Flying Serpents & Pterasaurs

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If you have read some of the other Dinosaur threads, you will likely have come to the conclusion that Dinosaurs have lived alongside man throughout history and not millions of years ago like mainstream theory suggests. This thread is to expand on some of the additional histories or literature on Winged Serpents or Pterasaur type dinosaurs in the near-distant or ancient past.

Winged Serpents or Pterosaurs have lived with mankind
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First, let's start with the
ancient Hebrew meaning

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מְעוֹפֵֽף Meaning:
1) to fly, fly about, fly away, 1a)(Qal), 1a1) to fly, hover, 1a2) to fly away, 1b) (Hiphil) to cause to fly, light upon, 1c1) to fly about or to and fro, 1c2) to cause to fly to and fro, brandish, 1d) (Hithpolel) to fly away, 2) (Qal) to cover, be darker

שָׂרָ֥ף Meaning:
1) serpent, fiery serpent, 1a) poisonous serpent (fiery from burning effect of poison)

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Translates to Flying Serpent
This term is used a few times in the bible:
4 And they journeyed from mount Hor by the way of the Red sea, to compass the land of Edom: and the soul of the people was much discouraged because of the way. 5 And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread. 6 And the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord, and against thee; pray unto the Lord, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. 8 And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. 9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

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Other writers also talked about these serpents or referred to Moses' interaction with them

Josephus Vol 2 Chapter 10. How Moses made war with the Ethiopians.
Moses was to be their General. But Moses prevented the enemies, and took and led his army before those enemies were apprized of his attacking them. For he did not march by the river, but by land; where he gave a wonderful demonstration of his sagacity. For when the ground was difficult to be passed over, because of the multitude of serpents, which it produces in vast numbers; and indeed is singular in some of those productions, which other countries do not breed; and yet such as are worse than others in power and mischief, and an unusual fierceness of sight: some of which ascend out of the ground unseen, and also fly in the air, and so come upon men at unawares, and do them a mischief; Moses invented a wonderful stratagem to preserve the army safe, and without hurt. For he made baskets, like unto arks of sedge, and filled them with Ibes, (28) and carried them along with them: which animal is the greatest enemy to serpents imaginable; for they fly from them, when they come near them, and as they fly they are caught and devoured by them; as if it were done by the harts. But the Ibes are tame creatures, and only enemies to the serpentine kind. But about these Ibes I say no more at present, since the Greeks are not themselves unacquainted with this sort of bird. As soon therefore as Moses was come to the land which was the breeder of these serpents, he let loose the Ibes; and by their means repelled the serpentine kind, and used them for his assistants before the army came upon that ground. When he had therefore proceeded thus on his journey, he came upon the Ethiopians
Cicero's On the Nature of the Gods Book 1 XXXVI
Even the much ridiculed Egyptians never deified an animal except with reference to some benefit which they derived from it. For instance, the ibis, being a tall bird, with legs that do not bend, and a long beak of horn, destroys a vast number of serpents; in killing and eating the winged snakes that are brought in by the south-west wind from the Libyan desert, it preserves Egypt from plague, the snakes being thus prevented from causing harm by their bite when living, or by their smell when dead. I could speak of services rendered by the ichneumenon, the crocodile, and the cat, but I do not wish to be lengthy, and will conclude by saying that it was at least in return for benefits that animals were deified by the barbarians, whereas on the part of your gods there not only exists no beneficent action, but not even action of any kind. God has nothing to do, says Epicurus, thinking, we must suppose, like a spoilt child that there is nothing better than idleness.
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Herodotus - Winged Serpents & Egypt- Book 2, 75
74. There are also about Thebes sacred serpents, not at all harmful to men, which are small in size and have two horns growing from the top of the head: these they bury when they die in the temple of Zeus, for to this god they say that they are sacred.

75. There is a region moreover in Arabia, situated nearly over against the city of Buto, to which place I came to inquire about the winged serpents: and when I came thither I saw bones of serpents and spines in quantity so great that it is impossible to make report of the number, and there were heaps of spines, some heaps large and others less large and others smaller still than these, and these heaps were many in number. This region in which the spines are scattered upon the ground is of the nature of an entrance from a narrow mountain pass to a great plain, which plain adjoins the plain of Egypt; and the story goes that at the beginning of spring winged serpents from Arabia fly towards Egypt, and the birds called ibises meet them at the entrance to this country and do not suffer the serpents to go by but kill them. On account of this deed it is (say the Arabians) that the ibis has come to be greatly honoured by the Egyptians, and the Egyptians also agree that it is for this reason that they honour these birds.

76. The outward form of the ibis is this:—it is a deep black all over, and has legs like those of a crane and a very curved beak, and in size it is about equal to a rail: this is the appearance of the black kind which fight with the serpents, but of those which most crowd round men's feet (for there are two several kinds of ibises) the head is bare and also the whole of the throat, and it is white in feathering except the head and neck and the extremities of the wings and the rump (in all these parts of which I have spoken it is a deep black), while in legs and in the form of the head it resembles the other. As for the serpent its form is like that of the watersnake; and it has wings not feathered but most nearly resembling the wings of the bat. Let so much suffice as has been said now concerning sacred animals.
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Herodotus - Serpents Reproducing In Great Numbers - Book 2, 107
107. Then again Arabia is the furthest of inhabited lands in the direction of the midday, and in it alone of all lands grow frankincense and myrrh and cassia and cinnamon and gum-mastich. All these except myrrh are got with difficulty by the Arabians. Frankincense they collect by burning the storax, which is brought thence to the Hellenes by the Phenicians, by burning this, I say, so as to produce smoke they take it; for these trees which produce frankincense are guarded by winged serpents, small in size and of various colours, which watch in great numbers about each tree, of the same kind as those which attempt to invade Egypt: 9701 and they cannot be driven away from the trees by any other thing but only the smoke of storax.

108. The Arabians say also that all the world would have been by this time filled with these serpents, if that did not happen with regard to them which I knew happened with regard to vipers: and it seems that the Divine Providence, as indeed was to be expected, seeing that it is wise, has made all those animals prolific which are of cowardly spirit and good for food, in order that they may not be all eaten up and their race fail, whereas it has made those which are bold and noxious to have small progeny. For example, because the hare is hunted by every beast and bird as well as by man, therefore it is so very prolific as it is: and this is the only one of all beasts which becomes pregnant again before the former young are born, and has in its womb some of its young covered with fur and others bare; and while one is just being shaped in the matrix, another is being conceived. Thus it is in this case; whereas the lioness, which is the strongest and most courageous of creatures, produces one cub once only in her life; for when she produces young she casts out her womb together with her young; and the cause of it is this:—when the cub being within the mother 98 begins to move about, then having claws by far sharper than those of any other beast he tears the womb, and as he grows larger he proceeds much further in his scratching: at last the time of birth approaches and there is now nothing at all left of it in a sound condition.

109. Just so also, if vipers and the winged serpents of the Arabians were produced in the ordinary course of their nature, man would not be able to live upon the earth; but as it is, when they couple with one another and the male is in the act of generation, as he lets go from him the seed, the female seizes hold of his neck, and fastening on to it does not relax her hold till she has eaten it through. The male then dies in the manner which I have said, but the female pays the penalty of retribution for the male in this manner:—the young while they are still in the womb take vengeance for their father by eating through their mother, 99 and having eaten through her belly they thus make their way out for themselves. Other serpents however, which are not hurtful to man, produce eggs and hatch from them a very large number of offspring. Now vipers are distributed over all the earth; but the others, which are winged, are found in great numbers together in Arabia and in no other land: therefore it is that they appear to be numerous.
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Bonus: Herodutus also talked about the Phoenix
Herodotus - Phoenix - Book 2, 73
73. There is also another sacred bird called the phoenix which I did not myself see except in painting, for in truth he comes to them very rarely, at intervals, as the people of Heliopolis say, of five hundred years; and these say that he comes regularly when his father dies; and if he be like the painting, he is of this size and nature, that is to say, some of his feathers are of gold colour and others red, and in outline and size he is as nearly as possible like an eagle. This bird they say (but I cannot believe the story) contrives as follows:setting forth from Arabia he conveys his father, they say, to the temple of the Sun (Helios) plastered up in myrrh, and buries him in the temple of the Sun; and he conveys him thus:he forms first an egg of myrrh as large as he is able to carry, and then he makes trial of carrying it, and when he has made trial sufficiently, then he hollows out the egg and places his father within it and plasters over with other myrrh that part of the egg where he hollowed it out to put his father in, and when his father is laid in it, it proves (they say) to be of the same weight as it was; and after he has plastered it up, he conveys the whole to Egypt to the temple of the Sun. Thus they say that this bird does.
Native Indians - Thunderbird
One day, long long ago, before the white man came to America, a party of Sioux Indian warriors were out hunting. They had left their village far behind. Before they realized it, the group of braves found themselves alone in the bare and rocky badlands of the West. Suddenly the sky darkened…. There was a clap of thunder that shook the earth. Looking up in terror, the Indians thought they saw the shape of a giant bird falling to earth….The band of hunters travelled over the badlands for days until they came at last to the spot where they thought the giant bird had fallen. Nothing was left of the terrible creature but its bones….The Indians shuddered as they looked at the monster’s skeleton. The bird had fallen so hard they thought, that its bones were partly sunk in the rock. But the braves could see that its wingspread was as big as four tall men standing on top of one another. The strange creature had fierce claws on its wings, as well as on its feet, and the beak was long and sharp. There was a long, bony crest on its head. The Indians knew that they had never seen a bird like it before.


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As cited by writers and ancient sources, these flying serpents resemble some of the legends and stories from different cultures around the world. For the Chinese, the fiery flying dragon was a part of their history for thousands of years. The Royal dynasty even kept living dragons(dinosaurs) to pull their chariots in olden times. Chinese medicine even calls for Dragon bones as part of their ingredients for remedies. It is likely that the different variations of pterosaurs and flying serpents were hatched in great numbers but inhabited specific regions and environments. The Native Indians in North America encountered these large pterosaurs, who carried their tribesman away never to be seen again. There are loads of additional writings on these creatures, but I will leave it up to you to share them below.
 
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Red Bird recently posted on this related thread 2 very nice links to ancient literature about these creatures explaining how our definition/description of "serpents" has changed over time. Apparently serpents had feet (low to the ground like lizards) and there was a particular species identified as "Grendel" (not just a name in Beowulf) but the name of a type of acid-spitting winged serpent.
We've also got pictures on this site somewhere of a pteradactyl/pteradon being killed and captured in the 1800's. Got a nice picture of the creature's killers posing with the enormous kill. (Supposedly it's a fake/publicity stunt).
Lots of references for the material presented! I look forward to following this thread.

Thunderbird sighting: legend or lie?

Pterosaur sighting in Papau New Guinea (We're warned by the Smithsonian to not believe it)

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Sighting in Texas county, 2017
Sighting in Ohio
There have been so many alleged sightings that there's a book about it entitled, Live Pterosaurs in America.

Living Pterosaurs in the USA (I take Whitcomb with a large pinch of salt but he does have one of the few websites available for people to report their findings so it's not him saying he's seen them; it's people from all over the US -39 states so far- reporting their sightings.)

pdf flying-creature.com
 
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I think these creatures come in from another dimension from time to time, and that's when they are seen and sometimes even killed. Something the size of a pterodactyl, if it lived in numbers enough to reproduce, surely would be known about and studied and immediately hunted to extinction. I'm not even sure something that big could fly in our current atmospheric conditions, although smaller species could do so. Popping in and out of our reality would explain why they are seen briefly and then disappear.
 

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Hi Everybody big vdo from Québec city... look a that .... giant information giant. Dragon in Morocco ... also giant information for who knows!

I think I know the cause of the disappearance of the dinosaur .... what do you think that animal of this size was feeding one speaks of, a size of .... several hundred kilometers....your turn to judge

 

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You can't get DNA from stones. Looking at those geological structures and seeing giant dragons, or giant fish or what-have-you is like looking at the clouds and seeing creatures or faces.
 
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Hi Everybody big vdo from Québec city... look a that .... giant information giant. Dragon in Morocco ... also giant information for who knows!

I think I know the cause of the disappearance of the dinosaur .... what do you think that animal of this size was feeding one speaks of, a size of .... several hundred kilometers....your turn to judge

Personally, I didn't really absorb anything of value from the video, but thanks for the response.
 

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I like his laugh and sound of his voice. His videos can also be quite funny, for example the following video. Be warned mature content aka Rock Porn 🤫


His idea is that the decaying flesh and bodily fluids from dead giant humans and animals of the distant past over time became the various types of minerals (and stones) we find in and on the ground (but not all of them of course). It's an interesting thinking-outside-the-box idea.

You can't get DNA from stones. Looking at those geological structures and seeing giant dragons, or giant fish or what-have-you is like looking at the clouds and seeing creatures or faces.
I also agree that looking at geological structures is like seeing shapes of animals or faces in clouds. My understanding is that our brains are wired to do that, a form of pattern recognition. The phenomena is called pareidolia.

The gigantic dragon and fish is interesting, but I find it unbelievable. Where the heck did the fish swim? Outer space? Ha! 🤷‍♂️
 

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