Flight - A Revised History


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By now some of you have been reading through trismegistus post: Hindenburg: Was Zeppelin technology a threat to the 20th century?

Or you have checked out my post: The Sonora Aero Club

Something is clearly up with the history of aeronautics we've been sold. At present, the current narrative suggests that the Montgolfier brothers balloon was the first craft to successfully take to the air.

"The first free (non tethered) human flight took place on November 21, 1783, by science teacher Jean-François Pilâtre de Rozier and François Laurent, Marquis d’Arlandes. The flight began from the grounds of the Château de la Muette in the western outskirts of Paris. They flew aloft about 3,000 feet (910 m) above Paris for a distance of about 5.6 miles (9 km). After 25 minutes, the balloon landed outside the city ramparts on the Butte-aux-Cailles."

- The Montgolfier Brothers' Balloon | The Museum of Flight

But, is this the first record of "non-tethered" human flight? What about this illustration from the Nuremberg Chronicle of April 14th 1561?


Or, a bit earlier in the Liber Chronicarum.

Date: 1034
Location: Europe,

"A rare typeset book from 1493 contains what may be the earliest pictorial representation of a UFO. The book Liber Chronicarum, describes a strange fiery sphere, seen in 1034, soaring through the sky in a straight course from south to east and then veering toward the setting sun."

- UFO depicted in 15th c. book, The Nuremberg Chronicle

Now, what about much, much earlier accounts and descriptions of flying craft?


The Vimanas – Science & Technologies of Ancient Script

There are reference to flying machines in the temple carvings and in the ancient writings. The images found on the ceiling beams of a 3000-year old New Kingdom Temple, located several hundred miles south of Cairo and the Giza Plateau, at Abydos resembles modern day Aircrafts.


Reference to ancient Indian flying vehicles comes from ancient Indian sources, many are the well known ancient Indian Epics, and there are literally hundreds of them. Most of them have not even been translated into English yet from the old sanskrit.

It is claimed that a few years ago, the Chinese discovered some sanskrit documents in Lhasa, Tibet and sent them to the University of Chandrigarh to be translated. Dr. Ruth Reyna of the University said recently that the documents contain directions for building interstellar spaceships!

Their method of propulsion, she said, was “anti-gravitational” and was based upon a system analogous to that of “laghima,” the unknown power of the ego existing in man’s physiological makeup, “a centrifugal force strong enough to counteract all gravitational pull.”

According to Hindu Yogis, it is this “laghima” which enables a person to levitate. Dr. Reyna said that on board these machines, which were called “Astras” by the text, the ancient Indians could have sent a detachment of men onto any planet, according to the document, which is thought to be thousands of years old. The manuscripts were also said to reveal the secret of “antima“, “the cap of invisibility” and “garima“, “how to become as heavy as a mountain of lead.”

19th Century Flying references
Shivkar Bapuji Talpade born in 1864, was a Sanskrit scholar. His birth place is Chirabazar at Dukkarwadi in Bombay. From his young age was attracted by the Vaimanika Shastra (Aeronautical Science) expounded by the great Indian sage Maharishi Bhardwaja.

One western scholar of Indology Stephen-Knapp has tried to explain what Talpade did. According to Knapp, the Vaimanika Shastra describes in detail, the construction of what is called, the mercury vortex engine the forerunner of the ion engines being made today.

Shivkur Bapuji Talpade’s unmanned aircraft flew to a height of 1500 feet before crashing down and the historian, Knapp adds that additional information on the mercury engines can be found in the ancient Vedic text called Samaranga Sutradhara. This text also devotes 230 verses, to the use of these machines in peace and war.

The Indologist William Clarendon, who has written down a detailed description of the mercury vortex engine in his translation of Samaranga Sutradhara quotes thus,

Inside the circular air frame, place the mercury-engine with its solar mercury boiler at the aircraft center. By means of the power latent in the heated mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in a most marvelous manner.​
Four strong mercury containers must be built into the interior structure. When these have been heated by fire through solar or other sources the vimana (aircraft) develops thunder-power through the mercury. It is also added that this success of an Indian scientist was not liked by the Imperial rulers.​

Warned by the British Government the Maharaja of Baroda stopped helping Talpade. His efforts to make known the greatness of Vedic Shastras was recognized by Indian scholars, who gave him the title of Vidya Prakash Pra-deep.

Anti-Gravity Studies
The Indian Emperor Ashoka started a “Secret Society of the Nine Unknown Men“: great Indian scientists who were supposed to catalogue the many sciences. Ashoka kept their work secret because he was afraid that the advanced science catalogued by these men, culled from ancient Indian sources, would be used for the evil purpose of war, which Ashoka was strongly against, having been converted to Buddhism after defeating a rival army in a bloody battle. The “Nine Unknown Men” wrote a total of nine books, presumably one each.

Book number was “The Secrets of Gravitation!” This book, known to historians, but not actually seen by them dealt chiefly with “gravity control.” It is presumably still around somewhere, kept in a secret library in India, Tibet or elsewhere (perhaps even in North America somewhere). One can certainly understand Ashoka’s reasoning for wanting to keep such knowledge a secret, assuming it exists. Ashoka was also aware devastating wars using such advanced vehicles and other “futuristic weapons” that had destroyed the ancient Indian “Rama Empire” several thousand years before.

According to ancient Indian texts, the people had flying machines which were called “Vimanas.” The ancient Indian epic describes a Vimana as a double-deck, circular aircraft with portholes and a dome, much as we would imagine a flying saucer. It flew with the “speed of the wind” and gave forth a “melodious sound.” There were at least four different types of Vimanas; some saucer shaped, others like long cylinders (“cigar shaped airships”).

In 1875, the Vaimanika Shastra, a fourth century B.C. text written by Bharadvajy the Wise, using even older texts as his source, was rediscovered in a temple in India. It dealt with the operation of Vimanas and included information on the steering, precautions for long flights, protection of the airships from storms and lightening and how to switch the drive to “solar energy” from a free energy source which sounds like “anti-gravity.”

The Vaimanika Shastra (or Vymaanika-Shaastra) has eight chapters with diagrams, describing three types of aircraft, including apparatuses that could neither catch on fire nor break. It also mentions 31 essential parts of these vehicles and 16 materials from which they are constructed, which absorb light and heat; for which reason they were considered suitable for the construction of Vimanas.

Vimanas were kept in a Vimana Griha, a kind of hanger, and were sometimes said to be propelled by a yellowish-white liquid, and sometimes by some sort of mercury compound, though writers seem confused in this matter. It is most likely that the later writers on Vimanas, wrote as observers and from earlier texts, and were understandably confused on the principle of their propulsion. The “yellowishwhite liquid” sounds suspiciously like gasoline, and perhaps Vimanas had a number of different propulsion sources, including combustion engines and even “pulse-jet” engines.

It is interesting to note that when Alexander the Great invaded India more than two thousand years ago, his historians chronicled that at one point they were attacked by “flying, fiery shields” that dove at his army and frightened the cavalry. These “flying saucers” did not use any atomic bombs or beam weapons on Alexander’s army however, perhaps out of benevolence, and Alexander went on to conquer India.

It is interesting to note, that the Nazis developed the first practical pulse-jet engines for their V-8 rocket “buzz bombs.” Hitler and the Nazi staff were exceptionally interested in ancient India and Tibet and sent expeditions to both these places yearly, starting in the 30’s, in order to gather esoteric evidence that they did so, and perhaps it was from these people that the Nazis gained some of their scientific information! According to the Dronaparva, part of the Mahabarata, and the Ramayana, one Vimana described was shaped like a sphere and born along at great speed on a mighty wind generated by mercury.

It moved like a UFO, going up, down, backwards and forwards as the pilot desired. In another Indian source, the Samar, Vimanas were,

“iron machines, well-knit and smooth, with a charge of mercury that shot out of the back in the form of a roaring flame.”​

Another work called the Samaranganasutradhara describes how the vehicles were constructed. It is possible that mercury did have something to do with the propulsion, or more possibly, with the guidance system. Curiously, Soviet scientists have discovered what they call “age-old instruments used in navigating cosmic vehicles” in caves in Turkestan and the Gobi Desert.

The “devices” are hemispherical objects of glass or porcelain, ending in a cone with a drop of mercury inside. It is evident that ancient Indians flew around in these vehicles, all over Asia, to Atlantis presumably; and even, apparently, to South America. Writings found at Mohenjodaro in Pakistan (presumed to be one of the “Seven Rishi Cities of the Rama Empire”) and still undeciphered, has also been found in one other place in the world: Easter Island! Writing on Easter Island, called Rongo-Rongo writing, is also undeciphered, and is uncannily similar to the Mohenjodaro script.

In the Mahavira of Bhavabhuti, a Jain text of the eighth century culled from older texts and traditions, we read:

“An aerial chariot, the Pushpaka, conveys many people to the capital of Ayodhya. The sky is full of stupendous flying-machines, dark as night, but picked out by lights with a yellowish glare”​

The Vedas, ancient Hindu poems, thought to be the oldest of all the Indian texts, describe Vimanas of various shapes and sizes: the “ahnihotra-vimana” with two engines, the “elephant-vimana” with more engines, and other types named after the kingfisher, ibis and other animals.

Unfortunately, Vimanas, like most scientific discoveries, were ultimately used for war. Atlanteans used their flying machines, “Vailixi,” a similar type of aircraft, to literally try and subjugate the world, it would seem, if Indian texts are to be believed. The Atlanteans, known as “Asvins” in the Indian writings, were apparently even more advanced technologically than the Indians, and certainly of a more war-like temperament.

Although no ancient texts on Atlantean Vailixi are known to exist, some information has come down through esoteric, “occult” sources which describe their flying machines. Similar, if not identical to Vimanas, Vailixi were generally “cigar shaped” and had the capability of maneuvering underwater as well as in the atmosphere or even outer space. Other vehicles, like Vimanas, were saucer shaped, and could apparently also be submerged.

According to Eklal Kueshana, author of “The Ultimate Frontier,” in an article he wrote in 1966, Vailixi were first developed in Atlantis 20,000 years ago, and the most common ones are,

“saucershaped of generally trapezoidal cross-section with three hemispherical engine pods on the underside.”​
“They use a mechanical antigravity device driven by engines developing approximately 80,000 horse power.”​

The Ramayana, Mahabarata and other texts speak of the hideous war that took place, some ten or twelve thousand years ago between Atlantis and Ramausing weapons of destruction that could not be imagined by readers until the second half of this century. The ancient Mahabharata, one of the sources on Vimanas, goes on to tell the awesome destructiveness of the war:

“…(the weapon was) a single projectile charged with all the power of the Universe.”​

“ANCIENT VIMANA AIRCRAFT” – a Contribution by John Burrows Sanskrit texts are filled with references to gods who fought battles in the sky using Vimanas equipped with weapons as deadly as any we can deploy in these more enlightened times. For example, there is a passage in the Ramayana which reads:

“The Puspaka car that resembles the Sun and belongs to my brother was brought by the powerful Ravan; that aerial and excellent car going everywhere at will …. that car resembling a bright cloud in the sky.”​
“.. and the King [Rama] got in, and the excellent car at the command of the Raghira, rose up into the higher atmosphere.”​

In the Mahabharatra, an ancient Indian poem of enormous length, we learn that an individual named Asura Maya had a Vimana measuring twelve cubits in circumference, with four strong wheels. The poem is a veritable gold mine of information relating to conflicts between gods who settled their differences apparently using weapons as lethal as the ones we are capable of deploying. Apart from ’blazing missiles’, the poem records the use of other deadly weapons. ’Indra’s Dart’ operated via a circular ’reflector’.

When switched on, it produced a ’shaft of light’ which, when focused on any target, immediately ’consumed it with its power’. In one particular exchange, the hero, Krishna, is pursuing his enemy, Salva, in the sky, when Salva’s Vimana, the Saubha is made invisible in some way. Undeterred, Krishna immediately fires off a special weapon:

’I quickly laid on an arrow, which killed by seeking out sound’.​

Many other terrible weapons are described, quite matter of factly, in the Mahabharata, but the most fearsome of all is the one used against the Vrishis. The narrative records:

“Gurkha flying in his swift and powerful Vimana hurled against the three cities of the Vrishis and Andhakas a single projectile charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and fire, as brilliant as ten thousands suns, rose in all its splendor. It was the unknown weapon, the Iron Thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and Andhakas.”​

It is important to note, that these kinds of records are not isolated. They can be cross-correlated with similar reports in other ancient civilizations.

The after-affects of this Iron Thunderbolt have an ominously recognizable ring. Apparently, those killed by it were so burnt that their corpses were unidentifiable. The survivors fared little etter, as it caused their hair and nails to fall out. Perhaps the most disturbing and challenging, information about these allegedly mythical Vimanas in the ancient records is that there are some matter-of-fact records, describing how to build one. In their way, the instructions are quite precise. In the Sanskrit Samarangana Sutradhara, it is written:

“Strong and durable must the body of the Vimana be made, like a great flying bird of light material. Inside one must put the mercury engine with its iron heating apparatus underneath. By means of the power latent in the mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky. The movements of the Vimana are such that it can vertically ascend, vertically descend, move slanting forwards and backwards. With the help of the machines human beings can fly in the air and heavenly beings can come down to earth.”​

The Hakatha (Laws of the Babylonians) states quite unambiguously:

“The privilege of operating a flying machine is great. The knowledge of flight is among the most ancient of our inheritances. A gift from ’those from upon high’. We received it from them as a means of saving many lives.”​

More fantastic still is the information given in the ancient Chaldean work, The Sifrala, which contains over one hundred pages of technical details on building a flying machine. It contains words which translate as graphite rod, copper coils, crystal indicator, vibrating spheres, stable angles, etc.
( Source: The Vimanas - Science & Technologies of Ancient Script | TALL WHITE ALIENS )

Personally, I take the "alien/extraterrestrial" angle with a block of salt. In light of recent research, now I take the whole "reversed alien technology" angle with the entire salt content of The Dead Sea. It has been us building this stuff the entire time!

Edgar Holmes - Gyradoscope









So how does this Gyradoscope actually work?
- Angular Momentum -
Angular Momentum of a Particle

The angular momentum of a particle of mass m with respect to a chosen origin is given by
L = mvr sin θ
or more formally by the vector product
L = r x p
The direction is given by the right hand rule which would give L the direction out of the diagram. For an orbit, angular momentum is conserved, and this leads to one of Kepler's laws. For a circular orbit, L becomes
L = mvr

Think of angular momentum working this way:

Motorcycles in the "Globe of Death," are they defying gravity? Yes, and no. They are merely using a structure to confine their angular momentum so it appears as though they are defying gravity by going upside down, or parallel to the ground. This is much how UFO's work; make absolutely no mistake, it is us doing it - always has been. But, it is not the the knuckle-dragging savages who can comprehend the science or form of physics being used to fly the craft. Science appears to be either magic or miracles from God's or Angel's to the un-initiated. But, once you understand the "mysterious lights in the sky" can be produced by sono-luminescence are you willing to attribute them to aliens?
Ladies and gentlemen we've been flying around in craft that tap into natural forces extant all around us, and we've been doing so for thousands of years. Whether it a craft that uses inertia Inertial Space Drives: Motion Rectifiers,impulse engines, momentum transfer, non-linear propulsion, &C, or ionized particles:


Major DeSeversky: Ionocraft (Popular Mechanics, August 1964) ~ Ion wind propelled aircraft

We've flat out, had this stuff for aeons. Now the science and principles of operation are slowly precipitating out into the world.
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Just found some excellent pdf's regarding the gyroscopic and physical/electromagnetic theories of Eric Laithwaite and the "Gravity Shielding" theories of Hans Nieper:

"A Few Notes About Gyroscopes and Anti-Gravity" by Mario Ludovico
"The Bigger They Are the Harder They Fall" by Eric R. Laithwaite
http://www.gyroscopes.org.uk/papers/Bigger they are the harder they fall.pdf
"Theory of Energy Shielding as a Cause of Gravitational Effects" by Hans A. Nieper, M.D.
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there are 100s of way to levitate.
for some electric ways see the book
secrets of antigravity propulsion, search for it

another way is with purely mechanical systems like the above
or with http://www.ipropulsion.com/home.html ipropulsion
It's been in my library for years

You really need to understand basic electricity and physics in order to get anything out of the book. LaViolette tends to heavily focus on the work of T.Townsend Brown who was the father of "modern" Electro-Gravitic research.
Thomas Townsend Brown: Electro-Gravity Devices (Office of Naval Research File #24-185, Sept. 15, 1952 by Willoughby M. Cady)

P.S. Ever wanted to know how stealth technology works? Here's the patent!
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Look what I found in an old german book of 1883 (Uber Land und Meer Nr 39) a picture of a guy looking up to a flying saucer ( can't be his hat right?) with the german text " was kommt dort von der höh?" (what's up there?) written under it.... strange stuff



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Look what I found in an old german book of 1883 (Uber Land und Meer Nr 39)
Is there any related story or text other than the caption? I'd probably translate as "What's coming from up there?"


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Hold on, I'll check

Apparently the sentence refers to some kind of German song called : Was kommt dort von der höh? , can't find any related text on the page(s)...
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Praveen - "The central figure here is called Mahavira, he looks eerily peaceful, he is one of the most important Gods in Jainism. But his origin is shrouded in mystery. According to ancient texts, he emerged from a spacecraft called Puspa-Uttara. In fact, every statue you see here came out of Vimanas, according to ancient Jain texts. They are collectively known as Vimana Vasins, meaning they are dwellers of Vimana. These deities have some distinct features, some are shown with wings to indicate flight and some are shown with reptilian features, the hood of snakes. Their purpose was to serve and protect the great God Mahavira."


Jainist art in Tirumalai




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According to Hindu Yogis, it is this “laghima” which enables a person to levitate. Dr. Reyna said that on board these machines, which were called “Astras” by the text, the ancient Indians could have sent a detachment of men onto any planet, according to the document, which is thought to be thousands of years old. The manuscripts were also said to reveal the secret of “antima“, the cap of invisibilityand “garima“, “how to become as heavy as a mountain of lead.”

A modern-day Vimana?
The word on the spooky Washington DC street is that the USAF will soon disclose its 30-year-old pickup truck workhorse,
the Lockheed TR3B (G) "Astra." Go US Space Force!
Are the names a coincidence? I think not. It's not only orbitally-capable, it's solar system-capable, but the latter info will remain classified lest we Sheeple want rides here and there. Good luck keeping that detail secret!
No, I am not joking.

Carbon fiber and titanium construction. Inner plasma ring generator. Three antigravitic maneuvering power nodes with lead insulators and monatomic gold superconductors inside semicircle ballistic glass domes coated in powdered quartz crystal. Hexagon underside for even power distribution. (Sacred geometry) Simple-dimple. Chip-cheap, apparently. Hey, we paid for it.
Jeez-louise, they even have a kids model of the early 1978 USAF prototype!

Two of them follow Air Force One on overseas missions in a staggered top cover formation, optically invisible. DEW "weapons free," I heard.
The F-35 fighter has the optical system too (It's production prototype nickname was X-35 Hat Trick), just another step beyond what they say about it on their website. A big step. That's the hat trick. Wink-wink.

Everything public is obsolete by two decades or more, including the Astras.
I know a few military folks who joke about them every day in the Pentagon.

PS: If anyone wants further info on the TR3B aircraft please message me. See LM website link below.

A side note: Lockheed-Martin is now in the energy sector. Now why on Earth would an important military aerospace company be dipping their toes into the energy market? Do they have a fancy technology that no one else has? It's no wonder that in Wash. DC cocktail circles, LM is referred to as "The United States of Lockheed." They have literally spent trillions of US taxpayer money. Now they're trying to sell us a technology that we have paid for ten times over.

Link: Energy

Best to all,

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This is a great thread.
Lets keep posting advanced aircraft!
This is an illustration of the new LM MANTA black craft at the Skunk Works.
Just a mock up, but possibly close to reality.




Manta cockpit.jpeg