Instances of Giant humans on the early 17th century engravings

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very bizzare drawings! full of anomalous stuff, and its all presesnted as being mundane!
 
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Ran into a couple instances of what appears to be giant people depicted on two different engravings. Both are dated 1612.

1. Les Magnificences publiques du carrosel fait en la place royale de Paris (this ona has unicorns as well)

2. Dessein des pompes et magnificences du carousel faict en la place royalle a Paris



May be if @in cahoots could help out with translation... description to both engravings is in French. Wondering what the commotion in the images is all about.
From what I can tell, both seem to be engravings for the festivities, carousel, of the marriage of King Louis XIII of France and Anne of Austria in 1612 Paris. One is by Jan Ziarnko, a Polish engraver, and the other by Claude Chastillon, a topographer and architect.

The engravings being portrayed by two different people gives credence to the actual presence of any attractions that are shown across both.

I’m spotting, giants, dragons, unicorns, pegasi in one winged people in the other, elk, elephants, lions, rhinos, and several other animals I can’t directly identify.

I just want to note that some of those giants bear a striking resemblance to many representations I have seen of the Tartars.

It looks like each engraver numbered or lettered each group or attraction and I would love to see the key with each one named.

While I am by default a skeptic, these two engravings are certainly interesting to see. Thanks for the post.
 
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From what I can tell, both seem to be engravings for the festivities, carousel, of the marriage of King Louis XIII of France and Anne of Austria in 1612 Paris. One is by Jan Ziarnko, a Polish engraver, and the other by Claude Chastillon, a topographer and architect.

The engravings being portrayed by two different people gives credence to the actual presence of any attractions that are shown across both.

I’m spotting, giants, dragons, unicorns, pegasi in one winged people in the other, elk, elephants, lions, rhinos, and several other animals I can’t directly identify.

I just want to note that some of those giants bear a striking resemblance to many representations I have seen of the Tartars.

It looks like each engraver numbered or lettered each group or attraction and I would love to see the key with each one named.

While I am by default a skeptic, these two engravings are certainly interesting to see. Thanks for the post.
yep indeed, they depict mythical stuff as being 100% normal and not paranormal just curiosities, very bizzare
 

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I don't understand why the history of giants is being kept secret. It seems to be accepted that there were a lot of giant things in the past like centipedes and cats (known as sabre-toothed tigers), megaladons, wooly mammoths, etc. Even if homosapiens sapiens did wipe out a race of giants, it's not as though we didn't wipe out the Neanderthals too. I don't think anyone alive today is consumed with guilt over that. I think we could handle the truth.
 
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Well, first of all it would probably crush the entire structure of the contemporary human related science making generations of “scholars” look like a bunch of bafoons.

Simultaneously it would probably do the same with a whole bunch of dominant religions.

And most important of them all. I think there is a very serious reason for them to hide the existence of giants. And this reason is directly connected to all the other shenanigans.
 

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There are many examples of their being huge versions of many animals we have today. Its quite confusing because why did the smaller of us survive? Is there something purely physical that enables smaller species to survive? Is there conditions that we can handle?

For example I remember seeing a TV Documentary on Dinosaurs (which now most of those facts are pretty much null now) but one of the explanations they gave for the dinosaurs huge size is that there was a lot more oxygen on the planet '65 million' years ago. Earth was completely filled with trees, life and ever changing species. If we are to believe that the basics of science are correct, more oxygen in our atmospheres does promote growth and prosperity for anything living.

A quote from an article about over-oxygenization
"One way to decrease the risk of oxygen toxicity would have been to grow bigger" Why Giant Bugs Once Roamed the Earth

They say this only matters for insects and bugs but I'd like to think it somewhat matters for other species too.

Was there once a large supply of oxygen that enabled humans to grow to such heights, possibly think smarter and operate smarter?
Did lack of oxygen due to natural or man-made disaster weaken these large humans in order for the smaller more accustom humans to take control?

In @KorbenDallas post about Siberian Forest there was discussion on how a large majority of our forests spanning the earth that are only a few hundred years old in dating.

"Trees renew our air supply by absorbing carbon dioxide and producing oxygen. The amount of oxygen produced by an acre of trees per year equals the amount consumed by 18 people annually. One tree produces nearly 260 pounds of oxygen each year. "

That number adds up to ALOT if you think about just how many trees there are on earth.

We have an estimated 400 billion to 3 Trillion trees (thats a huge range but I guess I could understand its hard to measure the amount of trees but really 400b to 3 trillion?)

I'm no oxygen scientist so I don't know how much 'pounds' really validates to oxygen output but
3(t) x 260 pounds = 780000000000000 (780 Trillion) and these are only from our new forests

We don't have any way to account for the number of trees in the past but just imagine the difference in oxygen ouput?
How much would that effect an eco system if suddenly millions maybe even billions, trillions? of pounds of oxygen disappeared from the atmosphere.

Random Quote - "Large active animals require abundant oxygen together with effective means of distributing it throughout the body. This truism led to the hypothesis that gigantism in Late Paleozoic arthropods on land was made possible by oxygen levels in the atmosphere that were 20% to perhaps 33% higher than today's "
 
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The theory I’ve heard is based on the Japanese bansai tree growing process. The air pressure affects the size. Any serious alteration of the air pressure will affect the size of the living area object.
 

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And most important of them all. I think there is a very serious reason for them to hide the existence of giants. And this reason directly connected to all the other shenanigans.
Could you expound on this, please?
 
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I wish I knew the answer to that one. I guess what I was trying to say, there is a common denominator for all the things we struggle to explain, amingst which are the giants.

And that common denominator explains everything and is the reason for hiding.
 
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Good find! Thanks.
Is that a rat person on the bottom right?
Was there once a large supply of oxygen that enabled humans to grow to such heights, possibly think smarter and operate smarter?
Did lack of oxygen due to natural or man-made disaster weaken these large humans in order for the smaller more accustom humans to take control?
Sorry I don't have the references, but many historic tales of Giants tend to portray them as big and dumb or slow-witted which fits with what you said if those tales were recorded after a possible lowering of oxygen.
I'm no oxygen scientist so I don't know how much 'pounds' really validates to oxygen output but
3(t) x 260 pounds = 780000000000000 (780 Trillion) and these are only from our new forests
If there is any credence to the tales of ancient giant trees I wonder how much more oxygen such would produce in comparison.
The theory I’ve heard is based on the Japanese bansai tree growing process. The air pressure affects the size. Any serious alteration of the air pressure will affect the size of the living area object.
From my understanding, greater atmospheric pressure often corresponds with greater vapor pressure or humidity. Under greater vapor pressure plants will more easily obtain water and have a lower rate of water loss. This pressure also affects water retention in plants.

Trees are able to send water up their trunks due to pressure differentiation. The higher the pressure at the base, the lower the pressure at the top, the more easily they are able to send water up. They can even create negative pressure in order to enable greater potential height. Thus greater atmospheric pressure at ground level allows trees to grow taller as there is a larger pressure differentiation, adding more to possible larger trees in the past theory.

It could even be possible that the pressure differentiation would allow the hearts of mega fauna and Giants to more easily circulate the blood from the feet all the way up to the head.
I wish I knew the answer to that one. I guess what I was trying to say, there is a common denominator for all the things we struggle to explain, amingst which are the giants.

And that common denominator explains everything and is the reason for hiding.
At the very least, hiding the existence of Giants seems to be part of the general erasing and rewriting of history.
 
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Good find! Thanks.
Is that a rat person on the bottom right?

Sorry I don't have the references, but many historic tales of Giants tend to portray them as big and dumb or slow-witted which fits with what you said if those tales were recorded after a possible lowering of oxygen.

If there is any credence to the tales of ancient giant trees I wonder how much more oxygen such would produce in comparison.

From my understanding, greater atmospheric pressure often corresponds with greater vapor pressure or humidity. Under greater vapor pressure plants will more easily obtain water and have a lower rate of water loss. This pressure also affects water retention in plants.

Trees are able to send water up their trunks due to pressure differentiation. The higher the pressure at the base, the lower the pressure at the top, the more easily they are able to send water up. They can even create negative pressure in order to enable greater potential height. Thus greater atmospheric pressure at ground level allows trees to grow taller as there is a larger pressure differentiation, adding more to possible larger trees in the past theory.

It could even be possible that the pressure differentiation would allow the hearts of mega fauna and Giants to more easily circulate the blood from the feet all the way up to the head.

At the very least, hiding the existence of Giants seems to be part of the general erasing and rewriting of history.
Not sure how it ties to humidity without thought or research, but vapor pressure is how readily a liquid converts to vapor at a given temperature and pressure. For example, an amount of water at a given temperature, humidity and pressure will have a given vapor pressure. This will tell you how much water will turn to water vapor over a given time. Not all liquids have a vapor pressure at typical temperatures. This is my understanding.

Mercury, while not harmful as a liquid, has a vapor pressure at typical room temperature and pressure, and as such can be very hazardous if left open to the air. This is why mercury must be kept in an airtight container and usually is stored with water on top of it.
 
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