General Grant's 1885 Coffin - is this normal?

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President/General Grant was in a bad way in early 1885. He was suffering from cancer of the throat and he was broke. Not slightly down on his luck, completely out of funds and assets. He was approached by Mark Twain to write his autobiography. This it was figured would bring a good sum of money back into the family which was in bad straights.

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1822 – 1885
Grant left explicit instructions. He wanted his body embalmed so the funeral would not have to be rushed because of the intense summer heat. And that summer was inordinately hot and humid, even in the Adirondacks. A little more than two weeks would pass between the day Grant died, July 23, and the final service in New York City on Aug. 8. The need was urgent to use every and all resources available to keep the body from decomposing.

In an era when grave-robbing was not uncommon, the Grant family was also concerned about securing the generals remains. Another upstate company owned by a Patrick Cregan of Troy, had recently patented a ghoul and burglar-proof metal air-tight burial vault. The Grants immediately purchased this 19th century state-of-the-art technology to safeguard the generals coffin. (weren't they just broke?)

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The President's first tomb in which he rested till 1897.

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Grants family purchases the 19th century state-of-the-art technology to safeguard the generals coffin. Yet the family was completely out of funds, but here comes Mark Twain and saves the day.

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Question: Seems like another story where a great achiever dies in poverty. Who would go after his remains in the end of the 19th century? Or could there be more to the story? Was his body toxic?
 

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I agree that is not a coffin to protect a pauper from grave robbers. It looks more like it was built to keep an irradiated vampire monster from escaping.

The mausoleum does not look uncommon. It doesn't look new either, so maybe it was the family one. Established vegetation.
But why are Kaiser Wilhelm's men guarding it?

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If you google civil war dress helmet you get nothing.
Turns out this is an Indian war dress helmet.
Didn't need helmets against the south. Indians must have been better armed.

Some interesting points.
Many or these double eagle countries seem to go single eagle after they are liberated from Tartary. Did one head represent the ruler of the province and the other head the leader of all of Tartary? The legendary Prester John figure?
India historically seems to be anywhere outside of Europe control. From Turkey through Asia across America to the West indies Caribbean. Is Indian also code for Tartary?

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I agree that is not a coffin to protect a pauper from grave robbers. It looks more like it was built to keep an irradiated vampire monster from escaping.

The mausoleum does not look uncommon. It doesn't look new either, so maybe it was the family one. Established vegetation.
But why are Kaiser Wilhelm's men guarding it?
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If you google civil war dress helmet you get nothing.
Turns out this is an Indian war dress helmet.
Didn't need helmets against the south. Indians must have been better armed.
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Some interesting points.
Many or these double eagle countries seem to go single eagle after they are liberated from Tartary. Did one head represent the ruler of the province and the other head the leader of all of Tartary? The legendary Prester John figure?
India historically seems to be anywhere outside of Europe control. From Turkey through Asia across America to the West indies Caribbean. Is Indian also code for Tartary?
Interesting to think of all the countries that now use one eagle, hawk or falcon. When two was the norm for centuries.
 

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President/General Grant was in a bad way in early 1885. He was suffering from cancer of the throat and he was broke. Not slightly down on his luck, completely out of funds and assets. He was approached by Mark Twain to write his autobiography. This it was figured would bring a good sum of money back into the family which was in bad straights.

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1822 – 1885
Grant left explicit instructions. He wanted his body embalmed so the funeral would not have to be rushed because of the intense summer heat. And that summer was inordinately hot and humid, even in the Adirondacks. A little more than two weeks would pass between the day Grant died, July 23, and the final service in New York City on Aug. 8. The need was urgent to use every and all resources available to keep the body from decomposing.

In an era when grave-robbing was not uncommon, the Grant family was also concerned about securing the generals remains. Another upstate company owned by a Patrick Cregan of Troy, had recently patented a ghoul and burglar-proof metal air-tight burial vault. The Grants immediately purchased this 19th century state-of-the-art technology to safeguard the generals coffin. (weren't they just broke?)

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The President's first tomb in which he rested till 1897.

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Grants family purchases the 19th century state-of-the-art technology to safeguard the generals coffin. Yet the family was completely out of funds, but here comes Mark Twain and saves the day.

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Question: Seems like another story where a great achiever dies in poverty. Who would go after his remains in the end of the 19th century? Or could there be more to the story? Was his body toxic?
In the second photo of the metal coffin - Look in the center, bottom, and you see two boots or shoes that has no people appearing above it, or possibly air-brushed out? Why?
 

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In the second photo of the metal coffin - Look in the center, bottom, and you see two boots or shoes that has no people appearing above it, or possibly air-brushed out? Why?
Damn thanks for pointing that out. It looks like the entire back section that is blacked out had multiple people there.

I can count 4 different feet/people that have no torso or head. Weird.

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This photo confirms to me that:
a) The "black" area of the photo is "airbrushed" in, you can tell because of the farthest vertical line of the black area being inconsistent between photos. Above you can see the topimage black line is bending outwards, whereas the bottom image is more straight. Further to that you can instantly see the airbrushing on the black bit under the coffin.
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b) The rivets are pointless on that coffin then...?
 

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From here Link
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From pinterest Can you spot the two posers from the op blacked out picture?
Not to mention the painted in hands, the giant cop, King George, painted in cop, painted in legs etc.
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From here American flags prominent in Grant’s funeral
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And then there's this tale well worth a read. On the Literary Wheelings and Dealings of Ulysses S. Grant and Mark Twain
Are Grant and Twain fictional characters made to appear real in print, photo and artifact?
The Pinterest photo of a wood coffin is tell-tale sign of shenanigans going on.
 

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This photo confirms to me that:
a) The "black" area of the photo is "airbrushed" in, you can tell because of the farthest vertical line of the black area being inconsistent between photos. Above you can see the topimage black line is bending outwards, whereas the bottom image is more straight. Further to that you can instantly see the airbrushing on the black bit under the coffin.
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b) The rivets are pointless on that coffin then...?
Nah I'm pretty sure they were functioning.

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You can see the the empty holes where the rivets went in.

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With the 'iron' box picture they simply flipped the box round on the bogey between photographs, look at the position of the steerable wheels. One end open "take the shot" one end closed "take the shot". God knows what it really is but it doesn't feel coffin like to me.
 

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The Pinterest photo of a wood coffin is tell-tale sign of shenanigans going on.
My own take on this is that the only reason that they would need a metal outer coffin is if he had some disease like Influenza or possibly Tuberculosis. So that when he was being buried the risks would be lessened. And, of course, a wax substitute for the real body is very clearly indicated - this explains the people close to the coffin but not worried, and yet the need for a metal shell for the real body. If there was one.
From here Link
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From pinterest Can you spot the two posers from the op blacked out picture?
Not to mention the painted in hands, the giant cop, King George, painted in cop, painted in legs etc.
View attachment 21877

From here American flags prominent in Grant’s funeral
View attachment 21876

And then there's this tale well worth a read. On the Literary Wheelings and Dealings of Ulysses S. Grant and Mark Twain
Are Grant and Twain fictional characters made to appear real in print, photo and artifact?
What kind of secret society move is this when the guy touches one finger with his own? Or is he actually stealing his ring?
 
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There is a history of lead lined coffins on this island and supposedly the good 'ole Romans were into it as well but more often contaminated bodies were quicklimed and buried in the earth, or so we get told.
 

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From here Link
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In the top pic there are two coffins I believe. Is this a double funeral?
From pinterest Can you spot the two posers from the op blacked out picture?
Not to mention the painted in hands, the giant cop, King George, painted in cop, painted in legs etc.
View attachment 21877

From here American flags prominent in Grant’s funeral
View attachment 21876

And then there's this tale well worth a read. On the Literary Wheelings and Dealings of Ulysses S. Grant and Mark Twain
Are Grant and Twain fictional characters made to appear real in print, photo and artifact?
 

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From pinterest Can you spot the two posers from the op blacked out picture?
Not to mention the painted in hands, the giant cop, King George, painted in cop, painted in legs etc.


From here American flags prominent in Grant’s fune
From pinterest Can you spot the two posers from the op blacked out picture?
Not to mention the painted in hands, the giant cop, King George, painted in cop, painted in legs etc.
The 5 people to the right have been added in. The second from the end don't even have legs.
Also the more i look at this i can see the coffin has also been added in, you can tell by legs holding it up.
Actually now i'm looking closely i thing all the people have been added in. Look on the ground at the area they are all standing on its a different ground surface that the rest of the photo.
 

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