Dinosauria: Fact or Fiction?

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-Robbin Koefoed, “The Dinosaurs Never Existed”
-David Wozney, “Dinosaurs: Science or Science Fiction”
-Eric Dubay, “The Atlantean Conspiracy”

I would like to take you through some reference material around Dinosauria as a whole. We have been lead down a one way street with theories and claims to propagate the nihilistic evolutionary narrative. Think of it as the missing link the animal kingdom needed to bridge the gap between man and beast. I am sure huge animals/cryptids have inhabbited these plains before, but to come to conclusions on animals from 250 million years ago, from their skin to their mannerisms is outlandish to say the very least!

Non-bird dinosaurs lived between about 245 and 66 million years ago, in a time known as the Mesozoic Era. This was many millions of years before the first modern humans, Homo sapiens, appeared. Scientists divide the Mesozoic Era into three periods:
  • The Triassic
  • Jurassic
  • Cretaceous
With the overall goal to hide the existance of intelligent design a quick preface on evolution as a whole, Darwin and his lavish claims with no physical objective proofs hold no weight in real natural science. Remember even if the argument is “its happened over millions of years” for one animal to completely change its genus, we would have to have one animal giving birth to a totally different animal at some point in them "millions of years".

We can have hundreds of breeds of Dogs and Cats due to micro evolution, but the idea of one totally changing to another belongs in the the categories of fairytales.

Darwin hoped that transitional forms of animal species gradually evolving into different species would eventually be discovered at some future time in the fossil record (Will be waiting a while). To this day, however, no such transitional forms have ever been found anywhere in the world. Darwin’s observations regarding natural selection and adaptation were certainly correct. So-called “micro-evolution” of various traits and characteristics within a species has been confirmed and widely exists, but “macro-evolution,” the supposed transformation from one species into a completely different species has never been observed, and no evidence of such evolution exists anywhere in the fossil record.

Colin Patterson, senior paleontologist for the British Museum of Natural History and an ardent evolutionist, even he admits that Darwinists must concede natural selection has never been observed to actually cause anything to evolve:

“No one has ever produced a species by mechanisms of natural selection. No one has ever got near it and most of the current argument in neo-Darwinism is about this question.”

Jurassic Park ... (cue dramatic music)

The class “Dinosauria” was originally defined by “Sir” Richard Owen of the Royal Society, and Superintendent of the British Museum Natural History Department in 1842. In other words, the existence of dinosaurs was first speculatively hypothesised by a knighted museum-head “coincidentally” in the mid-19th century, during the heyday of evolutionism, before a single dinosaur fossil had ever been found. The Masonic media and mainstream press worldwide got to work hyping stories of these supposed long-lost animals, and then lo and behold, 12 years later in 1854, Ferdinand Vandiveer Hayden during his exploration of the upper Missouri River, found “proof” of Owen’s theory! A few unidentified teeth he mailed to leading palaeontologist Joseph Leidy, who several years later declared them to be from an ancient extinct “Trachodon,” dinosaur (which beyond ironically means “rough tooth”).

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Sir Richard Owen (above) - Richard Owen

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Ferdinand Vandeveer Hayden (above) - Ferdinand Vandeveer Hayden

Firstly, it should be needless to say that it is impossible to reconstruct an entire hypothetical ancient animal based on a few teeth! But even more importantly, it is dubious that a myriad of ancient reptile/bird and reptile/mammal transitional forms necessary for the blossoming theory of evolution, would be hypothesised and then conveniently “discovered” by teams of evolutionist archeologists purposely out looking to find such fossils! And it is even more dubious that such fossils have supposedly existed for millions of years but were never found by or known to any civilisation in the history of humanity until evolutionism’s Masonic renaissance in the mid-19th century!

“Why are there no discoveries by native Americans in all the years previous when they roamed the American continents? There is no belief of dinosaurs in the Native American religion or tradition. For that matter, why were there no discoveries prior to the nineteenth century in any part of the world? According to the World Book Encyclopedia, ‘before the 1800’s no one ever knew that dinosaurs existed.’ During the late 1800’s and early 1900’s, large deposits of dinosaur remains were discovered …Why has man suddenly made all these discoveries?”
-David Wozney, “Dinosaurs: Science or Science Fiction”

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No tribes, cultures or countries in the world ever discovered a dinosaur bone before the mid-1800s, and then they were suddenly found all over the world in North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Argentina, Belgium, Mongolia, Tanzania, West Germany and many other places apparently had large deposits of dinosaur fossils never before seen. All these places were inhabited and well-explored for thousands of years before this time, why had no one ever found a dinosaur fossil before?

According to the book, “The Dinosaur Project,” paleontological journalist Wayne Grady claims the period following this, from around 1870 to 1880 became “a period in North America where some of the most underhanded shenanigans in the history of science were conducted.” In what was known as “The Great Dinosaur Rush” or “Bone Wars,” Edward Drinker Cope of the Academy of Natural Sciences and Othniel Marsh of the Peabody Museum of Natural History, began a life-long rivalry and passion for “dinosaur hunting.” They started out as friends but became bitter enemies during a legendary feud involving double-crossing, slander, bribery, theft, spying, and destruction of bones by both parties. Marsh is said to have discovered over 500 different ancient species including 80 dinosaurs, while Cope discovered 56. Out of the 136 dinosaur species supposedly discovered by the two men, however, only 32 are presently considered valid; the rest have all proven to be falsifications and fabrications! None of them once claimed to find a complete skeleton either, so all their work involved reconstructions. In fact, to this day no complete skeleton has ever been found, and so all dinosaurs are reconstructions.

“Discoveries and excavations seem not to be made by disinterested people, such as farmers, ranchers, hikers, outdoor recreationists, building construction industry basement excavators, pipeline trench diggers, and mining industry personnel but rather by people with vested interests, such as paleontologists, scientists, university professors, and museum organization personnel who were intentionally looking for dinosaur bones or who have studied dinosaurs previously. The finds are often made during special dinosaur-bone hunting trips and expeditions by these people to far-away regions already inhabited and explored. This seems highly implausible. More believable is the case of the discovery of the first original Dead Sea scrolls in 1947, which were unintentionally discovered by a child, and which were all published by 1955. In some cases of a discovery of dinosaur bones by a disinterested person, it was suggested to them by some ‘professional’ in the field to look or dig in a certain area. Also very interesting to note are special areas set aside and designated as dinosaur parks for which amateur dinosaur hunters are required to first obtain a dinosaur hunting license.”
-David Wozney, “Dinosaurs: Science or Science Fiction”

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Whatever destination these establishment-funded archeologists and paleontologists set, it seemed they found incredible numbers of fossils in tiny areas. In one of the largest dinosaur excavation sites, called the Ruth Mason Quarry, over 2,000 fossils were allegedly discovered. Casts and original skeletons assembled from these bones are currently on display in over 60 museums world-wide. Florentino Ameghino, head of paleontology at La Plata Museum is amazingly responsible for 6,000 fossil species supposedly discovered throughout his career all in Argentina. Dinosaur hunter Earl Douglass sent 350 tons of excavated “dinosaur” bones to the Carnegie Museum of Natural History throughout his career, all coming from the “Dinosaur National Monument” in Utah. During an expedition to Patagonia, Dr. Luis Chiappe and Dr. Lowell Dingus supposedly discovered thousands of dinosaur eggs at a site of only a few hundred square yards. Many experts have mentioned how such finds of huge quantities of fossils in one area, by just a few highly-invested individuals, goes against the laws of natural probability and lends credence to the likelihood of forgeries or concentrated planting efforts.

“‘Dinosaur’ bones sell for a lot of money at auctions. It is a profitable business. There is pressure for academics to publish papers. Museums are in the business of producing displays that are popular and appealing. Movie producers and the media need to produce material to sell to stay in business. The mainstream media loves to hype alleged dinosaurs finds. Much is to be gained by converting a bland non-dinosaur discovery, of a bone of modern origin, into an impressive dinosaur find, and letting artists' interpretations and imaginations take the spotlight, rather than the basic boring real find. There are people who desire and crave prestige, fame and attention. There is the bandwagon effect and crowd behaviour. And then there are people and entities pursuing political and religious agendas. Highly rewarding financial and economic benefits to museums, educational and research organizations, university departments of paleontology, discoverers and owners of dinosaur bones, and the book, television, movie, and media industries may cause sufficient motivations for ridiculing of open questioning and for suppression of honest investigation.”
-David Wozney, “Dinosaurs: Science or Science Fiction”.

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The fact that “T-Rex” bones have sold at auctions for upwards of $12 million shows how lucrative the field of dinosaur-hunting can be, and it just happens to be Museum officials who serendipitously seem to make the most prolific finds! The first dinosaur to ever be publicly displayed was the “Hadrosaurus foulkii,” at Edward Drinker Cope’s Academy of Natural Sciences in Philidelphia. The bones were co-discovered by Joseph Leidy, Cope’s esteemed professor, and the man responsible for the “Trachodon” toothosaurus. The original Hadrosaurus reconstruction, which is still on display today, shows a huge plaster cast bipedal reptile standing upright using its tail as a third-leg. What few people know, however, is that no skull was ever discovered and no original bones were put in the public exhibit.

“A visual and a sculptural artist were promptly hired to invent a skull, and from the illustrations of another artist, who had depicted the Iguanadon, the two artists drew the same face for the Hadrosaurus foulkii. The people involved could now technically defend the existence of this dinosaur, if someone were to ask. The stunt worked out so well, and fooled the public so thoroughly, that they could later change the head of the creature without anyone noticing. To this day, Hadrosaurus foulkii is on display at the Academy of Natural Sciences in Philadelphia. The bones are said to be kept behind heavy, closed doors, but a plaster copy is exhibited in their place … So we learn of an iguana skull being substituted for the skull of a dinosaur on display. Was the public told at the time? What are we not being told today?”
-David Wozney, “Dinosaurs: Science or Science Fiction”

What we are not being told is that this is the rule and the not the exception. To this day not a single complete skeleton of any dinosaur has ever been found! All the museum displays, models, mannequins, cartoons, and movies of prehistoric monsters you have ever seen are all imaginative reconstructions based on incomplete skeletons arranged in a manner paleontologists believe to be most realistic. Furthermore, the skeletons exhibited in museums are all admittedly intricate fabrications made of plaster, fiberglass, various epoxies, and other animal bones, not original fossils.

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When “dinosaur” bones are transported and prepared they use strips of burlap soaked in plaster to jacket over the fossils. Then after applying a tissue separator to keep the plaster from direct contact with the bone, the soaked burlap strips are laid on until it is totally encased in a protective mummy-like coating ready for safe transport. In an article titled “A Fossil’s Trail From Excavation to Exhibit” one insider remarked that, “Through moldmaking and casting we can totally fabricate limbs, ribs, vertebrae, etc., for the missing pieces of an articulated skeletal mount. Plaster, fiberglass and epoxies are often and commonly used. In reconstruction work on single bones, small to large cracks can be filled in with mache or plaster mixed with dextrin, a starch that imparts an adhesive quality and extra hardness to regular molding plaster. We’ve also had success using epoxy putties. Large missing fragments can be sculpted directly in place with these same materials.”

In other words, Museum personnel work with plaster and other materials to transport and fabricate skeletons and missing or incomplete bones all the time. In fact, the huge “dinosaur bone” displays found in museums across the world are admittedly carefully prepared fakes! No independent researcher has ever examined a real dinosaur skull! They claim all the actual fossils are kept in high-security storage, but only a select few paleontologists are ever allowed to examine them, so the ability to ascertain their authenticity is kept from the general public.

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Most people believe that dinosaur skeletons displayed in museums consist of real dinosaur bones. This is not the case. The real bones are incarcerated in thick vaults to which only a select few highly placed researchers hold a key, which means that NO independent researcher has ever handled a tyrannosaurus rex bone. When people unaffiliated with the paleontological establishment attempt to gain access in order to study these dinosaur bones, they are met with refusal upon refusal … Only around 2100 dinosaur bones sets have been discovered worldwide, and out of these, only 15 incomplete Tyrannosaurus Rex bone sets have been found. These dinosaur bone sets have never formed a complete skeleton, but from these incomplete bones sets, paleontologists have constructed a hypothesis about the appearance of the whole skeleton, which they have modeled in plastic. If thousands of longnecks and large carnivorous reptiles had really roamed Earth, we wouldn’t only have found 2100 dinosaur bone sets, but millions of bones, with ordinary people tripping over them when digging in their vegetable patches.”
-Robbin Koefoed, “The Dinosaurs Never Existed”

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“When children go to a dinosaur museum, are the displays they see displays of science or displays of art and science fiction? Are we being deceived and brainwashed at an early age into believing a dinosaur myth? Deep probing questions need to be asked of the entire dinosaur business. There may have been an ongoing effort since the earliest dinosaur ‘discoveries’ to plant, mix and match bones of various animals, such as crocodiles, alligators, iguanas, giraffes, elephants, cattle, kangaroos, ostriches, emus, dolphins, whales, rhinoceroses, etc. to construct and create a new man-made concept prehistoric animal called the dinosaur. Where bones from existing animals are not satisfactory for deception purposes, plaster substitutes may be manufactured and used. Some material similar or superior to plasticine clay or plaster of Paris would be suitable. Molds may also be employed. What would be the motivation for such a deceptive endeavor? Obvious motivations include trying to prove evolution, trying to disprove or cast doubt on the Christian Bible and the existence of the Christian God, and trying to disprove the ‘young-earth theory.’ The dinosaur concept implies that if God exists, He tinkered with His idea of dinosaurs for awhile, then probably discarded or became tired of this creation and then went on to create man. The presented dinosaur historical timeline suggests an imperfect God who came up with the idea of man as an afterthought, thus demoting the biblical idea that God created man in His own image.”
-David Wozney, “Dinosaurs: Science or Science Fiction”

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Type “Dinosaur Skulls” into a search engine and you will find a variety of replicas, tailor made dinosaurs, and “museum-quality” skeletons. One of the largest and most-renowned suppliers of fake dinosaurs is the Zigong Dino Ocean Art Company in Sichuan, China which provides natural history museums worldwide with ultra-realistic dinosaur skeletons made from real bones! Chicken, frog, dog, cat, horse and pig’s bones are melted down, mixed with glue, resin and plaster, then used as base material for re-casting as “dinosaur bones.” They are even given intentional fractures and an antiquated/fossilized look to achieve the right effect. Their website boasts, “Over 62% of our output goes to American and European markets, which means we will understand and are familiar with the intricacies and regulation of exporting to these regions … Since we are a partner of Dinosaur Museums, all products are made under the guidance of experts of the Chinese Academy of Sciences … We have gained a global sales network reaching the USA, Brazil, France, Poland, Russia, Germany, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Thailand, Indonesia, exhibited in Peru, Argentina, Vancouver, Cincinnati, Chicago and other places.

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“I have heard there is a fake-fossil factory in northeast China, in Liaoning Province, near the deposits where many of these recent alleged feather dinosaurs were found.”
-Alan Feduccia, University of North Carolina Paleontology Professor

On November 21, 2002, the journal Nature published an article named "Archaeoraptor's Better Half: The Other Component of the Infamous Fossil Forgery is Identified as a Fish-Eating Bird." (VOl 420, 2002) After careful measurements and morphological study, scientists concluded that the Archaeoraptor fossil that was once proclaimed as a key intermediate between carnivorous dinosaurs and birds is now known to be a forgery. It is a chimera formed of bird and dromaeosaur parts.

Fake Fossil Factory

“The possibility exists that key dinosaur bones on display have been artificially modified through sculpture and carving. Bone sculpture is not an unknown human activity. Many cultures participate in creating man-made objects out of existing bones, totally unrecognizable from the original shape. Is the dinosaur industry a customer of this sort of business? Is it possible that dinosaur skeleton replica are secretly assembled or manufactured in private buildings out of public view, with bones artificially constructed or used from a number of different modern-day animals? Why bother having any authentic original fossils at all if alleged replicas please the public?”
-David Wozney, “Dinosaurs: Science or Science Fiction”

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Another problem with dinosaurs is their unnatural structural dynamics. Many dinosaur skeletons and reconstructions feature bipedal monsters like the T-Rex with a forward-leaning torso and head far larger and heavier than its counter-balancing tail. Many museum displays cannot even stand up under their own weight; it is highly unlikely that beasts this large and disproportionate could exist at all. The loads acting on their skeletons are so great that calculations indicate t ophe bones of the largest dinosaurs would buckle and crack under their own immense weight! Experts have also pointed out that dinosaurs would have to have moved much slower than portrayed in movies to prevent sudden shocks to their skeletons.

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“This idea of slow moving animals does not agree with the bio-mechanical analysis of dinosaurs, which indicate that the Dinosaurs were agile, active creatures. This is the paradox between the Dinosaurs size and lifestyle. Many displays and drawings of dinosaurs appear to be an absurdity, showing a two-legged animal that would be totally off-balance, with the weight of head and abdomen much greater than weight of tail, which is supposed to act as a counter-balance. Is the dinosaur industry a case of science trying to meet public desires or expectations? The movie Jurassic Park is an example of showing dinosaurs much larger than any current displays in museums. After the movie came out, it is interesting to note that many articles were written asking ‘Is this possible?’ I can recall a report of dinosaur DNA being discovered preserved in amber, which later turned out to be false.”
-David Wozney, “Dinosaurs: Science or Science Fiction”

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“Overall, several millions of dollars have been spent promoting the existence of dinosaurs through movies, TV, magazines and comics. The world of movies and paleontology are like Siamese twins. People’s view on the existence of dinosaurs is based not on firm evidence, but on Hollywood fixated artistic impressions. Documentaries colorfully illustrate each dinosaur’s characteristics, like colors, weight and muscle mass, but Don Lessem (advisor for Jurassic Park) admits that this is pure guesswork - consider for instance the question of how much these dinosaurs weigh. Don Lessem says, ‘Scientists don’t know how much dinosaurs weighed!’” -Robbin Koefoed, “The Dinosaurs Never Existed”

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Dinosaurs are presented to the public with colorful artistic reconstructions, drawings, models, mannequins, gigantic skeletons in museums, cartoons and movies showing these beasts in explicit detail, but the fact is from the assigning and arrangement of bones in each species, to the impossible to discern soft tissue, skin, eyes, noses, color, hairyness, texture etc., just like the many supposed Ape-Man species, all dinosaur reconstructions are 100% fictional fabrications created by invested and inventive evolutionists. They purposely present dinosaurs to children in the media to spark and bias their young imaginations towards their machinations. Cartoons like “Ice Age” and “The Land Before Time” movies like “Jurassic Park” and “Dinosaur Island” coloring books, dolls, plastic toys, elementary school textbooks, and huge displays in children’s museums certainly have an effect on budding young minds.

National Geographic and the Ice Age movies were produced by Mason Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp. and 20th Century Fox. The Masonic production company Universal Studios created Jurassic Park and The Land Before Time. They are owned by Comcast, whose main shareholders are Masons JP Morgan and the Rothschilds. Discovery Channel which features many dinosaur documentaries is also financially advised by N M Rothschild and Sons Limited.

Former Paleontology student Michael Forsell claimed on a radio interview with leading paleontologist Jack Horner, that he was “a total fraud, fabricating evidence and perpetuating the myth of dinosaurs.” He continued on saying,

“I started my career in the field of paleontology, only to leave my studies once I realized the whole thing was a sham. It’s nonsense, most of the so-called skeletons in museums are actually plaster casts. They even do it openly on documentaries now, preserving the bones my ass! I struggled as a student, mainly because I could not tell the difference between a fossilized egg and an ordinary rock, and of course there is no difference. I was treated like a leper when I refused to buy into their propaganda, and promptly left the course. Dinosaurs never existed, the whole shebang is a freak show, they just grab a couple of old bones and form them into their latest Frankenstein’s monster-like exhibit. We are all being fooled and it’s wrong, but together we can stop it.”

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Many claim that since dinosaur fossils have been radiometrically dated to be tens of millions of years old that their authenticity is thus proven. The fact is, however, that the methods used to date dinosaur fossils involve not measuring the actual fossils, but the rocks near where they are found. Most fossils are found near the surface of the earth, and if a modern-day animal were to die in the area, paleontologists would be likely to date them the same age! Dr. Margaret Helder in her book “Completing the Picture, A Handbook on Museums and Interpretive Centers Dealing with Fossils,” she writes, “Scientists used to be very impressed with the potential of radiometric for coming up with absolutely reliable ages of some kinds of rocks. They do not feel that way anymore. Having had to deal with numerous calculated dates which are too young or too old compared with what they expected, scientists now admit that the process has many more uncertainties than they ever would have supposed in the early years. The public knows almost nothing about uncertainties in the dating of rocks. The impression that most people have received is that many rocks on earth are extremely old and that the technology exists to make accurate measurements of the ages. Scientists have become more and more aware however that the measurements which the machines make, may tell us nothing about the actual age of the rock.”

One of the main reasons that evolutionists “needed” the existence of dinosaurs was to answer the complicated problems present in the theory of evolution including: sea-dwelling animals evolving into land-dwellers; reptiles evolving wings, feathers, flying and becoming birds; as well as other reptiles evolving warm-blood, live births, breasts and becoming mammals. Through their imaginary multi-million-year timeline and a variety of supposed transitional dinosaur forms, the paleontological establishment has been promoting various sea-dinosaur, reptile/birds and reptile/mammals to bridge these gaps. Many professionals and experts in the field have disputed such findings as often as they have been presented, however. Dr. Storrs Olson, a Smithsonian Institute Scientist, wrote, “The idea of feathered dinosaurs and the theropod origin of birds is being actively promulgated by a cadre of zealous scientists acting in concert with certain editors at Nature and National Geographic who themselves have become outspoken and highly biased proselytizers of the faith. Truth and careful scientific weighing of evidence have been among the first casualties in their program, which is now fast becoming one of the grander scientific hoaxes or our age.”

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No authentic feathers have ever been found with dinosaur fossils, though a few exposed hoaxes certainly attempted to fake it. Dr. Olson called the adding of feathers to their findings “hype, wishful thinking, propaganda, nonsense fantasia, and a hoax.” In the 1990s many fossils with feathers were supposedly discovered in China (suspiciously close to the Zigong Dino Ocean Art Company), but when examined Dr. Timothy Rowe found the so-called “Confuciusornis” was an elaborate hoax. He also found the “Archeoraptor” supposedly discovered in the 90s was composed of bones from 5 different animals! When Dr. Rowe presented his findings to National Geographic the head scientist reportedly remarked “well all of these have been fiddled with!” National Geographic then proceeded with their news conferences and media stories about the Archeoraptor fossils being genuine and having found the missing link in evolution.

“In 1999, National Geographic magazine was busted when they presented, in a colorful and fancily presented article, the missing link. An Archeoraptor dinosaur, which was supposed to support the basic tenet of evolutionary theory, that dinosaurs had slowly developed over millions of years. Their proof consisted of a fossil, where carefully arranged bone imprints gave the impression of a creature half dinosaur and half bird. The scam was discovered during a CT scan which uncovered unnatural bone links. National Geographic magazine was later forced to admit, when pressured, that the fossil was man-made!”
-Robbin Koefoed, “The Dinosaurs Never Existed”

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Paleontologists claim that “Archaeopteryx” is another transitional form of bird evolved from dinosaurs, but this theory falls on its face against overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Other species like Confuciusornis, Liaoningornis, and Eoalulavis have all been found to be contemporary with the Archaeopteryx and are indistinguishable from present-day birds. Alan Feduccia from University of North Carolina, one of the most famous ornithologists in the world stated, “I’ve studied bird skulls for 25 years and I don’t see any similarities whatsoever. I just don’t see it. The theropod origins of birds, in my opinion, will be the greatest embarrassment of paleontology of the 20th century.” Larry Martin from the University of Kansas, a paleo-ornithologist says, “to tell you the truth, if I had to support the dinosaur origin of birds with those characters, I’d be embarrassed every time I had to get up and talk about it.”

Even if dinosaurs did evolve into birds to fill their evolution gap, it does not explain how something like the common housefly could have evolved. Flies flap their wings simultaneously 500 times per second, even the slightest dissonance in vibration would cause them to lose balance and fall, but this never happens.
  • How could they “evolve” such an amazing and specialized ability?
  • Why were dinosaurs never discovered before the evolutionist renaissance in the mid-19th century?
  • Why do paleontologists think they can reconstruct an entire species of ancient animal from a few teeth?
  • Why have so many dinosaur “discoveries” turned out to be hoaxes?
  • Why are all “authentic dinosaur fossils” kept under tight lock and key away from any independent analysis?
  • Why has erosion and weathering not destroyed all these supposed prints and fossils that are allegedly millions of years old?
  • If dinosaurs were supposedly wiped out by a meteor impact or other such global catastrophe, why is it that all the other various animal species that exist today were not similarly wiped out?
There are many more questions which need to be answered before anyone in their right-mind should consider the existence of dinosaurs anything but a convenient evolutionist myth.

“The paleontological establishment can control which hypotheses will be constructed through textbooks and the curriculum. In this way, students are brainwashed into a pseudo-reality controlled by the text material and the teacher’s authority. A short practical example; a random dental bone is found at an excavation site and from this dental bone, the rest of the skeleton is guessed at. We are not kidding about this. The entire dinosaurian field of the paleontological program is a sham.”
-Robbin Koefoed, “The Dinosaurs Never Existed”

To conclude, we have numerous discrepancies in the whole story of "Dinosauria". For me it seems it was simply a missing piece of the puzzle, brought to fruition from master masons to confuse the masses. I for one have always pondered how carbon dating can be so accurate. As I know now, it’s not.

The word "Giants" seems to resonate with me when it comes to large bones being found, would love some input from you guys.

TH
 
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trismegistus

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As a child of the 90s, I can say that the culture I grew up in definitely indoctrinated me to dinosaurs. Hell, Jurassic Park is still one of my favorite movies in spite of the lack of evidence of dinosaurs. I was all in - - I absorbed everything I possibly could about them growing up. I see now that this was likely by design, for some reason the dinosaur meme needed to be pushed onto us hard.

I must admit, dinosaurs are one of those modern day stories that I probably have held onto a bit longer past the point of credulity, if only because of how much I used to love the topic when I was younger. But there is not a single mainstream point that I have read to refute the content in the OP. The burden of proof is truly on the paleontologists and museums to confirm the existence of real fossils, not the fakes that they display for the public. I recently went to a special exhibit in a science museum focused on dinosaurs. It was certainly an impressive looking exhibit, well put together. Shame that basically everything they had was a fake - - plaster casts and faux fossils. One of the more entertaining highlights of the exhibit was a hands-on display where it had you touch a "real" fossil and compare it to regular rocks and replicas. As if somehow among all the fakes you aren't allowed to touch, they let any Tom, Dick, or Harry touch this one as an "example" of what a real fossil feels like.
One of the main reasons that evolutionists “needed” the existence of dinosaurs was to answer the complicated problems present in the theory of evolution including: sea-dwelling animals evolving into land-dwellers; reptiles evolving wings, feathers, flying and becoming birds; as well as other reptiles evolving warm-blood, live births, breasts and becoming mammals. Through their imaginary multi-million-year timeline and a variety of supposed transitional dinosaur forms, the paleontological establishment has been promoting various sea-dinosaur, reptile/birds and reptile/mammals to bridge these gaps.
If a skeptic were to say "There's no reason for scientists to hoax dinosaurs" this would be the most appropriate rebuttal. If, in fact, Darwinian macro-evolution is a lie (it probably is imo), then dinosaurs would be the perfect solution to keeping the lie going -- a "missing link" between sea and land creatures where the public is completely okay with fakes, hoaxes, and pure speculation.

Oh, and of course, don't forget the "scientific" explanation for fossil fuels - - just give us your bones!
 

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certainly the usual suspects involved in the dino story but on the flip side, the with having whales and even the overwhelming reports of giant mankind here, its not that difficult to consider it possible that huge reptiles once also existed.

I maintain shadows of doubt on both sides.
 

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The fervor of the dinosaur explosion is unusual, to say the least... Terrible lizards went by a different name not that long ago. In fact, I'd bet there isn't a single person here that hasn't heard of the Dragon. There are many different informations on the mythology of Dragons with contradicting points in some cases. Some describe them as savage beasts others describe them as highly-intelligent gatekeepers. One thing I do know...it sure would be hard to populate the earth with them things around.
 

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Maybe dinosaur bones were found in ancient times, but were assumed to be other things, like dragons or giants or whatever? If they did exist, then Earth's gravity had to have been much lower back then. There is simply no way they could have existed otherwise. In modern times, the size of animals is limited by gravity. The largest known African elephant weighed around 12 tons (The Largest Animal that Walked Ever Felled by a Gun), and that's an exception. They usually top out at around 2.5 to 7 tons, with females being smaller. Blue whales, the largest mammals on Earth, can weigh up to 200 tons, but they are in water that supports their massive weight. Nothing on land ever could weigh that much, except on some world with a lot less gravity than we have now. So either Earth has changed a LOT since the dinosaurs...or dinosaurs didn't really exist, at least not as we see them today.

The idea that dinosaurs are only discovered by people intentionally searching for them isn't strictly true. Miners recently discovered a mummified nodosaur: This Is the Best Dinosaur Fossil of Its Kind Ever Found If this thing is 110 million years old, how the hell did its SKIN stay preserved? And there is this one, or part of one, discovered accidentally during the testing of a Mars Rover. Dinosaur fossils accidentally discovered in Canada: Top things to know Hmmm...... Anyway, it seems to be rare for people to find dinosaur bones in the course of, say, digging a foundation for a new building. You'd think this would happen all the time.

Equally rare are complete, or nearly complete, skeletons of dinosaurs. This is their idea of a complete hadrosaur skeleton: Japan's largest complete dinosaur skeleton discovered

And of course, there is Sue, the famous T-Rex: SUE the T. rex

How real these are is anyone's guess. Most dinos seem to be cobbled together from a few bits of bone. How can they have found hundreds of species? How do they know that some of the species aren't simply juvenile versions of other species, or male-female dimorphism? There are lots of questions about this subject I'd love to see answered. I've known for years that the museum displays are all fake, but just assumed they were based off actual discoveries.
 

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I have spent some time looking at this topic. I came to the conclusion that every single individual case I looked at was a hoax or at best suspicious. Maybe if I keep looking I will find a legit "for me" true find. I was surprised to find what passed for science. Interesting also the polarization between science and religion, which reminds me of the shape of the earth.
To be a dinosaur skeptic lumps me automatically with Bible literalists and most information found on this topic are science and religion making fun of each other. This of course muddies up the available information.
 

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That's why I gave up on atheist websites. Some of them are as rude and doctrinally devoted as the Christians they criticize. Plus, I got sick of the same old arguments on both sides. Unfortunately, those two sides are just about the only ones you'll find if you want to know about dinosaurs. :/
 

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Darwin was largely ridiculed and summarily dismissed prompting him to come out with a statement saying, "I have been greatly misunderstood".

Check out his family connections. His agnostic nephew, inventor of the term "eugenics" and agnostic Huxley (Darwin's "bulldog") are responsible for promoting Darwin's idea of evolution. Huxley is also the one who came up with the notion that birds evolved from dinosaurs.

Darwin's work wasn't even original. He had a paper sent to him by a guy named Wallace (someone who actually finished their schooling) and he hurried to publish the radical theory of natural selection before Wallace could.

The notion that bones (of dinosaurs) could last MILLIONS of years exposed to the rigors of the elements is ludicrous. Eventually everything (even bones) break down into their composite elements.

The Darwin enthusiasts, in their rush to vindicate their messiah, have been caught in several hoaxes. That ridiculous graph showing a progression from ape to upright man has been thoroughly debunked ages ago yet still remains as gospel truth in school textbooks.

Don't get me wrong; Darwin had some good ideas and I like his work on soil amendments using worm castings but even he began to back peddle regarding his theory on evolution, recommending it be discarded if no evidence could be found. Natural selection as Darwin explained it (and not as it's commonly assumed to be) has some genuine merit but this is not Digimon, people.
 
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The whole feathered fiasco seems to be a little too perfect for me; the claims seem to grow arms and legs gaining more stupidity as we "move forward" in some sort of Hegelian attack on our history. I'm just waiting for them to find an ancient Dinosaur language next, kids will be running about the playgrounds speaking in Dinosaurian and eating raw meat for breakfast.

The mockery of man continues, I for one think that Dinosaurs are simply for children.

@sonoman - whale bones are definitely along the right lines, imagine all of the extinct large animals we are yet to even know anything about! A concoction of bones, stuck together like some sort of Mary Shelley manifestation!

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I dont know.. but I do know that more people believe they existed than not and that alone makes them real. (egregoricaly)

not only that but also the biblical accounts (completely forgot about that) so if one were to take a negative stance on this in a court of law for some far out reason, it wouldnt end well for them. you cant prove a negative (and often its a trap/set-up)

but lets discuss motives here.. say this is all a fraud to confuse or whatever, why? only thing that comes to my mind is to cover up fairy tale/lore/law about the Dragons? more specifically, the Dragon Families? maybe they are shape-shifters? and perhaps that shift is not from one physique to another but in and out of physicality they shift? (Scythians)

and whats up with this:
Neuroscientist Paul MacLean conceived the 'Triune Brain' model in which three major brain structures are thought to be in control of three major aspects of human thought and behavior. One of these brain structures is referred to as the 'Pre-reptilian' or primal brain, as it is in charge of our basic, primal drives, such as self-preservation, preservation of family, and reproduction.
Our Three Brains - The Reptilian Brain

what other motivations might there be for all this?


"History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man..."
 

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"What is real?"

Egregore - Wikipedia

corporations aint real either but they do exist. by what motive though?

many moons ago a group of my peers were doing LSD and one of them was freaking out, pointing to the sky and telling us he was seeing a huge dragon flying above us. never forget that, (or do LSD) he was seriously having a panic attack about it!
 
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I dont know.. but I do know that more people believe they existed than not and that alone makes them real. (egregoricaly)

not only that but also the biblical accounts (completely forgot about that) so if one were to take a negative stance on this in a court of law for some far out reason, it wouldnt end well for them. you cant prove a negative (and often its a trap/set-up)

but lets discuss motives here.. say this is all a fraud to confuse or whatever, why? only thing that comes to my mind is to cover up fairy tale/lore/law about the Dragons? more specifically, the Dragon Families? maybe they are shape-shifters? and perhaps that shift is not from one physique to another but in and out of physicality they shift? (Scythians)

and whats up with this:

Our Three Brains - The Reptilian Brain

what other motivations might there be for all this?


"History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man..."
I think the motive would be to support the claims of evolution. Dinosauria, especially in the terms of flying reptiles seems to be the missing link in the so called theory of evolution. Again, motive seems pretty straight forward, detach us as much as possible from reality, make us believe we are here by pure chance thus causing individuals to believe that they will be no ramifications for their actions.

Aimlessly going about their everyday lives, living a false existence supported by hypothetical claims. Disempowerment of the human race.

Why do you think the world is so f***ed up, everyone believes that their actions are meaningless, that whatever they do here in their experience doesn’t matter, that they are here by pure chance! They are detaching us from our origins, destroying world history along the way to make room for their theories and to propagate the folly of man.

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You did this better than my own fossil thread! Thank you! Ancient Fossils are Made Up or More Recent?
Sorry i didn't see your thread.

Great starter to introduce the main course!

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Reference
-Robbin Koefoed, “The Dinosaurs Never Existed”
-David Wozney, “Dinosaurs: Science or Science Fiction”
-Eric Dubay, “The Atlantean Conspiracy”

I would like to take you through some reference material around Dinosauria as a whole. We have been lead down a one way street with theories and claims to propagate the nihilistic evolutionary narrative. Think of it as the missing link the animal kingdom needed to bridge the gap between man and beast. I am sure huge animals/cryptids have inhabbited these plains before, but to come to conclusions on animals from 250 million years ago, from their skin to their mannerisms is outlandish to say the very least!

Non-bird dinosaurs lived between about 245 and 66 million years ago, in a time known as the Mesozoic Era. This was many millions of years before the first modern humans, Homo sapiens, appeared. Scientists divide the Mesozoic Era into three periods:
  • The Triassic
  • Jurassic
  • Cretaceous
With the overall goal to hide the existance of intelligent design a quick preface on evolution as a whole, Darwin and his lavish claims with no physical objective proofs hold no weight in real natural science. Remember even if the argument is “its happened over millions of years” for one animal to completely change its genus, we would have to have one animal giving birth to a totally different animal at some point in them "millions of years".

We can have hundreds of breeds of Dogs and Cats due to micro evolution, but the idea of one totally changing to another belongs in the the categories of fairytales.

Darwin hoped that transitional forms of animal species gradually evolving into different species would eventually be discovered at some future time in the fossil record (Will be waiting a while). To this day, however, no such transitional forms have ever been found anywhere in the world. Darwin’s observations regarding natural selection and adaptation were certainly correct. So-called “micro-evolution” of various traits and characteristics within a species has been confirmed and widely exists, but “macro-evolution,” the supposed transformation from one species into a completely different species has never been observed, and no evidence of such evolution exists anywhere in the fossil record.

Colin Patterson, senior paleontologist for the British Museum of Natural History and an ardent evolutionist, even he admits that Darwinists must concede natural selection has never been observed to actually cause anything to evolve:

“No one has ever produced a species by mechanisms of natural selection. No one has ever got near it and most of the current argument in neo-Darwinism is about this question.”

Jurassic Park ... (cue dramatic music)

The class “Dinosauria” was originally defined by “Sir” Richard Owen of the Royal Society, and Superintendent of the British Museum Natural History Department in 1842. In other words, the existence of dinosaurs was first speculatively hypothesised by a knighted museum-head “coincidentally” in the mid-19th century, during the heyday of evolutionism, before a single dinosaur fossil had ever been found. The Masonic media and mainstream press worldwide got to work hyping stories of these supposed long-lost animals, and then lo and behold, 12 years later in 1854, Ferdinand Vandiveer Hayden during his exploration of the upper Missouri River, found “proof” of Owen’s theory! A few unidentified teeth he mailed to leading palaeontologist Joseph Leidy, who several years later declared them to be from an ancient extinct “Trachodon,” dinosaur (which beyond ironically means “rough tooth”).


Sir Richard Owen (above) - Richard Owen


Ferdinand Vandeveer Hayden (above) - Ferdinand Vandeveer Hayden

Firstly, it should be needless to say that it is impossible to reconstruct an entire hypothetical ancient animal based on a few teeth! But even more importantly, it is dubious that a myriad of ancient reptile/bird and reptile/mammal transitional forms necessary for the blossoming theory of evolution, would be hypothesised and then conveniently “discovered” by teams of evolutionist archeologists purposely out looking to find such fossils! And it is even more dubious that such fossils have supposedly existed for millions of years but were never found by or known to any civilisation in the history of humanity until evolutionism’s Masonic renaissance in the mid-19th century!

“Why are there no discoveries by native Americans in all the years previous when they roamed the American continents? There is no belief of dinosaurs in the Native American religion or tradition. For that matter, why were there no discoveries prior to the nineteenth century in any part of the world? According to the World Book Encyclopedia, ‘before the 1800’s no one ever knew that dinosaurs existed.’ During the late 1800’s and early 1900’s, large deposits of dinosaur remains were discovered …Why has man suddenly made all these discoveries?”
-David Wozney, “Dinosaurs: Science or Science Fiction”


No tribes, cultures or countries in the world ever discovered a dinosaur bone before the mid-1800s, and then they were suddenly found all over the world in North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Argentina, Belgium, Mongolia, Tanzania, West Germany and many other places apparently had large deposits of dinosaur fossils never before seen. All these places were inhabited and well-explored for thousands of years before this time, why had no one ever found a dinosaur fossil before?

According to the book, “The Dinosaur Project,” paleontological journalist Wayne Grady claims the period following this, from around 1870 to 1880 became “a period in North America where some of the most underhanded shenanigans in the history of science were conducted.” In what was known as “The Great Dinosaur Rush” or “Bone Wars,” Edward Drinker Cope of the Academy of Natural Sciences and Othniel Marsh of the Peabody Museum of Natural History, began a life-long rivalry and passion for “dinosaur hunting.” They started out as friends but became bitter enemies during a legendary feud involving double-crossing, slander, bribery, theft, spying, and destruction of bones by both parties. Marsh is said to have discovered over 500 different ancient species including 80 dinosaurs, while Cope discovered 56. Out of the 136 dinosaur species supposedly discovered by the two men, however, only 32 are presently considered valid; the rest have all proven to be falsifications and fabrications! None of them once claimed to find a complete skeleton either, so all their work involved reconstructions. In fact, to this day no complete skeleton has ever been found, and so all dinosaurs are reconstructions.

“Discoveries and excavations seem not to be made by disinterested people, such as farmers, ranchers, hikers, outdoor recreationists, building construction industry basement excavators, pipeline trench diggers, and mining industry personnel but rather by people with vested interests, such as paleontologists, scientists, university professors, and museum organization personnel who were intentionally looking for dinosaur bones or who have studied dinosaurs previously. The finds are often made during special dinosaur-bone hunting trips and expeditions by these people to far-away regions already inhabited and explored. This seems highly implausible. More believable is the case of the discovery of the first original Dead Sea scrolls in 1947, which were unintentionally discovered by a child, and which were all published by 1955. In some cases of a discovery of dinosaur bones by a disinterested person, it was suggested to them by some ‘professional’ in the field to look or dig in a certain area. Also very interesting to note are special areas set aside and designated as dinosaur parks for which amateur dinosaur hunters are required to first obtain a dinosaur hunting license.”
-David Wozney, “Dinosaurs: Science or Science Fiction”


Whatever destination these establishment-funded archeologists and paleontologists set, it seemed they found incredible numbers of fossils in tiny areas. In one of the largest dinosaur excavation sites, called the Ruth Mason Quarry, over 2,000 fossils were allegedly discovered. Casts and original skeletons assembled from these bones are currently on display in over 60 museums world-wide. Florentino Ameghino, head of paleontology at La Plata Museum is amazingly responsible for 6,000 fossil species supposedly discovered throughout his career all in Argentina. Dinosaur hunter Earl Douglass sent 350 tons of excavated “dinosaur” bones to the Carnegie Museum of Natural History throughout his career, all coming from the “Dinosaur National Monument” in Utah. During an expedition to Patagonia, Dr. Luis Chiappe and Dr. Lowell Dingus supposedly discovered thousands of dinosaur eggs at a site of only a few hundred square yards. Many experts have mentioned how such finds of huge quantities of fossils in one area, by just a few highly-invested individuals, goes against the laws of natural probability and lends credence to the likelihood of forgeries or concentrated planting efforts.

“‘Dinosaur’ bones sell for a lot of money at auctions. It is a profitable business. There is pressure for academics to publish papers. Museums are in the business of producing displays that are popular and appealing. Movie producers and the media need to produce material to sell to stay in business. The mainstream media loves to hype alleged dinosaurs finds. Much is to be gained by converting a bland non-dinosaur discovery, of a bone of modern origin, into an impressive dinosaur find, and letting artists' interpretations and imaginations take the spotlight, rather than the basic boring real find. There are people who desire and crave prestige, fame and attention. There is the bandwagon effect and crowd behaviour. And then there are people and entities pursuing political and religious agendas. Highly rewarding financial and economic benefits to museums, educational and research organizations, university departments of paleontology, discoverers and owners of dinosaur bones, and the book, television, movie, and media industries may cause sufficient motivations for ridiculing of open questioning and for suppression of honest investigation.”
-David Wozney, “Dinosaurs: Science or Science Fiction”.


The fact that “T-Rex” bones have sold at auctions for upwards of $12 million shows how lucrative the field of dinosaur-hunting can be, and it just happens to be Museum officials who serendipitously seem to make the most prolific finds! The first dinosaur to ever be publicly displayed was the “Hadrosaurus foulkii,” at Edward Drinker Cope’s Academy of Natural Sciences in Philidelphia. The bones were co-discovered by Joseph Leidy, Cope’s esteemed professor, and the man responsible for the “Trachodon” toothosaurus. The original Hadrosaurus reconstruction, which is still on display today, shows a huge plaster cast bipedal reptile standing upright using its tail as a third-leg. What few people know, however, is that no skull was ever discovered and no original bones were put in the public exhibit.

“A visual and a sculptural artist were promptly hired to invent a skull, and from the illustrations of another artist, who had depicted the Iguanadon, the two artists drew the same face for the Hadrosaurus foulkii. The people involved could now technically defend the existence of this dinosaur, if someone were to ask. The stunt worked out so well, and fooled the public so thoroughly, that they could later change the head of the creature without anyone noticing. To this day, Hadrosaurus foulkii is on display at the Academy of Natural Sciences in Philadelphia. The bones are said to be kept behind heavy, closed doors, but a plaster copy is exhibited in their place … So we learn of an iguana skull being substituted for the skull of a dinosaur on display. Was the public told at the time? What are we not being told today?”
-David Wozney, “Dinosaurs: Science or Science Fiction”

What we are not being told is that this is the rule and the not the exception. To this day not a single complete skeleton of any dinosaur has ever been found! All the museum displays, models, mannequins, cartoons, and movies of prehistoric monsters you have ever seen are all imaginative reconstructions based on incomplete skeletons arranged in a manner paleontologists believe to be most realistic. Furthermore, the skeletons exhibited in museums are all admittedly intricate fabrications made of plaster, fiberglass, various epoxies, and other animal bones, not original fossils.


When “dinosaur” bones are transported and prepared they use strips of burlap soaked in plaster to jacket over the fossils. Then after applying a tissue separator to keep the plaster from direct contact with the bone, the soaked burlap strips are laid on until it is totally encased in a protective mummy-like coating ready for safe transport. In an article titled “A Fossil’s Trail From Excavation to Exhibit” one insider remarked that, “Through moldmaking and casting we can totally fabricate limbs, ribs, vertebrae, etc., for the missing pieces of an articulated skeletal mount. Plaster, fiberglass and epoxies are often and commonly used. In reconstruction work on single bones, small to large cracks can be filled in with mache or plaster mixed with dextrin, a starch that imparts an adhesive quality and extra hardness to regular molding plaster. We’ve also had success using epoxy putties. Large missing fragments can be sculpted directly in place with these same materials.”

In other words, Museum personnel work with plaster and other materials to transport and fabricate skeletons and missing or incomplete bones all the time. In fact, the huge “dinosaur bone” displays found in museums across the world are admittedly carefully prepared fakes! No independent researcher has ever examined a real dinosaur skull! They claim all the actual fossils are kept in high-security storage, but only a select few paleontologists are ever allowed to examine them, so the ability to ascertain their authenticity is kept from the general public.


Most people believe that dinosaur skeletons displayed in museums consist of real dinosaur bones. This is not the case. The real bones are incarcerated in thick vaults to which only a select few highly placed researchers hold a key, which means that NO independent researcher has ever handled a tyrannosaurus rex bone. When people unaffiliated with the paleontological establishment attempt to gain access in order to study these dinosaur bones, they are met with refusal upon refusal … Only around 2100 dinosaur bones sets have been discovered worldwide, and out of these, only 15 incomplete Tyrannosaurus Rex bone sets have been found. These dinosaur bone sets have never formed a complete skeleton, but from these incomplete bones sets, paleontologists have constructed a hypothesis about the appearance of the whole skeleton, which they have modeled in plastic. If thousands of longnecks and large carnivorous reptiles had really roamed Earth, we wouldn’t only have found 2100 dinosaur bone sets, but millions of bones, with ordinary people tripping over them when digging in their vegetable patches.”
-Robbin Koefoed, “The Dinosaurs Never Existed”


“When children go to a dinosaur museum, are the displays they see displays of science or displays of art and science fiction? Are we being deceived and brainwashed at an early age into believing a dinosaur myth? Deep probing questions need to be asked of the entire dinosaur business. There may have been an ongoing effort since the earliest dinosaur ‘discoveries’ to plant, mix and match bones of various animals, such as crocodiles, alligators, iguanas, giraffes, elephants, cattle, kangaroos, ostriches, emus, dolphins, whales, rhinoceroses, etc. to construct and create a new man-made concept prehistoric animal called the dinosaur. Where bones from existing animals are not satisfactory for deception purposes, plaster substitutes may be manufactured and used. Some material similar or superior to plasticine clay or plaster of Paris would be suitable. Molds may also be employed. What would be the motivation for such a deceptive endeavor? Obvious motivations include trying to prove evolution, trying to disprove or cast doubt on the Christian Bible and the existence of the Christian God, and trying to disprove the ‘young-earth theory.’ The dinosaur concept implies that if God exists, He tinkered with His idea of dinosaurs for awhile, then probably discarded or became tired of this creation and then went on to create man. The presented dinosaur historical timeline suggests an imperfect God who came up with the idea of man as an afterthought, thus demoting the biblical idea that God created man in His own image.”
-David Wozney, “Dinosaurs: Science or Science Fiction”


Type “Dinosaur Skulls” into a search engine and you will find a variety of replicas, tailor made dinosaurs, and “museum-quality” skeletons. One of the largest and most-renowned suppliers of fake dinosaurs is the Zigong Dino Ocean Art Company in Sichuan, China which provides natural history museums worldwide with ultra-realistic dinosaur skeletons made from real bones! Chicken, frog, dog, cat, horse and pig’s bones are melted down, mixed with glue, resin and plaster, then used as base material for re-casting as “dinosaur bones.” They are even given intentional fractures and an antiquated/fossilized look to achieve the right effect. Their website boasts, “Over 62% of our output goes to American and European markets, which means we will understand and are familiar with the intricacies and regulation of exporting to these regions … Since we are a partner of Dinosaur Museums, all products are made under the guidance of experts of the Chinese Academy of Sciences … We have gained a global sales network reaching the USA, Brazil, France, Poland, Russia, Germany, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Thailand, Indonesia, exhibited in Peru, Argentina, Vancouver, Cincinnati, Chicago and other places.


“I have heard there is a fake-fossil factory in northeast China, in Liaoning Province, near the deposits where many of these recent alleged feather dinosaurs were found.”
-Alan Feduccia, University of North Carolina Paleontology Professor

On November 21, 2002, the journal Nature published an article named "Archaeoraptor's Better Half: The Other Component of the Infamous Fossil Forgery is Identified as a Fish-Eating Bird." (VOl 420, 2002) After careful measurements and morphological study, scientists concluded that the Archaeoraptor fossil that was once proclaimed as a key intermediate between carnivorous dinosaurs and birds is now known to be a forgery. It is a chimera formed of bird and dromaeosaur parts.

Fake Fossil Factory

“The possibility exists that key dinosaur bones on display have been artificially modified through sculpture and carving. Bone sculpture is not an unknown human activity. Many cultures participate in creating man-made objects out of existing bones, totally unrecognizable from the original shape. Is the dinosaur industry a customer of this sort of business? Is it possible that dinosaur skeleton replica are secretly assembled or manufactured in private buildings out of public view, with bones artificially constructed or used from a number of different modern-day animals? Why bother having any authentic original fossils at all if alleged replicas please the public?”
-David Wozney, “Dinosaurs: Science or Science Fiction”


Another problem with dinosaurs is their unnatural structural dynamics. Many dinosaur skeletons and reconstructions feature bipedal monsters like the T-Rex with a forward-leaning torso and head far larger and heavier than its counter-balancing tail. Many museum displays cannot even stand up under their own weight; it is highly unlikely that beasts this large and disproportionate could exist at all. The loads acting on their skeletons are so great that calculations indicate t ophe bones of the largest dinosaurs would buckle and crack under their own immense weight! Experts have also pointed out that dinosaurs would have to have moved much slower than portrayed in movies to prevent sudden shocks to their skeletons.


“This idea of slow moving animals does not agree with the bio-mechanical analysis of dinosaurs, which indicate that the Dinosaurs were agile, active creatures. This is the paradox between the Dinosaurs size and lifestyle. Many displays and drawings of dinosaurs appear to be an absurdity, showing a two-legged animal that would be totally off-balance, with the weight of head and abdomen much greater than weight of tail, which is supposed to act as a counter-balance. Is the dinosaur industry a case of science trying to meet public desires or expectations? The movie Jurassic Park is an example of showing dinosaurs much larger than any current displays in museums. After the movie came out, it is interesting to note that many articles were written asking ‘Is this possible?’ I can recall a report of dinosaur DNA being discovered preserved in amber, which later turned out to be false.”
-David Wozney, “Dinosaurs: Science or Science Fiction”


“Overall, several millions of dollars have been spent promoting the existence of dinosaurs through movies, TV, magazines and comics. The world of movies and paleontology are like Siamese twins. People’s view on the existence of dinosaurs is based not on firm evidence, but on Hollywood fixated artistic impressions. Documentaries colorfully illustrate each dinosaur’s characteristics, like colors, weight and muscle mass, but Don Lessem (advisor for Jurassic Park) admits that this is pure guesswork - consider for instance the question of how much these dinosaurs weigh. Don Lessem says, ‘Scientists don’t know how much dinosaurs weighed!’” -Robbin Koefoed, “The Dinosaurs Never Existed”


Dinosaurs are presented to the public with colorful artistic reconstructions, drawings, models, mannequins, gigantic skeletons in museums, cartoons and movies showing these beasts in explicit detail, but the fact is from the assigning and arrangement of bones in each species, to the impossible to discern soft tissue, skin, eyes, noses, color, hairyness, texture etc., just like the many supposed Ape-Man species, all dinosaur reconstructions are 100% fictional fabrications created by invested and inventive evolutionists. They purposely present dinosaurs to children in the media to spark and bias their young imaginations towards their machinations. Cartoons like “Ice Age” and “The Land Before Time” movies like “Jurassic Park” and “Dinosaur Island” coloring books, dolls, plastic toys, elementary school textbooks, and huge displays in children’s museums certainly have an effect on budding young minds.

National Geographic and the Ice Age movies were produced by Mason Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp. and 20th Century Fox. The Masonic production company Universal Studios created Jurassic Park and The Land Before Time. They are owned by Comcast, whose main shareholders are Masons JP Morgan and the Rothschilds. Discovery Channel which features many dinosaur documentaries is also financially advised by N M Rothschild and Sons Limited.

Former Paleontology student Michael Forsell claimed on a radio interview with leading paleontologist Jack Horner, that he was “a total fraud, fabricating evidence and perpetuating the myth of dinosaurs.” He continued on saying,

“I started my career in the field of paleontology, only to leave my studies once I realized the whole thing was a sham. It’s nonsense, most of the so-called skeletons in museums are actually plaster casts. They even do it openly on documentaries now, preserving the bones my ass! I struggled as a student, mainly because I could not tell the difference between a fossilized egg and an ordinary rock, and of course there is no difference. I was treated like a leper when I refused to buy into their propaganda, and promptly left the course. Dinosaurs never existed, the whole shebang is a freak show, they just grab a couple of old bones and form them into their latest Frankenstein’s monster-like exhibit. We are all being fooled and it’s wrong, but together we can stop it.”


Many claim that since dinosaur fossils have been radiometrically dated to be tens of millions of years old that their authenticity is thus proven. The fact is, however, that the methods used to date dinosaur fossils involve not measuring the actual fossils, but the rocks near where they are found. Most fossils are found near the surface of the earth, and if a modern-day animal were to die in the area, paleontologists would be likely to date them the same age! Dr. Margaret Helder in her book “Completing the Picture, A Handbook on Museums and Interpretive Centers Dealing with Fossils,” she writes, “Scientists used to be very impressed with the potential of radiometric for coming up with absolutely reliable ages of some kinds of rocks. They do not feel that way anymore. Having had to deal with numerous calculated dates which are too young or too old compared with what they expected, scientists now admit that the process has many more uncertainties than they ever would have supposed in the early years. The public knows almost nothing about uncertainties in the dating of rocks. The impression that most people have received is that many rocks on earth are extremely old and that the technology exists to make accurate measurements of the ages. Scientists have become more and more aware however that the measurements which the machines make, may tell us nothing about the actual age of the rock.”

One of the main reasons that evolutionists “needed” the existence of dinosaurs was to answer the complicated problems present in the theory of evolution including: sea-dwelling animals evolving into land-dwellers; reptiles evolving wings, feathers, flying and becoming birds; as well as other reptiles evolving warm-blood, live births, breasts and becoming mammals. Through their imaginary multi-million-year timeline and a variety of supposed transitional dinosaur forms, the paleontological establishment has been promoting various sea-dinosaur, reptile/birds and reptile/mammals to bridge these gaps. Many professionals and experts in the field have disputed such findings as often as they have been presented, however. Dr. Storrs Olson, a Smithsonian Institute Scientist, wrote, “The idea of feathered dinosaurs and the theropod origin of birds is being actively promulgated by a cadre of zealous scientists acting in concert with certain editors at Nature and National Geographic who themselves have become outspoken and highly biased proselytizers of the faith. Truth and careful scientific weighing of evidence have been among the first casualties in their program, which is now fast becoming one of the grander scientific hoaxes or our age.”


No authentic feathers have ever been found with dinosaur fossils, though a few exposed hoaxes certainly attempted to fake it. Dr. Olson called the adding of feathers to their findings “hype, wishful thinking, propaganda, nonsense fantasia, and a hoax.” In the 1990s many fossils with feathers were supposedly discovered in China (suspiciously close to the Zigong Dino Ocean Art Company), but when examined Dr. Timothy Rowe found the so-called “Confuciusornis” was an elaborate hoax. He also found the “Archeoraptor” supposedly discovered in the 90s was composed of bones from 5 different animals! When Dr. Rowe presented his findings to National Geographic the head scientist reportedly remarked “well all of these have been fiddled with!” National Geographic then proceeded with their news conferences and media stories about the Archeoraptor fossils being genuine and having found the missing link in evolution.

“In 1999, National Geographic magazine was busted when they presented, in a colorful and fancily presented article, the missing link. An Archeoraptor dinosaur, which was supposed to support the basic tenet of evolutionary theory, that dinosaurs had slowly developed over millions of years. Their proof consisted of a fossil, where carefully arranged bone imprints gave the impression of a creature half dinosaur and half bird. The scam was discovered during a CT scan which uncovered unnatural bone links. National Geographic magazine was later forced to admit, when pressured, that the fossil was man-made!”
-Robbin Koefoed, “The Dinosaurs Never Existed”


Paleontologists claim that “Archaeopteryx” is another transitional form of bird evolved from dinosaurs, but this theory falls on its face against overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Other species like Confuciusornis, Liaoningornis, and Eoalulavis have all been found to be contemporary with the Archaeopteryx and are indistinguishable from present-day birds. Alan Feduccia from University of North Carolina, one of the most famous ornithologists in the world stated, “I’ve studied bird skulls for 25 years and I don’t see any similarities whatsoever. I just don’t see it. The theropod origins of birds, in my opinion, will be the greatest embarrassment of paleontology of the 20th century.” Larry Martin from the University of Kansas, a paleo-ornithologist says, “to tell you the truth, if I had to support the dinosaur origin of birds with those characters, I’d be embarrassed every time I had to get up and talk about it.”

Even if dinosaurs did evolve into birds to fill their evolution gap, it does not explain how something like the common housefly could have evolved. Flies flap their wings simultaneously 500 times per second, even the slightest dissonance in vibration would cause them to lose balance and fall, but this never happens.
  • How could they “evolve” such an amazing and specialized ability?
  • Why were dinosaurs never discovered before the evolutionist renaissance in the mid-19th century?
  • Why do paleontologists think they can reconstruct an entire species of ancient animal from a few teeth?
  • Why have so many dinosaur “discoveries” turned out to be hoaxes?
  • Why are all “authentic dinosaur fossils” kept under tight lock and key away from any independent analysis?
  • Why has erosion and weathering not destroyed all these supposed prints and fossils that are allegedly millions of years old?
  • If dinosaurs were supposedly wiped out by a meteor impact or other such global catastrophe, why is it that all the other various animal species that exist today were not similarly wiped out?
There are many more questions which need to be answered before anyone in their right-mind should consider the existence of dinosaurs anything but a convenient evolutionist myth.

“The paleontological establishment can control which hypotheses will be constructed through textbooks and the curriculum. In this way, students are brainwashed into a pseudo-reality controlled by the text material and the teacher’s authority. A short practical example; a random dental bone is found at an excavation site and from this dental bone, the rest of the skeleton is guessed at. We are not kidding about this. The entire dinosaurian field of the paleontological program is a sham.”
-Robbin Koefoed, “The Dinosaurs Never Existed”

To conclude, we have numerous discrepancies in the whole story of "Dinosauria". For me it seems it was simply a missing piece of the puzzle, brought to fruition from master masons to confuse the masses. I for one have always pondered how carbon dating can be so accurate. As I know now, it’s not.

The word "Giants" seems to resonate with me when it comes to large bones being found, would love some input from you guys.

TH
Excellent post. And right out at the end you set it all out... Giants!! Touche
 

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Did you ever notice how, these days, every dinosaur discovery is a new species? It's not a species they already know, it's not a juvenile version of an adult species, or sexual dimorphism (which can be very striking in some species of birds and lizards), it's always something totally new that they can add to the tree of life. I've noticed this for some time, and found it disturbing. There is great competition among paleontologists to have something named after themselves. If one of them can earn the privilege of having a dinosaur named after them, they're practically a god! So naturally, if they dig up some bones (always knowing exactly where to look, of course), they'll push to have it declared a new species. Never mind that it's only six bones and fragment of skull, or maybe part of a foot with one claw, somehow they can determine that this is not only a dinosaur, but a NEW dinosaur that's never been found before.

At this point, they have the entire dinosauria family tree all figured out, even lacking the DNA that would make this necessary. Just look at this crap:
dinosaur: family tree I don't think any humans know their family history that well!

I Googled, "How many dinosaur species are there?" and found this: We Discover a New Dinosaur Species Every Week A new species every WEEK?? You've GOT to be smegging kidding me. For centuries of human existence, not a single dinosaur was discovered (or they were, but it was never recorded, or the records were burned), now all of a sudden there's a new species every damn week. According to this gub'mint page, there are 700 known species, but only about half those are based on "fairly complete specimens" that can be proven to be unique species. I'd say that number is a wee bit high. How Many Types of Dinosaurs Are Known? Where are these "fairly complete specimens," anyway? Locked away in a basement somewhere, no doubt, so that nobody can examine them closely. But hey, we have a bunch of fiberglass replicas in the museums, that's close enough, right?
 
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Did you ever notice how, these days, every dinosaur discovery is a new species? It's not a species they already know, it's not a juvenile version of an adult species, or sexual dimorphism (which can be very striking in some species of birds and lizards), it's always something totally new that they can add to the tree of life. I've noticed this for some time, and found it disturbing. There is great competition among paleontologists to have something named after themselves. If one of them can earn the privilege of having a dinosaur named after them, they're practically a god! So naturally, if they dig up some bones (always knowing exactly where to look, of course), they'll push to have it declared a new species. Never mind that it's only six bones and fragment of skull, or maybe part of a foot with one claw, somehow they can determine that this is not only a dinosaur, but a NEW dinosaur that's never been found before.

At this point, they have the entire dinosauria family tree all figured out, even lacking the DNA that would make this necessary. Just look at this crap:
dinosaur: family tree I don't think any humans know their family history that well!

I Googled, "How many dinosaur species are there?" and found this: We Discover a New Dinosaur Species Every Week A new species every WEEK?? You've GOT to be smegging kidding me. For centuries of human existence, not a single dinosaur was discovered (or they were, but it was never recorded, or the records were burned), now all of a sudden there's a new species every damn week. According to this gub'mint page, there are 700 known species, but only about half those are based on "fairly complete specimens" that can be proven to be unique species. I'd say that number is a wee bit high. How Many Types of Dinosaurs Are Known? Where are these "fairly complete specimens," anyway? Locked away in a basement somewhere, no doubt, so that nobody can examine them closely. But hey, we have a bunch of fiberglass replicas in the museums, that's close enough, right?
Very well said, I didn't know that new dinosaurs are found every week, these claims are becoming more and more falacious, literally by the week!

What a load of drivel. Pig headed, egotistical, halfwits with about as much common sense as a class of 5 year olds with a supply teacher.

That is indeed a very well though out dinosaur family history, I have tried to trace my family tree back a few times and become stumped around 200 years ago; I can't comprehend the "science" involved to create these 165 million year timelines. I'll wait for the Fomenko edition - satire of course ...

In the reality of things, we have paleontologists claiming they are discovering things from hundreds of millions of years ago, yet man didn't make a single dinosaur bone discovery until the mid 19th century. Something tells me that after the last reset they had something to hide.

I will let you put your logic to good use and come to a conclusion on the above.

These dates are starting to add up more and more with every thread thanks to the brilliant input from the SH community. I have learned a lot about our "falachistory", thanks.

New word!

TH
 
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It just gets better and better.

Why Today is the Golden Age for Dinosaur Discoveries
Illinois-born Stephen Brusatte is one of the stars of modern paleontology. A former National Geographic grantee, he has discovered 10 new dinosaur species.
So, almost no dinosaur fossils are discovered accidentally while digging holes for the foundations of shopping centers, housing developments, seaside resorts, casinos, or WalMart stores, but this guy just happened to be in the right location at the right time to find, not merely ten new fossils, but ten new species?? Make this guy a saint, because he's performing miracles!
 
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