Double-headed eagle: its meaning and origins

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I have to say as an avid bird enthusiast the more I see that 2 headed black bird, it is not an Eagle, Eagles do not have that elongated scrawny neck.
 

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Could it be as simple as symbol for harmony? Meaning good/evil exist in some sort of balance? Then an obvious choice was made that we are all too aware of.
 

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to me, with no preconceptions to what the double headed eagle re-presents, it seems to indicate a double minded bird or perhaps a split minded bird.

so.. mind control AKA govern-ment?


"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives."- James Madison


"Self-government requires qualities of self-denial and restraint." - John F. Kennedy
 
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If one thing rings commonplace on this forum is the desire to look behind the veil and pierce deception. Where does deception first originate? I think it originated with the use and abuse of the bicameral mind by segments of society that needed deception to dominate and maintain control resulting in increased tribal fitness and of course entertainment for those in the know. Its the same kind of power we sense and entertainment we receive when a hypnotist succeeds in putting people in trance states.
Bicameralism (psychology) - Wikipedia

The common for the time, carving on the left (image below) might have induced a trance state where the right brain becomes momentarily "super" dominant over the left - according to some Jayneists. Normally without triggers, pre 500BC bicameralism resulted in less of a zombie state but my guess is command shouts and whispers from the right brain throughout the day were enough to keep the unwashed masses in check. Think very well society integrated schizophrenia with those at the top the puppeteers of schizophrenia. My guess is around 500BC or earlier any kind of artwork using left right symmetry if properly abstracted like the image on the left could induce this zombie like state useful for all sorts of control purposes. Post 500BC bilateral designs would be echoes of the images that were everywhere used for "crowd control". Post 500BC the breakdown of the bicameral mind occurred resulting in near perfect muffling of the right brain "voice". Bicameralism (psychology) - Wikipedia

For those people who think society is too left brain dominated they should consider conditions when the right brain was used as a club by the elite to control their minions. I think the double eagle symbol could be an echo of the bicameral mind era and could still be fostered by organizations that connect back to that era in various ways.

In this movie the Templars seek domination through a return to the bicameral mind.



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Are the eagles always pointed straight up? Where are they symbolically going?
 

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I think the double minded bird is symbolically the opposite of the Vesica piscis


the eagle = divide & conquer

the VP = the two into The One

one represents division, the other union but both represent the mind (R/L hemisphere)

p.s. after reconsidering, the VP could go eitherway and the bird, not so much.
 
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I think the double minded bird is symbolically the opposite of the Vesica piscis
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Vesica piscis - Wikipedia

the eagle = divide & conquer
I think the double minded bird is symbolically the opposite of the Vesica piscis
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Vesica piscis - Wikipedia

the eagle = divide & conquer

the VP = the two into The One

one represents division, the other union but both represent the mind (R/L hemisphere)

p.s. after reconsidering, the VP could go eitherway and the bird, not so much.

the VP = the two into The One

one represents division, the other union but both represent the mind (R/L hemisphere)

p.s. after reconsidering, the VP could go eitherway and the bird, not so much.
Exactly the double headed eagle = dis-integration = control through disintegrity. I don't want to hype the Assassin's Creed movie too much but the Assassin's "Creed" stated in the movie early on is "There is no truth" and "Everything is permitted" Sounds like Vesica Piscis (opposite of the double eagle) could have been on their coat of arms if they ever had one. Vesci Pescis is the intersection of truth and lies which is what - "paradox"?

"Another one of Hassan's recorded methods includes causing the hashashin to be vilified by their contemporaries. One story goes that Hassan al-Sabah set up a trick to make it appear as if he had decapitated one of his hashashin and the "dead" hashashin's head lay at the foot of his throne. It was actually one of his men buried up to his neck covered with blood. He invited his hashashin to speak to it. He said that he used special powers to allow it to communicate. The supposed talking head would tell the hashashin about paradise after death if they gave all their hearts to the cause. After the trick was played, Hassan had the man killed and his head placed on a stake in order to cement the deception.[32] "
Templars are said to have used this same trick but probably without decapitating the assistant.

"Magic" in those days was a bit more intense then now.
Assassins - Wikipedia
 
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Sounds like Vesica Piscis (opposite of the double eagle) could have been on their coat of arms if they ever had one. Vesci Pescis is the intersection of truth and lies which is what - "paradox"?
like I mentioned, the VP works both ways.(those two circles could be seen as moving together or apart) the VP is many things and it alone is worth some serious investigation IMO but that off the topic here though.
 

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The Phoenix is symbolized in Transylvania by the double-headed Raven, brother of Lilith. This bird was adopted by the Hittites and came to symbolize the holy roman empire in the corrupted form of an eagle. This Double Headed Raven, the Phoenix, is the penultimate symbol of the dragon people. In the last process of its regeneration, the Phoenix becomes The Star, the An of the Anunnagi, the Elves or Shining Ones: the ultimate symbol of the Dragon Race.
From Transylvania to Tunbridge Wells - Chapter 12
 

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To my understanding as of today, the double headed eagle could represent the two electrical toroidal fields playing one with another via magnetism. The intersection of both these fields forms in front of our I's (eyes).


Just had an epiphany about the countless visual representations of snakes and eagles on the pharaohs head / mind, bare with me and see if it makes any sense.

Could the snake be an allegorical depiction of magnetism as it has no feet or wings, as its in theory bound to the ground. Just like magnetism is bound to any electric conductor or "wire" so to speak. You can not have magnetism without a current flowing. And a current is just the difference in charge between point A and point B.

The eagle on the other hand is free to roam the vastness of space, as the charged electrons do.

The ruler with a "free" mind, that brought knowledge of electricity to the people. :unsure:
 

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So i finally read this thread(after i posted the below somewhere els)....
I have to check the double-headed eagle thread jet, but i just wanted to express a thought.....i am confinced that the double-head is a phoenix.....so when there is a single head it may respresent the common-folks(there legacy will not rise again and again).....i know this thought doesn’t hold for all flags(because of the russia flag and others).....but it might aswell be the reason for the symbol mostly dissapering from flags, but still being prominent in masonry.....
from this thread Here

You know
I got confinced of it being a phoenix, after checking some vids
I don’t really remember wich one
But ill can give you’ll some links

(I haven’t totally checked this)A playlist i stole
And this one it started myself(offcourse i did check these)

Well: i try to imagine how something came to be aye
And what tells me that is, that all esoteric meanings can be putt aside(at first)
Cause when we get born, there is no meaning,...only shape
So i believe that the phoenix must have been a shape that resambled something like a bird
(I’m thinking Electric-universe again)this shape probably left our sky’s
But it closely resembled the sun, so at a moment it became a symbol of the sun-cycle
death at dawn, and reborn at dusk<<<
But the story of the phoenix was not, really portrait by a thunderbird
So to make the symbol more catchy, someone thought of a double-headed
And so on....and so on(back to esoteric/multi meanings)

Btw(esoteric) it must have something to do with bloodlines, born from the ‘same’ blood

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As far as I knew the eagle was the symbol of Rome.
Then after Charlemagne, the holy roman empire took up the double eagle - one looking to the East and to the West, symbolic of Constantinople and Rome.

And whats really interesting here, is that American Eagle ALWAYS look West, Governing the Western world; and Hitler and the Nazi's adopted the Eastern facing Eagle, all their Eagles face East, and I'm convinced the Catholics backed both Hitler and the West - just in case he won - and maybe they sanctioned him using the Eagle?

Who knows the real meanings anymore.

I just wish we all would have listened to Franklin and adopted the Turkey instead, just sayin
 

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I was reading something a coupla days ago that said the double headed eagle represented the kingly class and the priestly class. A symbol of joint rulership. Don't recall that they backed their opinion up with any documentation or sources for their opinion so take it for what it's worth.
 
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