Inconvenient questions about the war; Just a few queries the world should answer before we do it all once more

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[this is a russian article that I found interesting and wanted to discuss sorry if some of it isn't translated perfectly i hope you get the gist: source]

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1. Why did the war begin in the USSR?

In the official Soviet historiography (and in the current Russian, which is not far from the Soviet), the theme of the unexpected and sudden start of the war was always pedaling - this was strongly emphasized in works of art and official Soviet propaganda. For example, in the old Minsk museum on the theme of war (which was opened during Soviet times), the first hall began with the figure of a giant German foam tank that breaks the “non-aggression pact” by Ribbentrop-Molotov, and in the old Soviet epic film “The Fall of Berlin” "The war finds the main character in the field, where German bombs are suddenly falling on his head. By the way, nobody has yet explained to me why and why the Germans in this film bombed an empty field.

In fact, all these stories, calculated purely on an emotional reaction, were intended to stir up the essence of the event itself - and why, in fact, did the war begin on the territory of the USSR? What did the Soviet Union do to prevent this war? No one has ever really answered these questions - because they will pull many other questions that are extremely inconvenient for the USSR - this is the so-called "Winter War" of 1939 against Finland, as well as the division of Poland - in which the USSR and Germany acted as allies and even held a joint parade in Brest.

In general, no one ever asked these questions to the Soviet government, as no one asks these questions and now it is easier to glue the stickers "Going to Berlin for Germans!" On cars. and from time to time shout "we can repeat!".

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2. What did the USSR prepare for before June 1941?

An extremely inconvenient question for all screamers “we can repeat” - but what, actually, did the USSR prepare for before June 1941? In the USSR, they loved to tell tales about the "extremely weak and unprepared Red Army" - but in reality these stories are far from the truth. By 1935, the Red Army was a very impressive force — there were 119 divisions in the land forces (87 infantry and 32 cavalry), as well as 17 separate brigades — 12 tank and 5 infantry. The personnel of this army numbered almost a million people, they had 4,400 tanks, tankettes and armored cars. There was also aviation and fleet - there were still 220 thousand people serving there, and for the next 6 years these forces only continued to accumulate.

By June 1941, the Red Army of the USSR was an impressive and formidable force that could stop any army of then-Europe if it were really preparing for defense . There is a logical assumption - that the USSR was preparing not for defense, but for something completely different. What exactly? I would like to remind you about my long-time post “How the USSR wanted to conquer the whole world” - in fact, the Red Army was preparing for the “liberation campaign against Europe”. This is also indicated by the events of the first days of the war - the Germans took entire echelons without a fight, on the platforms of which the brand-new KV tanks were in oil, as well as others. They did not stand on combat positions - but stood on cargo platforms, ready for “sending to the West” - 6.5 thousand tanks actually “gave” to the enemy, tripling the composition of the German tank forces.

If the USSR really was preparing to defend itself - no Hitler would have advanced further than Brest. I want to remind you what the war of a country looks like, which really was preparing to defend itself - in 1939, little Finland resisted against the most powerful army of the USSR, having beaten off the enemy with 1 to 7 losses - there were 7 killed Soviet soldiers per Finn killed.

No one in the USSR has ever raised these questions - what was the Soviet Union actually preparing for before the summer of 1941? In today's Russia, these questions, too, unfortunately, are not accepted.

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3. Why 1.5 million Soviet citizens fought against the USSR?

Soviet historiography tells tales that "the entire Soviet people rose to battle with the enemy," trying to oblige the actual catastrophe of 1941 - as many as 4 million soldiers in 1941 were captured by the Germans, and more than a million former Soviet citizens actually went over to the side the enemy and began to fight against the USSR. There was even a separate Lokot republic on the territory of the USSR - it existed from 1941 to 1943 and was subordinated to the German invaders, and also had its own army.

In Soviet historiography they mentioned “individual names of traitors”, sometimes they could remember Vlasov, but they tried not to mention the number of people fighting against the USSR - it seemed that Vlasov was some kind of forest gangster with a couple of dozen minions - and meanwhile, Vlasov's army there were at least 130 thousand people , including at war under the white-blue-red tricolor, and its leaders regarded the Second World War on the territory of the USSR as a continuation of the “Civil War” twenty years ago . In total, taking into account other units and rear units, more than a million Soviet citizens fought on the side of the invaders - different researchers cite numbers from 1 to 2 million.

Why did it happen so? Is the Soviet government guilty of this with its extra fortifications, repressions against the Cossacks, dispossession and the Holodomor organized? Or maybe it was due to the policies of Stalin, who sent all those who were in captivity to concentration camps? Is it possible to imagine such a percentage of traitors for example in Finland, which the USSR attacked two years earlier? If not, then why? - all these questions were not asked in the USSR, and are not asked now. Easier to shout "we can repeat!" What can you repeat? Million collaborators?

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4. Why did the USSR suffer such terrible losses in a war?

Another question that did not arise in the Soviet years and does not rise now — why the Soviet Union suffered such huge losses during the war, the full figure of which is by the way unknown until now — terrible figures from 20 to 40 or more millions are called. And here again I want to remember the country that was really preparing to fight in defense - Finland, which lost 4 thousand soldiers killed in 4 months of the war, inflicting losses on the enemy in the ratio of 1 to 7 - for each killed Finn there were 7 killed Red Army soldiers.

The Soviet troops suffered colossal losses regardless of whether they were involved in defense or attack - until 1943 the ratio was 1 to 10, after 1943 it was 1 to
5q. Why did the Soviet commanders fought so ineptly, preferring to shower them with corpses instead of planning operations more carefully, trying to save people? Just think about it - because of such a command, tens of millions of young people died - and this demographic hole is still felt in Russia today.

Instead of thoroughly investigating the causes of this tragedy, it’s easier, of course, to glue the car stickers "Let's get to Berlin again!" Do you want to line your way again with the millions killed?

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5. What was really the Blockade, why not evacuated Stalingrad?

Actually - these are the questions, the answers to which are not present until now, already 74 years after the end of the war. After so many years, no one has yet answered the question - what the Blockade of Leningrad really was, why didn’t they evacuate those who were not engaged in production, why was everything in the “special table”? These are very inconvenient questions for the modern Russian authorities, one of whose deputies recently said something like - “it’s time for us to check all the Super-jet planes, this time ordinary people were burned , and can you imagine what would happen if the plane with the powers that be on fire?” ". Nobody tells the whole truth about the Blockade because the class division of people into varieties existed then and remains today.

Another uncomfortable question in the course of the hostilities - why was Stalingrad not promptly evacuated? The fighting near the city and in the city itself lasted almost half a year - and only about a quarter of the population was evacuated from the city - only 100 thousand people out of 400 thousand. According to one version, the city was not evacuated because "soldiers will not protect empty buildings." This is a very scary version, which also speaks far from in favor of the Soviet government.

And these are just two examples - such uncomfortable questions can be asked very, very much during the war - but now nobody does that, preferring to drink vodka on May 9 and shout "we can repeat!" What can you repeat? 3/4 abandoned civilian population in the front-line city?

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6. Why are archives still not declassified in Russia?

And finally, the last question - why in Russia, which now calls itself the "successor country of the USSR", are military secret files still classified? Putin recently signed an order by which the “secrecy” regime applies to these documents until 2050. Why was this done? What could be in these archives?

First, there may be real losses figures - which may turn out to be even bigger and worse than all the figures that have been voiced today. Secondly, the numbers of collaborators who have gone over to the side of the enemy may turn out to be much larger than is now commonly believed. Thirdly, in the archives, the true role of the NKVD in the war and several millions of people shot may emerge - they did not die at all from German bullets and shells, but from the hand of Soviet power.

I know why the archives are still not open - because the Second World War on the territory of the USSR was in fact not at all what Soviet historiography and propaganda told. And to tell the myths about the "Great Patriotic War" - the victory in which, as we know, has become the greatest achievement of modern Russia - will not be so easy.

For me personally, May 8-9 are the days of the memory of grief about that monstrous meat grinder into which entire nations were thrown in the middle of the 20th century and in which tens of millions of people died and did not see the future.

Celebrate if you are celebrated.

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I don't know whether it's just genetic pressure or what but I would like to note that post-World-War-II, there has been a consistent shortage of men in Russia and other Eastern European countries, even decades on. In fact, those regions along with some other satellite states of the USSR are where women apparently outnumber men to such an extent that you will sometimes have 3 or more girls competing for the same guy or else looking to foreigners for husbands/boyfriends. The only other countries where you will find this kind of effect are where young men are dying in huge numbers due to alcoholism and crime, countries which suffered huge demographic catastrophes in the recent past or else there is a deliberate restriction on the number of males being born. Normally, in any given human population, men should slightly outnumber women on average.
 

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Read "Icebreaker", by Victor Suvorov.
Hitler preempted Stalin, who wanted to march through until Portugal.
Two empires with two "Evil Dictator" actors, set up to facilitate the great population reduction, and the advancement of all the other "humanist" goals they thought out for us.
 

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I don't know whether it's just genetic pressure or what but I would like to note that post-World-War-II, there has been a consistent shortage of men in Russia and other Eastern European countries, even decades on. In fact, those regions along with some other satellite states of the USSR are where women apparently outnumber men to such an extent that you will sometimes have 3 or more girls competing for the same guy or else looking to foreigners for husbands/boyfriends. The only other countries where you will find this kind of effect are where young men are dying in huge numbers due to alcoholism and crime, countries which suffered huge demographic catastrophes in the recent past or else there is a deliberate restriction on the number of males being born. Normally, in any given human population, men should slightly outnumber women on average.
Its strange because this hasn't really happened in Germany for example, and we also lost most of the young men.
 

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There is an obscure memoir available at this site

https://sgovio.com/

The author moved to the Soviet Union when he was young because his father was a big believer in the world socialist revolution. The author was picked up off the street and sent to a slave labor camp in Siberia to mine gold.

He was there all through WWII. He writes that they had a constant supply of new slave laborers coming in throughout this entire period- and that they didn't even know that there was a war on. I think he writes that he found out from seeing old newspapers that were used as packing material.

But in any event, he describes a scene something like French colonial Haiti, a kind of meat grinder where people constantly died and the supply was constantly replenished. There is another book that looks at this period from the outside, but I can't remember the name of it. There is also a different memoir, by a different American who also got caught up in this. I think it was called something like 'Coming out of the Ice', but I don't recall the author.

Anyway, I thought at the time reading it, that is was striking that during this supposed period of maximum effort against the Nazis that this whole parallel world of lethal slave labor was going on as if the war didn't even exist. Not only were these guys not sent out to fight, but he even reports that captured allied soldiers wound up in the same slave labor camps.

It seems clear that the war on the Soviet front can't have been quite as advertised.

Found the other books


 
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There is an obscure memoir available at this site

https://sgovio.com/

The author moved to the Soviet Union when he was young because his father was a big believer in the world socialist revolution. The author was picked up off the street and sent to a slave labor camp in Siberia to mine gold.

He was there all through WWII. He writes that they had a constant supply of new slave laborers coming in throughout this entire period- and that they didn't even know that there was a war on. I think he writes that he found out from seeing old newspapers that were used as packing material.

But in any event, he describes a scene something like French colonial Haiti, a kind of meat grinder where people constantly died and the supply was constantly replenished. There is another book that looks at this period from the outside, but I can't remember the name of it. There is also a different memoir, by a different American who also got caught up in this. I think it was called something like 'Coming out of the Ice', but I don't recall the author.

Anyway, I thought at the time reading it, that is was striking that during this supposed period of maximum effort against the Nazis that this whole parallel world of lethal slave labor was going on as if the war didn't even exist. Not only were these guys not sent out to fight, but he even reports that captured allied soldiers wound up in the same slave labor camps.

It seems clear that the war on the Soviet front can't have been quite as advertised.

Found the other books


Thanks for sharing!
I read a while back that the switch from the gold standard in America was an effort to do what they could to liberate the slaves in the Soviet gold mines.
 

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As a reminder, some things (facts) that Hitler and Dsughashvili (Stalin) have in common:
Both were foreigners, i.e. not natives of the countries they later ruled (supposedly).
Both worked for the secret service - Stalin for the Okhrana, Hitler for the Reichswehr.
Both were planted by the secret service into the political party, to observe and spy on them.
And both came to lead this party later on ...
 

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Yeah i'm always wondering what exactly was World War II and was it even a war to begin with? Or something else?
I am really thinking it was a massive clean up of the previous civilization. What was it about the previous civilization that the PTB are going through great, extensive, elaborate and generational methods to keep from us? It must be something very good for the many and not for the few. It has to be something very important and powerful for we humans otherwise why go through such great lengths. Free energy? I think that's part of it. I think there must have been some greater collective energy, something spiritual, something like in Avatar. True freedom? I dunno. However, I really believe it was something great and powerful, yet was good. Good for the earth and all life on it.
 

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[this is a russian article that I found interesting and wanted to discuss sorry if some of it isn't translated perfectly i hope you get the gist: source]
Looks like post creater is russians hater or he had some white officers in his family( my answer for point 3). No proofs just quastions he need to learn history better!

1. Why did the war begin in the USSR? - not correct quastion, the same why white is white and black is black
2. What did the USSR prepare for before June 1941? - for DEFENSE or you think they were so stupid and didnt see any preparations from Germany side.
4. Why did the USSR suffer such terrible losses in a war? - because comunists killed all military officers before war(thought they are WHITES). They needed time to recover.
5. What was really the Blockade, why not evacuated Stalingrad? - Just germans didnt gave civils go out from city, they were bombing civils. Blockade - to block some thing from outside!
6. Why are archives still not declassified in Russia? - you think USA, GERMANY, UK opened all of them? Why most of nazi after war went for living and work to USA?


For me looks like some one try to re write history!
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Looks like post creater is russians hater or he had some white officers in his family( my answer for point 3). No proofs just quastions he need to learn history better!

1. Why did the war begin in the USSR? - not correct quastion, the same why white is white and black is black
2. What did the USSR prepare for before June 1941? - for DEFENSE or you think they were so stupid and didnt see any preparations from Germany side.
4. Why did the USSR suffer such terrible losses in a war? - because comunists killed all military officers before war(thought they are WHITES). They needed time to recover.
5. What was really the Blockade, why not evacuated Stalingrad? - Just germans didnt gave civils go out from city, they were bombing civils. Blockade - to block some thing from outside!
6. Why are archives still not declassified in Russia? - you think USA, GERMANY, UK opened all of them? Why most of nazi after war went for living and work to USA?


For me looks like some one try to re write history!
For me the main quastion is why nearest support for hitler, cherchil, russvelt and stalin were representives from juwish nation? Im not against Juwish nation people ,but some small part of them made some speculations in ww2
 
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You seem to have the right idea questioning the back grounds of various leaders but do you believe you have gone far enough?
No.
All of them had mediums behind them as well
You seem to have the right idea questioning the back grounds of various leaders but do you believe you have gone far enough?
Portrait Comparison: Elston vs Stalin
This is why most of archives still not opened! Than all world will understand that all wars were made because and between ONE ROYAL family members! And maybe hitler, rusvelt, stalin will be from one family 😀
 
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that translates to "Elston and Hindenburg" i wont pretend to have the complete puzzle but it's an interesting line of inquiry
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Its strange because this hasn't really happened in Germany for example, and we also lost most of the young men.
the implications of that are really fucked up sorry german bro. :(
 
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Taking things to another tangent, have we discovered who penned the term world war? We had big conflicts before that, but were these really the first on a global scale? I'm wondering if there was off world protagonists we were actually fighting hence the term world war. I'm not usually the alien guy but I think its a plausible train of thought to consider. Obviously something to be hidden but then can subsequently blame rival nations. Just thinking out loud!
 

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WW2 was planned in WWI if not before. All agents for the Allies and Axis were all freemasons. America was shipping vast amounts of money and resources to the Soviet Union for an advance on the Eastern front towards Germany and other countries like Finland and Estonia. The Zionists had full control over Germany Russia and America and one of the goals was to kill as many Christians as possible. Zionist Kommissars forced at gunpoint many Christians to fight. In Russia the White Army (Christian) formed to face off against the Red Army, but the Red Army had huge supplies and support. The reason for the vast military was to set up the Hegelian dialectic of Communism vs Capitalism that would be implemented for the next 40 years.
 

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Another question that did not arise in the Soviet years and does not rise now — why the Soviet Union suffered such huge losses during the war, the full figure of which is by the way unknown until now — terrible figures from 20 to 40 or more millions are called.
It's because the war was a set up to hide the real goal which was to kill as many people as it is possible. It was mass murder made on Slavic people. All the rest was only a theatre to hide it. By the result, you can find the hidden reason for this war.
 

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I am really thinking it was a massive clean up of the previous civilization. What was it about the previous civilization that the PTB are going through great, extensive, elaborate and generational methods to keep from us? It must be something very good for the many and not for the few. It has to be something very important and powerful for we humans otherwise why go through such great lengths. Free energy? I think that's part of it. I think there must have been some greater collective energy, something spiritual, something like in Avatar. True freedom? I dunno. However, I really believe it was something great and powerful, yet was good. Good for the earth and all life on it.
Totally on the same page as you, HulkSmash. I think it is hard for us to imagine the archetypal fight that was going on between good and evil. Basically, evil won and now we are just tooling around in the dark swamp as the luciferians gather together more power from the unususpecting masses. The new dystopic paradigm we live under fought with all its evil might to overcome the old world. I believe it was a titanic struggle, perhaps not well articulated, but everybody knew the general outline. The old culture, the advanced worldwide post-Atlantean civilization didn't allow for the level of greed and ego that the luciferians promoted. Those that followed the luciferians projected their group's evil machinations on the Tartarians (taking some liberty with this cultural word) and called for the subjugation and destruction of the old world. They created his-story with writings, a story bolstering their paradigm, as opposed to the oral cultures of the Tartarians.

All the polarities we know of today, eg. oral vs. written, centralization vs. federation, unfettered competition vs. win/win, ego-hero story vs. tribal success were played out in this battle for the future of earth. It is easy for us to abstractly portray these opposing qualities, however in those days it wasn't an abstract intellectual argument. It was a fight to the death and there was to be no compromise. It's hard to imagine the determination and viciousness that was behind the crushing of the old world.
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Totally on the same page as you, HulkSmash. I think it is hard for us to imagine the archetypal fight that was going on between good and evil. Basically, evil won and now we are just tooling around in the dark swamp as the luciferians gather together more power from the unususpecting masses. The new dystopic paradigm we live under fought with all its evil might to overcome the old world. I believe it was a titanic struggle, perhaps not well articulated, but everybody knew the general outline. The old culture, the advanced worldwide post-Atlantean civilization didn't allow for the level of greed and ego that the luciferians promoted. Those that followed the luciferians projected their group's evil machinations on the Tartarians (taking some liberty with this cultural word) and called for the subjugation and destruction of the old world. They created his-story with writings, a story bolstering their paradigm, as opposed to the oral cultures of the Tartarians.

All the polarities we know of today, eg. oral vs. written, centralization vs. federation, unfettered competition vs. win/win, ego-hero story vs. tribal success were played out in this battle for the future of earth. It is easy for us to abstractly portray these opposing qualities, however in those days it wasn't an abstract intellectual argument. It was a fight to the death and there was to be no compromise. It's hard to imagine the determination and viciousness that was behind the crushing of the old world.
Another element difficult to comprehend, is how a population under their luciferian New World Order banner, could be so effectively propagandized into hating the old world post-Atlantean order. I would imagine that most folk weren't able to articulate their feelings toward the Tartarian enemy, but were mostly going along to get along with their NWO peers. Same as today, people went with the herd and all they knew was a common enemy having values that somehow were antithetical to theirs. Tartarians were ruffians, belonged to orders that were wholly unknown to the NWO population. They were earmarked for obliteration, and that was enough to go to war.

The NWO leaders put a multi-generation genocide program in place in the last couple hundred years. They were aided by one or more earth catastrophes that gave them the upper hand, whether engineered by them or not. These psychopaths are still running the show and they don't want you to know about the victory they had, what the fight was about, or that there is an alternative way of living together with each other in this realm.

They are quite crafty in a no-holds-barred luciferian way. How do you compete against this monstrosity that will use any form of deception and murder possible? Where's god when we need him/her/it? Is somebody showing up to help us with this or are we on our own? If we're on our own, I'd say we're heading straight to hell if we're not there already.

And another thing - who's doing the resets? Is it god who is disgusted with the state of affairs and must wipe the slate clean, the humans still unable to competently look after this realm, with an over-successful lucifer who's gone beyond his pre-agreed mantle of power and needing to get the boot one more time? Or is it the NWO devils who want to further decimate the human stock and keep it from waking up?
 
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