Iced Over Canals in Greenland

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Ok, I start to think that the alleged island of Greenland is one of the most secret places on our Earth. Just take a look at it via any "satellite" mapping service out there:
Unless Greenland is as flat as a pancake (only Kansas is allowed to be that flat), TPTB is doing another one of their "in your face" things. The place is free of any relief whatsoever. Bar the coastal areas, our Greenland is just a blob of white. We don't even have ice dunes out there.

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It does not matter how much you zoom in, or zoom out. The only way Greenland could be this way, if it was a humongous ice skating rink after a mild snow fall.

How old is Greenlandic Ice?
With anything related to ice or sand, we have to be prepared for a load of pseudo-scientific gibberish. It never fails, and there it comes:
  • More than a million years ago, frosty Greenland was ice-free, its bare bedrock exposed for 280,000 years, researchers have found.
  • The atomic isotope beryllium 10 told the scientists that the rock had at one point been ice-free. To gauge how long that period lasted, they compared the amount of beryllium to quantities of aluminium 26. It appears at a 7 to 1 ratio to beryllium 10, but decays twice as fast. The quantity of aluminium atoms relative to beryllium told the scientists that once the ice cover melted away, the rock was exposed for more than 280,000 years, until about 1.1 million years ago.
Official from LiveScience.COM: The ice on the island of Greenland is 1.1 mln years old.

Wikipedia has more entertaining disinformation:
  • The presence of ice-rafted sediments in deep-sea cores recovered from northeast Greenland, in the Fram Strait, and south of Greenland indicated the more or less continuous presence of either an ice sheet or ice sheets covering significant parts of Greenland for the last 18 million years.
  • From about 11 million years ago to 10 million years ago, the Greenland Ice Sheet was greatly reduced in size.
  • The Greenland Ice Sheet formed in the middle Miocene by coalescence of ice caps and glaciers.
  • The Western and Eastern Greenland mountains constitute passive continental margins that were uplifted in two phases, 10 and 5 million years ago, in the Miocene epoch.
  • There was an intensification of glaciation during the Late Pliocene. Ice sheet formation occurred in connection to uplift of the West Greenland and East Greenland uplands.
And my favorite one:
  • The weight of the ice has depressed the central area of Greenland; the bedrock surface is near sea level over most of the interior of Greenland, but mountains occur around the periphery, confining the sheet along its margins. If the ice suddenly disappeared, Greenland would most probably appear as an archipelago, at least until isostasy lifted the land surface above sea level once again.
KD: What a crack up of an official storyline. Are they even serious?
  • The ice pushed all the hills, and may be mountains down, and leveled everything near the sea level.
  • If all the ice melts, don't be surprised if the iland of Greenland ends up being a group of islands.
Somehow in 1638 or J638, people thought that Greenland, just like Friesland, Muscovy and Scandia, was only covered in snow for 6 months.


Well, and of course those "made up" maps of the past. This here is a 1570 Mercator Map. I guess he drew our Greenland as it was millions of years ago. Good thing he remembered to include all those "later depressed" mountains and such.

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There are multiple other maps where Greenland is free of ice, but this is not the point of this article.

Some History
Per Wiki: Three-quarters of Greenland is covered by the only permanent ice sheet outside Antarctica. With a population of about 56,480 (2013), it is the least densely populated territory in the world. About a third of the population live in Nuuk, the capital and largest city. The Arctic Umiaq Line ferry acts as a lifeline for western Greenland, connecting the various cities and settlements. The image below should give you a general idea of how populated the place is, and where everyone is at.

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Now we go into the territory of "how do we know all that"?
  • Greenland has been inhabited at intervals over at least the last 4,500 years by Arctic peoples whose forebears migrated there from what is now Canada.
  • Norsemen settled the uninhabited southern part of Greenland beginning in the 10th century, having previously settled Iceland to escape persecution from the King of Norway and his central government.
  • These Norsemen would later set sail from Greenland and Iceland, with Leif Erikson becoming the first known European to reach North America nearly 500 years before Columbus reached the Caribbean islands.
  • Inuit peoples arrived in the 13th century.
  • Though under continuous influence of Norway and Norwegians, Greenland was not formally under the Norwegian crown until 1262. The Norse colonies disappeared in the late 15th century when Norway was hit by the Black Death and entered a severe decline.
  • Soon after their demise, beginning in 1499, the Portuguese briefly explored and claimed the island, naming it Terra do Lavrador (later applied to Labrador in Canada).
I guess it's official now. Leif Erikson "discovered" America. It would be appropriate to change all the Columbus related names to reflect the proper discoverer.
More Realistic History?
In the early 18th century, Danish explorers reached Greenland again. To strengthen trading and power, Denmark–Norway affirmed sovereignty over the island. Because of Norway's weak status, it lost sovereignty over Greenland in 1814 when the union was dissolved. Greenland became Danish in 1814, and was fully integrated in the Danish state in 1953 under the Constitution of Denmark.
  • In my humble opinion, this is probably where a semi-verifiable history of Greenland starts.
What are they hiding?
I have not searched in depth, as far as possible cities and other objects go. Based on prior experiences, it is possible that Goggle Ngram could produce some relevant results. In this case I wanted to point out a possible historical slip up. In this case it has the appearance of a man made canal. I have hard time imagining something like this being natural. The canal, if it's still there would have to be approximately 630-650 miles long. That is approximately 700 in kilometers.
  • When zoomed in: It is said that these straights were formerly passable, but now they are shut up with ice.
  • Map Source: 1747 Old Greenland
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Well, zooming in actually does help out a bit. I think the beginning of our canal can be seen when you closely inspect the South-Eastern part of Greenland. These are the approximate coordinates (67°47'55.92" N 33°43'07.29" W), and you can pretty much see it in Google Earth only.

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The man made canal is just a hypothesis of mine, for we do have multiple other maps. Some of those are capable of raising some eyebrows too.

This here is a 1592 map by Vincenzo Coronelli, displaying the southern tip of Greenland with no ice. It has two straights, or channels, whatever you wanna call those. Additionally it presents us with an ever confusing topic of whether Friesland ever existed.
  • Nice trees they had growing there in 1592, huh?
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Illustration taken from the book "Description et histoire naturelle du Groenland" by Egede, Hans and published by Philibert in 1763.

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It appears that once everything froze over in Greenland, certain memories remained, and based on those memories people could recreate the location of the prior canals going east to west. The maps above, including the below 1770 map could be examples of just that. If I was to play with dates of the catastrophe, than based on what I've seen so far, we are talking about 1650s.

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Of course we have other older maps where we do not see any channels. The one below is claimed to be a 1569 map by Gerardus Mercator. There could be multiple explanations for that, with the most simple ones involving the timing of their possible appearance in reality. That I will get to in a separate time related thread.

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The PTB is covered as usually. They simply call it "the incorrect assumption". Below you can see just that:
  • Map of Greenland by Egede (1818), illustrating the incorrect assumption that the Norse settlements of Greenland were located in South-West and South-East Greenland. Many of the localities named in the Icelandic Sagas are placed on this map at imaginary sites on the unknown east coast of Greenland. The map is from the second English edition of Hans Egede’s ‘Description of Greenland’, a slightly modified version of the first English edition published in 1741.
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Crossing Greenland
I think one of the first people to allegedly cross Greenland East to West was Fridtjof Nansen. If Greenland was indeed inhabited and ice-free some 500 years ago, I doubt he was the first one, but as it stands, he crossed in in 1888.
  • In 1888, Fridtjof Nansen, a mere biology student at the University of Oslo and an avid skier, organized a daring expedition: crossing the Greenlandic ice-sheet from East (a mostly uninhabited wasteland) to West (where most of the Greenlanders lived) as opposed to the previous Greenlandic expeditions which had all started from West to East.
  • Nansen was not alone on this journey. He assembled a crew that included some highly competent and hardy men.
  • From left to right: Ole Nielsen Ravna, Christian Dietrichson, Fridtjof Nansen, Otto Sverdrup, Kristian Kristiansen Trana and Samuel Johansen Balto.
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It is rather remarkable, that Nansen's initial proposed route was exactly where the above-mentioned canal would/could be. Mr. Nansen and Co. were unable to execute the planned route (red) and had to settle for the one they actually took (green).
  • KD: While we will never find out the real purpose, and the real route they took, I find the red route to be fairly suspicious. Pretty sure there is a plausible explanation for such a coincidence. In my opinion, "plausibility" is quickly becoming an unreliable historical commodity.

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Landscape and Icemelt
Apparently scientists are highly concerned with how fast Greenland is loosing its "million year old" ice sheet. As a matter of fact they appear to be freaking out. Global Warming, aka Climate Change is in full swing.

Well, chances are, our scientists will have a few things they will have to explain way before year 2100. That is when all the ice is supposed to melt. Are we gonna see some artifacts in there?

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KD: Anyways, I wanted to throw something interesting for a discussion. Greenland could be a place with a lot of preserved ancient stuff. Not like we are gonna see any of it, but the recent ice melting development allows for some exciting thoughts. Even on our end, with a diligent older texts search, we could produce certain results. That is for those who wants to explore further.


TPTB is trying to get everyone concerned with the Global Warming a.k.a. Climate Change. Sounds like our Earth system is re-balancing itself and getting back to its original state. May be the narrative should answer up to what froze everything up some 500 years. To avoid that our pseudo-scientists prefer to blow "million year old" smoke up our everything. Sadly, the tactic appears to work.

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I hadn't thought of an Island chain but you can see that's a distinct possibility. If so why the lies, it just doesn't make sense, and then with this more recent attempt to buy the whole thing you got to be wondering what in the blazes, unless they think parts of the US might disappear under the waves or fracture because there are splits. It's been a while since I checked up on these splits but we know there's a big one in Africa.

As for melting, the poles move and the last I checked the projected next resting stop for the north pole is a lake in Mongolia near the Russian border. It's not surprising the ice is melting because the North Pole is moving the opposite direction right now. Got less to do with climate change than it has to do with where the poles are located. Possibly the Ghost Cities of China have been created with this in mind as people will be forced to abandon any area's where the poles finally decide to rest.
 
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This Greenland stuff is weird. Check out these Garðar Cathedral Ruins.
  • The cathedral was founded by Greenland's first bishop Arnaldur in 1126.
  • With the death of Bishop Álfur in 1378, no new bishop ever went to Greenland .
  • It was only in 1926 that excavations discovered the foundations of the cathedral and the surrounding norse buildings. Excavations were carried out by Danish archeologist Poul Nørlund.
  • On the site, a number of walrus skulls and narwhal were discovered, suggesting that the area near the cathedral included a pagan temple. Amongst the most famous excavations include a number of graves, notably a grave of a bishop which was buried in the north chapel of the cathedral. The skeleton discovered was that of a powerfully built middle-aged man.
  • In his hands, a Crosier made of ashwood and decorated with walrus ivory was discovered and a gold ring on the finger.
  • It is believed that the body belongs to one of Greenland's most famous bishops, Jón Árnason's, or Smyrill who died in 1209, as well as any other of the Norse bishops from the thirteenth-century.

Ruins of the Bishop's Palace
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I am not sure what these chunks of stone above really were, but it looks like TPTB just flipped us off.

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Considering that in 1500s the channels were mapped, and in 1700s their locations were still remembered, I will put my 3 cents on them channels still being there under the ice.

And as far as ice melting goes... it needs to keep on melting. This way we stand a chance to find out what kind of destructive actions kicked the area all the way into the Ice Age. Officially those gonna be asteroids and meteorites, but what else is new.

Whatever left a crater bigger than Washington DC or Paris, was a part of everything else happening at the time. Personally, I doubt any natural cause of such a hole in the ground.

Pseudo-scientists are hilarious in this video. 12,000 years ago, 100,000 years ago, 3 millions of them years ago... they are full of baloney. Found a rock somewhere in Greenland and called it a meteorite. Where is that element not included on the periodic table? I bet not in this chunk of rock, which continently survived after a kilometer wide meteorite vaporized on impact.


Additionally, the island of Greenland being covered with so much ice, while the lands to its immediate East and West are not... well, I think it’s suspicious.
 

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Great post! Over the past year Ive come to the conclusion that the earth shifted on its axis or at least the land masses have moved significantly in the 17th century. I had looked at Greenland and the descriptions along with maps etc and there is no way that the ice is as old as they say it is. This would be out there as an idea but when you add in major changes that are described in history from that period and before a pattern emerges pointing to the earth shifted northward which caused Egypt to become drier, the southern Sahara became arid and civilisations died out or moved. Europe became colder, the seas got rougher. Tenochtitlan and the lake it was in was covered in up to 100ft of mud. Rome was swamped in mud and many many other examples.

Which only points to one of 2 things. The magnetic poles changed position rapidly or the planet shifted. If it has then there are some serious recalculations that need to be made to everything astrological and geological along with how old everything is. They use Greenland for dating so that is thrown out the window. Quackademia would have serious heart problems if they had to rewrite everything theyve ever known. If Im right in my hypothesis that there are cycles to the earth. Then it starts to explain why our world is like it is. So far Ive identified 4 cycles, 200yrs or there abouts, 400yr or there abouts, 1000yrs or there abouts and 2000yrs or there abouts. Each coinciding with sine wave cycles that can come together to create larger effects.

This could be related to the energy in the solar system at certain points along the zodiac. Sometimes being higher and then lower. It also seems to tie with the Sun and Saturn. Which appears was once a brown or red dwarf star that collided with the system of Helios (our current sun). If the electric universe theory is correct then it would explain why the cycles exist.
 
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My interpretation of the below 1812 text is as follows. The island of Greenland changed so much, that it no longer matches the current (1772 letter) description. It was different to the point when people started questioning whether it was the same piece of land. Hence we have this Ancient Greenand, and New Greenland mentioned in the text. Needless to say, if Greenland was to ice over millions of years ago, or 12,000 years ago, there would be no such info for them to discuss.

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We can also see the names of these two possible straights in the above text. The top straight was named after this guy here:
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Is this why Greenland, North Pole, lapland etc were added into the narrative of Santa Clause 'a magical place you cant really go to?' A psy op to make people not consider them as real places.

Also, as said elsewhere I was taught 1970s-80s that everything north of scotland was under snow and ice. The north pole was a piece of land under ice.

Not any more eh.

It is beyond obvious imo that Greenland was in fact that, green, until less than a few hundred years ago.

It now being covered in snow is probably part of the wider reset story.

Do we know anyone from Greenland? Is it really covered in snow? Or is that just what we are told/ shown?
 

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It seems that everything has changed recently, Greenland, The Sahara Desert all seems to have suffered a huge and rapid cataclysm. And that has to do with the change in the earth's magnetic pole. It is said that several monuments that served as a calendar for ancient peoples are used to measure each year whether the sun will continue to recede on the winter solstice or return. If it happens to continue to drift away then the world will be reshaped if not then everyone celebrates why they will live. Finally, it seems that one part of the world burns, animal people and plants are turned to stone (they have found petrified cities and forests in the Libyan desert, they have even found petrified fruit), other parts are flooded with mud, others are frozen instantly( that frozen mammoth while eating).

Anyway, I think that was the case with Greenland.
 
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I don’t know about the inner earth, but there could be some older infrastructure remainders under that mile deep sheet of ice.

Gosh, I still can’t believe in that narrative of ice depressing everything to the sea level. It makes me feel bad for the alleged continent of Antarctica. With the amount of ice we have down there, it will get depressed all the way to the North Pole. And we’re eating this BS up, day in and day out.
 

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i looked at apple maps and the white blob starts arbitrarily, it’s obviously photoshopped. are there old satellite images or videos of flights over mainland greenland? haven’t found any.

they are keeping something secret at mainland greenland, even if it’s only for future considerations of melting ice making structures available, although I suspect there are already deep state operations going on in ice free parts of inner greenland.
 
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I consider the below information to be a valuable investigative lead. Apart from those individuals of the past clearly differentiating Old or Lost Greenland from the New Greenland, we also have this famous 1348 year to investigate. It appears to be way more that just the Black Death related date.
  • Note: 1348 will have its own thread. Please refrain from discussing it in this thread, unless directly related to Greenland. This is too big of a topic to mix in with this one.
  • Year dates are messed up, in my opinion. I think there could be a method to the dates madness. I plan on starting a dating thread in the nearest future. In short, I do not think every place had the same year during the same time.
Additionally we have this wonderful character we all should know, whose name was Erik Thorvaldsson a.k.a. Erik the Red. He was the one who allegedly founded the first Greenlandic colony. Erik's story is rather shady, in my opinion, but that is for some other time and its own thread. For right now let us note, that he got dressed in our usual viking attire only some time in the 19th century, as far as I understand. And while his life is attributed to the years between c. 950 and c. 1003, I think on our time line he lived much later.

From this perspective, may be there is a reason why some of Erik's "original" mid-17th century images do not mention the year, and some do. As we are accustomed by now, Erik looks like no viking we know. And, well, he's got that shield of power. Just like the one we can source in a certain 1594 book.
 
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Here is a very interesting reading on the subject:
This is probably the most exciting text about Greenland you will ever read. Hopefully not, but it’s the most interesting one I’ve seen so far.

Greenland had way more cities in the 13th century vs. what they have today.

The book is from 1732. As far as I can figure out, the narrative was just getting established back then. Naturally, most of these accounts are not a part of the today’s curriculum. But even with what’s in there, the contents are watered down, imho.

Norwegian gentleman Erik the Red, lol. They did not even bother to make any vikings related connection.

Read up, you will enjoy.
 
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