauty ,virtue ,innocence, age or skill, or because they were war captives typically in the name of a god who is coincidently associated with a celestial body, the Sun and Moon and the seven planets usually. So back to the communication and influence of same Deut 19 9 When you look to the heavens and see the sun and moon and stars— all the host of heaven— do not be enticed to bow down and worship what the LORD your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven. So we don't end up degenerating to the point where we think it's Holy to slaughter people wholesale and do unspeakable acts to please weird Gods. They have an effect on human consciousness, clearly .
 

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i have considered this also, but what if the comet, or parts of, or ice from the aforementioned, contained genetic material? it has been hypothesised that DNA comes from off this world so it's certainly got potential.
i'm talking something virus-like that would affect our DNA, cause mutation/evolution/devolution (take your pick!)
and then there's the native american awareness of the Wetiko "spiritual disease" which they claim basically causes evil behaviours. they explain it as something that happened to humans, and we are infected (or maybe solely europeans and we've spread it throughout the world?)!!
i have read a lot of excerpts from new world chroniclers who claim the native populations were peaceful and relatively crime-free until the arrival/ colonisation of europeans, so these ideas are sort of tied in together...
(its a very hard subject to crack into while in the depths of wetiko influenced sickness ) hahaha
If you happen to have a chance, read the reports from the French priests who first arrive in the region of Canada. They have one relation that tells of a Native American with this type of spiritual disease or some type of spirit that enters him, and I swear it makes one think of a modern day report of alien abduction. Nearly the same terms, but expressed in sixteenth century language.
 

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I think its done to make sure they dont know about the vikings which could stir up or be used as a support for nationalism... Aka self preservation. A culture with no identity, true or false is easier to rework and be replaced, which is happening to a Lot of euro countries, but none worse than sweden i think whose population has seemingly been lobotomised.
Nah, hubris, talking like the big bad wolf, putting missiles in countries such as Poland is much more fun. Who has time and money to check those containers coming into the country. Who needs to breathe in aluminum nanoparticless and microplastics from stratospheric aerosol injection from the engineered eastern U.S. cool-downs when the sodium fluorosilicate in the water supply did its job before I was even born (the Johnson misadministration).

I am amazed at the reaction to murder mysteries such as Matlock and Murder She Wrote where at least 90% of the "murders" are cases where a-hole domestic terrorists commit suicide by proxy, suicide by not a cop. Sounds like the writers make a great case for Viking law and justice, but no one seems to see it - hidden in plain sight.

If I seem P.O.ed over nonsense, it is because all I have left is ridicule.
 

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depends on what you mean by crime free in a great number of these cultures it was okay to sacrifice people to please Gods. Not really fair to blame europeans when all you have to do is look at public art of empires throughout history .Slavery was /is widely practised in every Empire and it was practised by native americans before europeans got here . This notion that everything was love and peace before the evil white man is redaction of the past and not supported by evidence. Oppression human trafficking, slavery ,sex slavery ,war, demon possession, sorcery ritual human sacrifice,all widely practised worldwide throughout time. 25 cultures <and that's the short list.
We may not have a cohesive history but the hard records of the people that we do have proudly depict acts of murder ,mutilation and horrible suffering inflicted not on criminals but people chosen for their beauty ,virtue ,innocence, age or skill, or because they were war captives typically in the name of a god who is coincidently associated with a celestial body, the Sun and Moon and the seven planets usually. So back to the communication and influence of same Deut 19 9 When you look to the heavens and see the sun and moon and stars— all the host of heaven— do not be enticed to bow down and worship what the LORD your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven. So we don't end up degenerating to the point where we think it's Holy to slaughter people wholesale and do unspeakable acts to please weird Gods. They have an effect on human consciousness, clearly .
I suppose this could go with the speculative astronomy thread, but it sounds so like the above, I just HAD to share.
"All moons, all years, all days, all winds, reach their completion and pass away. So does all blood reach its place of quiet, as it reaches its power and its throne. Measured was the time in which they could praise the splendour of the Trinity. Measured was the time in which they could know the Sun's benevolence. Measured was the time in which the grid of stars would look down upon them; and through it, keeping watch over their safety, the gods trapped within the stars would contemplate them."
I think it's from the Chilam Balam of Chumayel. Quoted in The Great Pyramid Decoded by Peter Lemesurier.
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Or?... Another one from same book.
"The morning star reaps its reward and enters the depths of matter to suffer agony. The soul starts to climb the ladder again and is purified. Having become perfect, it next gains the light of full consciousness.
Thus it survives the ordeal and attains freedom from the material world.
Now finally perfected, it becomes godlike and achieves union once more with the Divine."
Some DEEP insights there, if you're not too polarized to see them...
 
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Maybe just the last couple decades. Pretend the 60s and 70s didn't happen.
Without even the truth in regards to political and religious movements and posturing, why bother? "Great Depression" and all that shit. We don't even have this century straight and clear.
There have been experiments where a guide takes a group on hikes through the woods and then does so again a few weeks later, but this time around manages to convince everyone they saw extraterrestrials on their previous encounter. Perhaps a few members of the group merely just stopped arguing. The reality is few remember what they heard on the news three weeks ago well enough for The Powers That Should Not Be (TPTSNB) to flip the script perhaps within that time frame.

Indeed on the morning of 11 September 2001 (I prefer not to use their memes and buzzwords like 9/11 which has an automatic information operations / programming effect in favor of the official narrative by setting people into their desired mode of thinking) the script was flipped 180 degrees within more like three hours if that. It was the event that got even people who think everything they hate (and do not understand) as some sort of Jewish conspiracy such as fractional reserve banking, socialism, and social welfare states to hate Mooslim Ayrabs (their termonology, elementary enough for them to understand, not mine) and want Ayrab cities nuked. It apparently had the same effect on Jewish blood libelists such as Kurt Saxon.

Then there is the fact that the U.S. has been deindustrializing since about 1973 and falsifying economic data since 1994 (as if 1990 or 1980 series data was not bad enough to begin with). Industrial production has grown (if official figures are to be believed) 5% since 2000. The population has grown slowly yet energy consumption remains the same. Perhaps modest increases in energy efficiency stretched out over several years (mostly much more efficient vehicles and light bulbs) has prevented increases due to population growth. There is, nor will there be, a green economy. I do not take seriously a $40 trillion Green New Deal or going back to the Moon (if we even went their in the first place). Some things, if they were going to be done, would have been done so already. The Treasury, Federal Reserve, and the Swiss National Bank have made plenty of cheap, almost free money available for such projects. Obviously, there is no way from energy consumption data alone that economic growth could be 2.5% per year.

The U.S. has been in a Greater Depression for a very long time with unemployment at 23% according to John Williams of Shadowstats (not to be confused with the presstitute John Williams of the New York Fed) and no end in sight. Even if unemployment had been higher for a few years in the early to mid-1930s, the width of the trough this time around more than makes up for any lack in depth. The Great Recession, that was more like 1996.

In comparison, the U.S. economy grew 50% in the 1920s and 60 in the 1960s (real GNP).
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It's a different take on what we think we know at present, and certainly outside of the box. I have a feeling that you may be on to something. Today I was reading from the Book of Thomas and Book of Judas, and something that has been attributed to Jesus struck me in relation to your idea. He said that God was not a corporal being, but something very close to a spirit of light. Light being a frequency, it could just as easily represent electro-magnetic energy. I always found it intriguing that he referred to himself as a Son or Sun of God, and that we all had god inside of us. Which would indeed be the case if we contained a portion of one of the sun's of the ages in our DNA mixture. I haven't got it all placed in the correct framework in my mind, but it does seem to strike up a resonance there for me. This would make a good outline for a book - a scientist comes to realize that his search for the event that set off the big bang is related to his coming to understand that a light ray of God the creator was inside of all of our DNA; in the so-called "junk" area. But perhaps I am stretching too far?
Our elements (except hydrogen) supposedly come from the fusion in stars. Even Carl Sagan said "we are made of star stuff" back in 1980 in the Cosmos series. Strange how people such as Elizabeth Montgomery, Carl Sagan, John Denver, and others, we seem to lose a lot of them early.
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I'm like you I don't trust dates I think we can forget everything in 1 or 2 generations and materialism is a failed world view. Academia has failed because it has become a gatekeeper that sequesters and and in some cases destroys information that doesnt fit its worldview. I think the result is its worldview gets narrower and more distorted until here we are, it literally makes no sense. Whether its its history , archeology, paleontology,space ,and even mathematics ,it's nothing but a magic trick. On one hand academia will tell us we are to insignificant to matter cosmically and then tell us we are responsible for "global warming" and every weather phenomenon is our fault,,.just depends on their agenda. That everything is electrical is true but we understand that far less about how that works than some would like to think we do
This is my take on world catastrophes> we have everything to do with the condition of the world by consent. I use the bible and it will tell you exactly what kind of catastrophe will happen as a result of particular behavior, it's uncanny how good a prophet one can become just by knowing these things, ,amaze your friends at parties. LOL! However it isn't just us, there are others beings here and they too do a lot of influencing and and are major players if not the root cause in the catastrophe cycles that we see. You call them electrical forces and so forth and they are, but the book of Enoch says they are luminaries and sentient beings. So we aren't just talking about forces it involves information transmitted to this realm some of it comes from malevolent entities who defied God and some of it comes from God and the forces that serve him. I think it's becoming more obvious but and lots of people are tending to the idea that an overarching civilisation is ruling us and not for our benefit for theirs. Its spiritual like you say and we matter and are major players
Just because we are insignificant as far as the universe is concerned does not mean what we do to Mother Earth does not matter. If uniformitarianism is not correct but catastrophism is, then perhaps the Anthropocene Era is not so unusual as far as length of Era and speed of events. Perhaps the Eocene Epoch was not 56 to 33.9 million years ago and we came close to Venus Syndrome much more recently than 55 million years ago. If not, we do not stand a snowball's chance on the Venusian surface.
 
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There have been experiments where a guide takes a group on hikes through the woods and then does so again a few weeks later, but this time around manages to convince everyone they saw extraterrestrials on their previous encounter. Perhaps a few members of the group merely just stopped arguing. The reality is few remember what they heard on the news three weeks ago well enough for The Powers That Should Not Be (TPTSNB) to flip the script perhaps within that time frame.

Indeed on the morning of 11 September 2001 (I prefer not to use their memes and buzzwords like 9/11 which has an automatic information operations / programming effect in favor of the official narrative by setting people into their desired mode of thinking) the script was flipped 180 degrees within more like three hours if that. It was the event that got even people who think everything they hate (and do not understand) as some sort of Jewish conspiracy such as fractional reserve banking, socialism, and social welfare states to hate Mooslim Ayrabs (their termonology, elementary enough for them to understand, not mine) and want Ayrab cities nuked. It apparently had the same effect on Jewish blood libelists such as Kurt Saxon.

Then there is the fact that the U.S. has been deindustrializing since about 1973 and falsifying economic data since 1994 (as if 1990 or 1980 series data was not bad enough to begin with). Industrial production has grown (if official figures are to be believed) 5% since 2000. The population has grown slowly yet energy consumption remains the same. Perhaps modest increases in energy efficiency stretched out over several years (mostly much more efficient vehicles and light bulbs) has prevented increases due to population growth. There is, nor will there be, a green economy. I do not take seriously a $40 trillion Green New Deal or going back to the Moon (if we even went their in the first place). Some things, if they were going to be done, would have been done so already. The Treasury, Federal Reserve, and the Swiss National Bank have made plenty of cheap, almost free money available for such projects. Obviously, there is no way from energy consumption data alone that economic growth could be 2.5% per year.

The U.S. has been in a Greater Depression for a very long time with unemployment at 23% according to John Williams of Shadowstats (not to be confused with the presstitute John Williams of the New York Fed) and no end in sight. Even if unemployment had been higher for a few years in the early to mid-1930s, the width of the trough this time around more than makes up for any lack in depth. The Great Recession, that was more like 1996.

In comparison, the U.S. economy grew 50% in the 1920s and 60 in the 1960s (real GNP).
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Our elements (except hydrogen) supposedly come from the fusion in stars. Even Carl Sagan said "we are made of star stuff" back in 1980 in the Cosmos series. Strange how people such as Elizabeth Montgomery, Carl Sagan, John Denver, and others, we seem to lose a lot of them early.
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Just because we are insignificant as far as the universe is concerned does not mean what we do to Mother Earth does not matter. If uniformitarianism is not correct but catastrophism is, then perhaps the Anthropocene Era is not so unusual as far as length of Era and speed of events. Perhaps the Eocene Epoch was not 56 to 33.9 million years ago and we came close to Venus Syndrome much more recently than 55 million years ago. If not, we do not stand a snowball's chance on the Venusian surface.
I neither accept the Eocene nor claims that we are star stuff. If Venus has a surface we should stay off of it and Venus should stay off of Earth
Or it was just this
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SPACE MADNESS!!
HollyHoly has no idea what Venus Syndrome means.

Global Geoengineering Fueling Venus Syndrome
HollyHoly has no idea what Venus Syndrome means.

Global Geoengineering Fueling Venus Syndrome
thanks Sonofabush I did kinda have and idea because since I can remember giant brained space scientists have been telling us that Venus is a perfect example of what greenhouse effect (Venus Syndrome used be greenhouse effect but that wasn't scary enough, I think because a greenhouse is where you grow plants) will do to Earth. I sure hope we dont die of the Venus Syndrome.😷 but if we do, not to worry there's a million planets out there and some of them probably have advanced civilisations because they were smart enough to hang all their alchemists and witch doctors. :coffee: I like that story you told about about the wilderness guide gaslighting those hikers.
 

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thanks Sonofabush I did kinda have and idea because since I can remember giant brained space scientists have been telling us that Venus is a perfect example of what greenhouse effect (Venus Syndrome used be greenhouse effect but that wasn't scary enough, I think because a greenhouse is where you grow plants) will do to Earth. I sure hope we dont die of the Venus Syndrome.😷 but if we do, not to worry there's a million planets out there and some of them probably have advanced civilisations because they were smart enough to hang all their alchemists and witch doctors. :coffee: I like that story you told about about the wilderness guide gaslighting those hikers.
How about hanging corporatist thugs, doctors, and their presstitutes instead. Or is that what you were really referring to, the political and socio-economic equivalent of alchemists and witch doctors.
 

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the whole kit and kaboodle of them my friend they all serve the same Archonic Vampires its corruption that goes deep and it wormed its way into humanity's psyche very very hard habit to break,I don't actually think it can be broken. <Warning!!! don't read this next part if you are atheist or gnostic>That's why we need Jesus, because the whole system was set up so you can't get out without him.
 

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the whole kit and kaboodle of them my friend they all serve the same Archonic Vampires its corruption that goes deep and it wormed its way into humanity's psyche very very hard habit to break,I don't actually think it can be broken. <Warning!!! don't read this next part if you are atheist or gnostic>That's why we need Jesus, because the whole system was set up so you can't get out without him.
BECOME the Christ, my sister. In SPIRIT and in TRUTH. Reread that book. BETWEEN the lines, not what others are spouting.
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