Freemasons descend from Great Tartaria, and their secret aim is to restore it worldwide.

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Maybe Freemasons which descend from Templars who excavated Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem discovered something scandalous.

Maybe they discovered that Israel was never there. That Israel was actually in Tartaria. That the entire foundation of the Vatican was a Roman cover up and revision of history? The Templars found proof of this somehow, and the Pope in exchange for their silence agreed to give them limitless power and be a nation unto themselves.

This is why the Masons are obsessed with gathering and decoding all religious symbols in the world, they're hoping to recover Tartaria. Or, maybe they already know and their big secret is they're continuing the legacy of Tartaria in secret.

They have this big silent war with the Vatican which has all but erased Tartaria.

The Freemasons want to restore Tartaria. Some would call that the New World Order but in actuality its the ancient world order that was stolen from us.

Not sure who's actually the good guys in this scenario, if any.
 

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This topic is confusing, isn't it? If the US was founded [or taken over in 1860s] by Freemasons, I am not sure they want to restore Tartaria, for it appears they were the tool used to put the final nail into its coffin. So far my understanding is that all of them (Vatican and the others) are on the same side. And I have my doubts that they are the "good guys". Not even sure if there are any good guys out there. No good deeds of a grand scale are easily recognizable in this world.

Just my take on it. Could be totally wrong, but that's the way I think so far.
 

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I have heard that some theories of the true Israel is somewhere in central Europe, which matches the area where we would place the Tatars and Tartaria.
That, and additionally in Siberia, I think. Russians had some pretty technologically advanced factories east of Ural mountains in the 18th and 19th centuries. Those were run by the Demidov family. Plus whatever else we do not know.
 
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I'm really digging Fomenko. I'm almost 300 pages into his first book but.. Jeez man, barely got any of the meat yet. He's going at great length to prove his methodology, which is absolutely necessary when proposing something so bold. When I first heard his ideas I thought it'd be some geocities worthy conspiracy. But wow! I'm starting to actually believe it's indefensible to claim its 2018.

I wish I could just find a list of his new chronology dates.

Makes me think some of these scary societies of yore were actually not very long again and the Freemason claim to have built the Pyramids isn't actually that ridiculous.

Anyway! Jerusalem being Constantinople? That sounds awesome. He thinks that's where the gospels took place too eh?

I heard another theory about Constantinople being the setting for the ancient Roman empire as well (I may have heard wrong). If so, then Rome and Jerusalem were in the same spot?!
 

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I have heard that some theories of the true Israel is somewhere in central Europe, which matches the area where we would place the Tatars and Tartaria.
Astana, Kazakhstan could fit the bill. There's been some speculation about the recent occult architecture there.
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I read this book a while back:
"Born in Blood: The Lost Secrets of Freemasonry" by John J. Robinson

I'm more inclined to side with the Mason's and the remnants of the Templars. Never A Straight Answer is lousy with "Freemasons," but do we know if they are real Masons? Or are they Jesuits posing as Freemasons?
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This is sarcasm right? The people that have deceived you about space are the good guys?
Stockholm syndrome, it must be.

My thought is that to become a Mason you have to discern the Great Lie, which proves intelligence and faith. The truth about Reality is inconceivable, but knowing what isn't Reality is a starting point. It would make sense to exclusively fill your ranks with geniuses. The first and foremost test would have to be an aptitude test.
 
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Being a Freemason, this topic is near and dear to my heart, as I have been trying to dig out the answer for over the last decade (ever since my EAS in 2006) and even prompted me to join the Freemasons in 2013 to answer the riddle: Do they really control the world?

I have read all the posts here, and will try to touch on all points, and what I have to share is my 100% unbiased opinion.
I have never heard of Tartaria or Great Tartaria until last night! So I can't speak much on that, but as for everything else Freemason, I may oblige.

This is somewhat a history lesson, but being truthseekers, maybe you won't mind me droning on..


As far as I can tell, if there were a hand in the glove ruling the world, the Freemasons and other chivalric orders or secret societies would only make up the "pinky". At the heart of all this mess is religion, unfortunately, and the tug-of-war with science. And also why there continues to be a schism today in Freemasonry regarding the Catholic church, and why no Catholic may be a Mason, or risk being excommunicated.

It is presumed there is a god, because in the olden days, if you won wars and were victorious, it meant god was on your side, and you became King via Divine Right = god had you win the war, because god wants you to be King.

Well, wiser men who knew better have always been skeptic, and when the first implements of science (it was called philosophy then) were being developed, everyone participated in the discoveries - it was very Renaissance - and folks started to believe we existed in a clockwork universe with a sun centered solar system, the earth was not the center of anything as the church had been claiming.

In 1687, Isaac Newton came out with his work: The Principia and fucking rocked everyone. His laws of Thermodynamics and the ideas of bodies in motion remaining in motion left no room for god. He thought this book would lead to Atheism..

in 1688, there was a massive revolt in London where they cast down King James, and established The Bill of Rights, (piggybacking off the Magna Carta) for the common man, because they knew: if there was no god, there can be no claim by Divine Right.. (stay with me)

So now, Common Man is in a dangerous situation, and all chips are on the table: you can't really SAY there is no god, because of the power of the catholic church. *BANHAMMER* You and your family were destitute. What does one do?

Enter the Bavarian Society Adam Weishaupt (1748–1830), founder of the Bavarian Illuminati. (Illuminated, because they knew there was no god; light is a symbol for intelligence, reason, knowledge in Masonry)

Lots of these secret societies sprung up, it was a place that ideas could be openly expressed without fear of retaliation from the church.

Lots of Freemasons in America, who don't want a King over them, are capable of handling their own affairs - boom - claim Independence.

America won the revolution because of the French, who were Freemasons, who gave us the Statue of Liberty (holding a torch, Light in a dark world, the first Nation for the Common Man). BUT, in their greatest need for aid, we fucked off because of our Neutral foreign policy, and had we helped France during their revolution in 1789, we would be living in a totally different world..yeah, you fucked us, George Washington.

So now what?
The war of 1812, Napoleon loses, and the whole Rothchild shit happens in England. The Holy Land? The New Jerusalem? That's in:
The City of London, which is not greater London, but the small square-mile by square-mile in the center, that the Queen can't even enter without a ceremony and being greeted by the: Right Honorable Lord Mayor of London in his fucking solid gold carriage - I shit you not.......

This is also when there was a very concerted effort by the Catholic church to subvert America by sending in the Jesuits to infiltrate the Freemasons and our Nation and bring them down. This was the Anti-Masonic Movement in the mid-1800s. All this, coupled with the periods of Central Banks in America that crippled her, by the time we declared bankruptcy March 9, 1933, we lost sovereignty as a nation and defacto'd back to the governance of England because they chartered the colonies.

We are under British Maritime Commercial Law, hence the cute yellow fringe around our Flag. And that's a WHOLE other topic, to which I played a small part in establishing the Central Bank of Iraq, but I did.

I spoke earlier about a hand in the glove; who controls us?

Thumb - The Vatican
Index - the Monarchs of Europe
Middle - Banking Institutions
Ring - Corporations, controlled by foreign interests (see above)
Pinky - Societies; secret or otherwise

From my point of view, the Freemasons, who were obviously the good guys, lost; and the common man is still under the oppression of the Crown and the Cross, and will be forever until we cast down the Holy See, the European monarchies, and those fucking banking cartels..
 

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It might be nice to have a general topic of freemasonry under that section. But as in connection for Tartaria I too believe while perhaps not origin of freemasonry was in Tartaria as per location, it was at least taken over or influenced by them greatly from early on in Europe, thus eventually we have powerful lodges like the Grand Orient to refer the east.

It is mostly, at least on the surface and the first degrees an order where you are to improve yourself to become a better human being. You are obliged to have a belief in a supreme being or god in some form to be able to join in if you are to pass as a member if the initiation processes are done correctly according to the old times.

Now in common I think the blue lodge that consist of the first three degrees of freemasonry is where most of the freemasons will stay in. It has played a high importance in the world before the Internet to get connections for a merchant and politicians and gain support for your cause. Today the interest in this is going down as you no longer need to have such a platform to create connections, all you need is the internet and some good marketing and appeal in social media and the word is getting out. The esoteric truths can also be studied outside of them as the information has become more and more available for the common man. Having some powerful men and money back you up does no harm however if your aim is in the business world and of course you will probably have a better access for some great sources to study.

What is up in question for me is what comes after the blue lodges. As the people in numbers begin to go down as one is to proceed so is a member who is passing onwards most likely becoming more influenced by more powerful people, some paths might even work as grooming grounds. As the member will progress onwards who has some significance in society or politics, some very powerful men who might have an agenda can get a hold on you. If you take some wrong steps you are easy to fall under tactics like blackmail. I also say that taking blind orders to a secretive cause is the 'way of the devil'. If you outsource your own will and ability to look at things broadly what the real aim is by putting blind faith on others who you might only know on the surface is stupidity.

Some general notifications of mine from Freemasonry:

I also already speculated here where I thought that as the Scottish rite could've looked like it served as means to promote the Jacobite revolutions, that were to implement a Catholic king on the thrones so ultimately it looked like that could have been guided by the hand of Catholic church.

Some paths after the blue lodge like Memphis-Mizraim might have had a totally different aim and some are just innocent and are what they say they are. A route for further self-development.

The different lodges are run by different people and different people might attract different characteristics. It doesn't mean Freemasonry is guided by an "evil hand", but there surely are influental people involved that are with an agenda of their own, maybe even as a group.

Another speculation of mine is that Freemasonry most likely joined forces with illumism in the Congress of Wilhelmsbad.

In the older age I recall Rosicrucianism was opposed to Illumism as the first promoted faith and spirituality in the type of Teosophy and Illuminism promoted reason and science. I think we could use them both in hand to hand going forward. They don't need to fight over domination over each. If we look at the western civilization today, it looks like Illuminism won for the look of the shape of things, but as of late I have noticed the trend of spirituality rising, which I fully endorse.

I also think some of the ancestry of Freemasonry is BS as for example in the Dionysian mysteries they also included women so at what point did they astray from there and become only a fraternal order, though we also have some lodges for women but only in the later ages.

My personal opinion: I do not oppose freemasonry, but I don't know would they have anything to offer me, nor in that sense would I have anything to offer them but my creative and potential for a powerful mind. Would I even be interested in lodge meetings for some boring rituals, maybe just once or twice out of curiousity.
 
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Right. Freemasonry does not allow women, but they do have sects for women only.
This calls back to the Mystery Schools of Egypt and the Orient, probably further back, where you would segregate the sexes to accomplish something...and then around the Spring Equinox have an orgy..

When you get initiated into the masons they tell you:
"Freemasonry consists of a course of moral and philosophical instruction. Illustrated by hieroglyphics and taught, according to ancient usage, by type, emblems and allegorical figures. Your gaining admission within these walls is emblematic of an event which every Man must sooner or later experience: the transition from this to a better life".

What Freemasonry is designed to preform is a transition from Boyhood to Manhood. They don't explicitly say this because of you being taught "according to ancient usage", which is to mislead the initiate, to make you think something else.

Once upon a time we were all tribal, and you would have to get your first kill or go through some Rite of Passage to become a man. Even the Jews still to this today with their Bar Mitzvah, and other cultures, but not so in the West.

So what do we see?

A couple generations of man-boys who sit around playing video-games, while their women becomes like their mommy, takes care of everything around the house, and now we are seeing women take a more dominant role in society.

Without an event in your life that physiologically changes you, something that brings you close to death, you will not transition.
Freemasonry affords you this. You "die" during the degrees, and are taught many a profound thing.

Would you be interested in Freemasonry and it's boring rituals?
Probably, no.
Freemasonry is like a buffet. You can pick and choose and eat anything you like, but there are no waiters, you serve yourself or go hungry.
 

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Right. Freemasonry does not allow women, but they do have sects for women only.
This calls back to the Mystery Schools of Egypt and the Orient, probably further back, where you would segregate the sexes to accomplish something...and then around the Spring Equinox have an orgy..
Reminds me of a description of an island near India, which I discovered on an old map. It was actually two islands. One was exclusively for women, the other for men. The women took care of the children. Once per year the men would come over to the other island and everyone had fun. Then afterwards everyone focused on whatever people did back then, each sex on their own island.

What is mostly forgotten nowadays is that people back then, 600 or 800 years ago, realized the profound implications of sexuality, and initiated experiments to make the best of the situation. Sexual energy is the driver of many things in society, so redirecting that energy was one goal.

Another custom in India was living a life devoid of any sexuality, which was reserved mostly for men, and this was another way of not succumbing to hedonism.
 

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Right. Freemasonry does not allow women, but they do have sects for women only.
This calls back to the Mystery Schools of Egypt and the Orient, probably further back, where you would segregate the sexes to accomplish something...and then around the Spring Equinox have an orgy..

When you get initiated into the masons they tell you:
"Freemasonry consists of a course of moral and philosophical instruction. Illustrated by hieroglyphics and taught, according to ancient usage, by type, emblems and allegorical figures. Your gaining admission within these walls is emblematic of an event which every Man must sooner or later experience: the transition from this to a better life".

What Freemasonry is designed to preform is a transition from Boyhood to Manhood. They don't explicitly say this because of you being taught "according to ancient usage", which is to mislead the initiate, to make you think something else.

Once upon a time we were all tribal, and you would have to get your first kill or go through some Rite of Passage to become a man. Even the Jews still to this today with their Bar Mitzvah, and other cultures, but not so in the West.

So what do we see?

A couple generations of man-boys who sit around playing video-games, while their women becomes like their mommy, takes care of everything around the house, and now we are seeing women take a more dominant role in society.

Without an event in your life that physiologically changes you, something that brings you close to death, you will not transition.
Freemasonry affords you this. You "die" during the degrees, and are taught many a profound thing.

Would you be interested in Freemasonry and it's boring rituals?
Probably, no.
Freemasonry is like a buffet. You can pick and choose and eat anything you like, but there are no waiters, you serve yourself or go hungry.
I'd be interested to find out what are the first women only sects we can find regarding freemasonry, as if it they are only from the 20th century or even the 19th century then that raises questions on this claim of antiquity for me. The motivation to make the claim would be just to give it more credibility and a mystery for the members. Ultimately I think it does not matter at all is it so or not as it is what you can get from it that matters.

In ancient "Egypt", I recon the Sphinx and Pyramids were used as part of these initiation rites, rather than being tombs. Going through these initiations rites have defined what kind of person you would become and indeed you could even die in the process, so in that sense they might have become tombs for the initiates. I even have visions of trying to solve the puzzles of the Sphinx walls below it and not being able to figure it out as a child like, but do not remember what happened afterwards.

Some of these rites of the 19th and 20th century secret societies resemble this idea of being risen from the dead, to be born twice. First to this world, then to become the man you would be, like a caterpillar being born a new as a butterfly. It was so even in the Mithraic cult to put your trust to your fellow men to kill you and have the strong faith on a rising new.

This claim on the spring equinox orgies reminds me of the old religion.

I totally agree on this, that becoming close to death or surveying at least the thoughts of that of being close to it is what will ultimately change you, if freemasonry helps the initiates with that, then it can be a good thing. I'm just in question regarding the societies of the world are these type of initiation rites required, if you are already taught through "religion" or a view of the world of how things in this world work as that could make you strive for becoming already earlier what you are being put forth to in the mystery schools. Mystery schools approach would make life a bit more exciting at least and it would help some of the knowledge stay within the "right" hands, unless if a society like that was lost to malicious hands or a 5th column influence by subversion, then it could become oppressive. So I'm in question with this, which way should the society go.
 
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In ancient "Egypt", I recon the Sphinx and Pyramids were used as part of these initiation rites, rather than being tombs. Going through these initiations rites have defined what kind of person you would become and indeed you could even die in the process, so in that sense they might have become tombs for the initiates.
Exactly, yes!
They can tell the Nile has shifted 10s of miles east, and hypothesize initiates would probably have arrived by boat to the pyramid entrance.
And pass through a corridor. The first archway depicted and snake, and the last archway depicted an eagle, and you would pass through these.
Why?
The Egyptians knew reptiles and birds were related. They were diviners, and looked at the guts of beasts to discern.. whatever, but found snakes and birds have the same innards.
How?
They thought the snake lost it's nobility. It crawls on its belly, and is despised and hated by all. Do you know of the (evil) serpent in the Garden?

Remember, now, the corridor they passed through and the potential meaning with two simple symbols:
may you pass these halls and shed your snake-self, and become divine, become the noble-self, ascend and fly.

And there were other trials of being kept in darkness for months, and what do you most desire? LIGHT

As far as the pyramids themselves, I went to a seminar in Seattle where Carmen Boulter came and spoke. She is on The Pyramid Code TV show on NETFLIX. Anyway, she goes to Egypt a lot and excavates and she showed us imaging from under the pyramids.

They took the tech they used to find oil and looked at the pyramids and well beneath them is a series of 16 buildings all linked together.
and under those, much deeper down was yet another set of buildings all linked. And if you know geology, the deeper you go in the earth, the longer ago it was. It was fascinating, dude.
 

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I'm glad we even have freemasons here, keep your friends close and your enemies closer?! :p I'm pretty sure the government is browsing here as well :ROFLMAO:

Joking aside, every bit of insight could help and the more perspectives we gather the better. (y)

As a side note to what's beneath the piramids. I've seen images of huge stone walls or towers, at least the top of them that were weathered and showed clear signs of water erosion. It must have rained there pretty often, same as you can see today on the base of the sphynx.

As far as my research goes, pyramids seem to be very potent amplificators connected to the earth's grid. Energy can not vanish in our universe, it can only be transformed. So what happens when you die? You either go to hell (below) or heaven (above)?

Maybe they used pyramids to make sure their energy or soul follows the upward electromagnetic current to the heavens? :unsure:
 

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I'm glad we even have freemasons here, keep your friends close and your enemies closer?! :p I'm pretty sure the government is browsing here as well :ROFLMAO:
lol, yeah! I may be a "freemason", but that was just a consequence of me being tricked to join the military less than a year after 9-11, I'm one of those..
And as far as the government is concerned, after the Patriot Act, a former combat marine who converted to Islam, oh ya, I'm definitely on a watch-list, and if not, then PRISM isn't doing it's job..(FYI NSA)
 

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Maybe Freemasons which descend from Templars who excavated Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem discovered something scandalous.

Maybe they discovered that Israel was never there. That Israel was actually in Tartaria. That the entire foundation of the Vatican was a Roman cover up and revision of history? The Templars found proof of this somehow, and the Pope in exchange for their silence agreed to give them limitless power and be a nation unto themselves.

This is why the Masons are obsessed with gathering and decoding all religious symbols in the world, they're hoping to recover Tartaria. Or, maybe they already know and their big secret is they're continuing the legacy of Tartaria in secret.

They have this big silent war with the Vatican which has all but erased Tartaria.

The Freemasons want to restore Tartaria. Some would call that the New World Order but in actuality its the ancient world order that was stolen from us.

Not sure who's actually the good guys in this scenario, if any.
Well, maybe that was their original mission, but they got infiltrated by jesuits and sionist jews so you know the story...
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Maybe they used pyramids to make sure their energy or soul follows the upward electromagnetic current to the heavens? :unsure:
I think you are unto something!
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And also why there continues to be a schism today in Freemasonry regarding the Catholic church, and why no Catholic may be a Mason, or risk being excommunicated.
Well, i cant join the freemasons then haha, ex catholic.
and folks started to believe we existed in a clockwork universe with a sun centered solar system, the earth was not the center of anything as the church had been claiming.
I think thats up to debate.
Right Honorable Lord Mayor of London in his fucking solid gold carriage - I shit you not..
IKR
This was the Anti-Masonic Movement in the mid-1800s. All this, coupled with the periods of Central Banks in America that crippled her, by the time we declared bankruptcy March 9, 1933, we lost sovereignty as a nation and defacto'd back to the governance of England because they chartered the colonies.
Yeah, i can believe that, but that didnt happen only in the US, that shit happened in Argentina and Latin America, San Martin and Bolivar were freemasons aswell. However im skeptical, some people here theorised that they were english spies trying to destabilize spanish colonies, it makes sense since the central lodge of freemasons is in London if im not mistaken, i think i really need to read the history of freemasons.
We are under British Maritime Commercial Law
Does this have something to do with birth certificates and the way they are written in capital letters?
From my point of view, the Freemasons, who were obviously the good guys, lost; and the common man is still under the oppression of the Crown and the Cross, and will be forever until we cast down the Holy See, the European monarchies, and those fucking banking cartels.
Well, i think we arrived at the same conclusion, sometimes i entertain the thought of freemasons being the good guys.
 
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Hi! Hope ya don’t mind if I jump in the conversation! I just read Morals and Dogma last night, and I was absolutely convinced that the Jews took over the Freemasons. Most of their secret knowledge is based on Jewish mysticism: Kabbalah, gramaria, the third Eye symbol, etc. what I found ironic is that they had him convinced that they had no interest in reclaiming the Temple mound, yet there they are! At least Pike was very clear about his opinion of the ancient Hebrew way of kill first and ask questions never, can’t imagine they liked that very much..
 
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