Did Napoleon build the Great Egyptian Pyramids?

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You know I do not believe in actual chronology from astronomical and mathematical reasons but, even if an international medieval mafia falsified or made arab manuscripts, in the pyramid effect there is too much knowledge even for today scientists not only for Napoleon scientists! We cannot comprehend because official math has no tools for that!

For example you were told in school that any number raised to the power of zero is equal to one. If you remember, the real numbers are included in complex numbers, so I can write zero in two ways: 0=0+0i and 0=0-0i, where "i" is the square root of minus one. Is 0+0i describing the same physical reality like 0-0i? What if there are numbers which raised to 0-0i power equals minus one? This is the isodual unit of Rugerro Maria Santilli who discover a lot of new numbers and the official science says that it is not big deal! The chinese matematician Jiang Chun-Xuan who wrote "Foundations of the isonumber theory of Santilli" was repelled and his work called pseudoscience!

I think we are doomed! You cannot fight with all pornography, moovies and sports and tell peoples that their math it is not enough! If tomorrow a bright white ball will pass through your room walls you will have no way of telling if it is a robot, an animal or an intelligent beeing, even if James Trevor Constable filmed all of them in infrared more than half a century ago! And I have made you a favor: I wrote "bright white" instead of "invisible"!
 

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The Chronicon Pictum (Latin for illustrated chronicle, English: Illuminated Chronicle or Vienna Illuminated Chronicle, Hungarian: Képes Krónika also referred to as Chronica Hungarorum, Chronicon (Hungariae) Pictum, Chronica Picta or Chronica de Gestis Hungarorum) is a medieval illustrated chronicle from the Kingdom of Hungary from the second half of fourteenth century. It represents the international artistic style of the royal courts in the court of Louis I of Hungary.
Its full name is: Chronicon pictum, Marci de Kalt, Chronica de gestis Hungarorum, that is Illustrated Chronicle, Mark of Kalt's Chronicle About the Deeds of the Hungarians.
The chronicle was written by Márk Kálti (lat. Marci de Kalt) shortly after the year 1358, with the last of the illuminations (some remained unfinished) between 1370 and 1373
The chronicle was written for the young Hungarian king Louis I. to learn about the deeds of his ancestors and the history of his country.
PIRAMIDS in the CHRONICON PICTUM
Some say that there are 3 coronation pictures of Hungarian kings, where the painter found it very important to paint PIRAMIDS in the he background, but in the other pictures you can see only cliffs!
Here are the pictures:
Coronation of III. István

Coronation of King II. László

Coronation of Imre (on the piramids the Tree of Life)

(Battle at Ménfő, or the coronation of Géza , no piramids only cliffs)


SOME OTHER CLUES:
Magashegy, Rám-hegy and Árpádvár are 3 peaks in the Pilis Mountains.
In the Pilis was the assumed ancient sacred and kings coronation centre of Hungary.
Aradi Lajos _researcher of the secrets of Pilis_ found, that the topography and form of these 3 mountains are very similar to the Orion Belt, like the Giza Piramids.
In the hungarian folklore Orion is Nimrod, and the forefather of the people.
The root PIR in hungarian means something that is connected to FIRE.

KepesKronika full.jpgGéza.jpg3. István.jpgIMRE.jpg
2. László.jpga ménfői csata.jpgpilis.jpggiza.jpg
 
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We can draw lines through the Great Pyramids, and calculate square roots of whatever all day long. Just as well we can quote 11th century sources.

Where is the Greatness of the Pyramids in the history of mankind prior to Napoleon?
 

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For example in the discovery of "Davison's Chamber" by Nathaniel Davison during 1765, more than three decades before Napoleon "built" it! He was Wortley Montagu's secretary and documented his journeys for the Royal Society says wikipedia, so somewhere here: The Royal Society.
 
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For example in the discovery of "Davison's Chamber" by Nathaniel Davison during 1765, more than three decades before Napoleon "built" it! He was Wortley Montagu's secretary and documented his journeys for the Royal Society says wikipedia, so somewhere here: The Royal Society.
Ok, We've been through this before. I did some searching on this source, but if you say that there is evidence, please present the said evidence.

Here is my thoughts on this Davison's chamber.
The Davison's chamber is the lowest one
above the King's chamber
Great_Pyramid_Diagram.jpg

1. First of all, making the chamber emphasis when you just had a chance to observe the most massive building in the world, and not mention its size is at the very least suspicious. Considering that we have no Great Giza Pyramids drawings up to this point, it could have been a good way to distinguish yourself.

Logic should say, that he would be like, "Holishit, there are three humongous Pyramids out there... Garçon, one crayon s'il vous plaît!" And the reason to say that is in the image below. This is the 1850 image though, and not 1765. Even 100 years later the Great Pyramid was pretty huge. Apparently in 1765 it was a "no big deal" type of building.

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2. I posted this image in my original post, where an artist, Frederick Louis Norden (*1708 - †1742) depicted the only three existing types of the Egyptian pyramids known at the time. As we can see the top pyramid in the image does not have the shape of the Great Pyramid. I assume nobody wants to accuse this guy of not knowing how to draw.

The top pyramid could have been the one our Mr. Davison described finding the chamber in (that is if he really did). It could coincidentally be the one Napoleon built his Great Pyramid around.

Norden made a voyage through Egypt all the way down to Sudan in 1737–1738, on the request of King Christian VI of Denmark. Norden made abundant notes, observations and drawings of everything around him, including people, pharaonic monuments, architecture, installations, maps etc., all of which was published in the posthumous Voyage d'Egypte et de Nubie.

Sahara_pyramids_1.pngNorden-Frederic-Louis.jpg

Now, if this guy did not see the three Great Pyramids, they had to be pretty "hidden". Unless he simply did not notice this.

great_pyramids_of_egypt.jpg

The book Voyage d'Egypte et de Nubie is widely available on the internet.

Frederick Louis Norden, an eminent Danish traveller, was born 1708 in Gluckstadt, Holstein. He was a volunteer in the British fleet under Sir John Norris in the Mediterranean, having been previously sent by the king of Denmark to Egypt, to make drawings and observations of the ancient monuments of that country. These he executed with great fidelity, and his Travels in Egypt and Nubia. with plates, were splendidly printed in 3 vols. folio. Being elected a member of the Royal Society of London, he presented to that learned body his drawings of ruins and colossal statues at Thebes, of which he also published a memoir. Died, 1742. (Maunder, S. The biographical treasury. New ed. 1870.)

3. Nathaniel Davison's 1765 sources.

Once again, may be the chamber was mentioned, I don't know. The fact that Great Pyramids were not mentioned is bizarre, and leads me to believe that the chamber (if he indeed made this discovery) was inside one of those pyramids depicted in all of the older engravings.

Now to the actual sources we go:

In 1765 Nathaniel Davison discovered the Chamber, but kept it a secret for 14 years. Only 14 years later, in 1779 he writes a letter to Joseph White, in which he conjectured (an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information) about the architectural role of the chamber. Of course this letter exists in the unknown location. Can we see the letter?

An engraving after a drawing by Davison of the interior of the Great Pyramid appeared in volume 2 (1807) Travels in Upper and Lower Egypt.

Same situation we have. No actual document, and a book published in 1807.

So, where is the evidence?

* * * * *
Research is a funny thing. We actually do have a pyramid resembling one of the Great Pyramids. This work was done in 1452. But apparently, the below pyramid is actually a boat.

Noah's Ark.jpg

In 1452, Italian artist Lorenzo Ghiberti (1387-1455), in his ‘Gates of Paradise’ panel section, included three scenes showing the Biblical story of the flood, one of which, shown below, depicting Noah and his family coming to rest outside of a "pyramid" (not a mountain), that arose out of the flood.

The pyramid shown here, to note, is interpreted by Ghiberti to be the “ark” and not actually the mountain. This pyramid ark thesis comes from Greek theologian Origen.
“l think that the ark, as much as is clear from the things that are described, had four angles rising from the bottom that gradually narrowed as they came to the peak and came together in the space of one cubit. Thus the cubit is the length and width of the peak.” - Origen (c.230) - SOURCE
 

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Interesting. Regarding Napoleon's time spent there, I doubt if it was long enough to put up such gigantian structure in that time period. Plus, the near perfect execution of the dimensions are mind boggling.

Plus, talking about Egypt, here's further food for thought....


 

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Ok, We've been through this before. I did some searching on this source, but if you say that there is evidence, please present the said evidence.

Here is my thoughts on this Davison's chamber.
The Davison's chamber is the lowest one
above the King's chamber
View attachment 2729

1. First of all, making the chamber emphasis when you just had a chance to observe the most massive building in the world, and not mention its size is at the very least suspicious. Considering that we have no Great Giza Pyramids drawings up to this point, it could have been a good way to distinguish yourself.

Logic should say, that he would be like, "Holishit, there are three humongous Pyramids out there... Garçon, one crayon s'il vous plaît!" And the reason to say that is in the image below. This is the 1850 image though, and not 1765. Even 100 years later the Great Pyramid was pretty huge. Apparently in 1765 it was a "no big deal" type of building.

2. I posted this image in my original post, where an artist, Frederick Louis Norden (*1708 - †1742) depicted the only three existing types of the Egyptian pyramids known at the time. As we can see the top pyramid in the image does not have the shape of the Great Pyramid. I assume nobody wants to accuse this guy of not knowing how to draw.

The top pyramid could have been the one our Mr. Davison described finding the chamber in (that is if he really did). It could coincidentally be the one Napoleon built his Great Pyramid around.

Norden made a voyage through Egypt all the way down to Sudan in 1737–1738, on the request of King Christian VI of Denmark. Norden made abundant notes, observations and drawings of everything around him, including people, pharaonic monuments, architecture, installations, maps etc., all of which was published in the posthumous Voyage d'Egypte et de Nubie.


Now, if this guy did not see the three Great Pyramids, they had to be pretty "hidden". Unless he simply did not notice this.


The book Voyage d'Egypte et de Nubie is widely available on the internet.

Frederick Louis Norden, an eminent Danish traveller, was born 1708 in Gluckstadt, Holstein. He was a volunteer in the British fleet under Sir John Norris in the Mediterranean, having been previously sent by the king of Denmark to Egypt, to make drawings and observations of the ancient monuments of that country. These he executed with great fidelity, and his Travels in Egypt and Nubia. with plates, were splendidly printed in 3 vols. folio. Being elected a member of the Royal Society of London, he presented to that learned body his drawings of ruins and colossal statues at Thebes, of which he also published a memoir. Died, 1742. (Maunder, S. The biographical treasury. New ed. 1870.)

3. Nathaniel Davison's 1765 sources.

Once again, may be the chamber was mentioned, I don't know. The fact that Great Pyramids were not mentioned is bizarre, and leads me to believe that the chamber (if he indeed made this discovery) was inside one of those pyramids depicted in all of the older engravings.

Now to the actual sources we go:

In 1765 Nathaniel Davison discovered the Chamber, but kept it a secret for 14 years. Only 14 years later, in 1779 he writes a letter to Joseph White, in which he conjectured (an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information) about the architectural role of the chamber. Of course this letter exists in the unknown location. Can we see the letter?

An engraving after a drawing by Davison of the interior of the Great Pyramid appeared in volume 2 (1807) Travels in Upper and Lower Egypt.

Same situation we have. No actual document, and a book published in 1807.

So, where is the evidence?

* * * * *
Research is a funny thing. We actually do have a pyramid resembling one of the Great Pyramids. This work was done in 1452. But apparently, the below pyramid is actually a boat.


In 1452, Italian artist Lorenzo Ghiberti (1387-1455), in his ‘Gates of Paradise’ panel section, included three scenes showing the Biblical story of the flood, one of which, shown below, depicting Noah and his family coming to rest outside of a "pyramid" (not a mountain), that arose out of the flood.

The pyramid shown here, to note, is interpreted by Ghiberti to be the “ark” and not actually the mountain. This pyramid ark thesis comes from Greek theologian Origen.
On the picture with pyramids it is written sixty one in roman numerals (LXI); after downloaded the book, below LXI picture, the title says: "Differentes Pyramides pres de Sakkara en Egypte", which Sakkara is twenty five kilometers south of Giza, and after Fig.2, with smaller letters, there is written: "Seconde Pyramide, elle est ouverte, et de la meme construction et hauteur que celles de Memphis", which Memphis is near Sakkara, a few kilometers away. Looks like that pyramid it is not the Great Pyramid because "pres" (I do not have French keyboard) in French means "near", but you have a point if royalsociety.org does not have those reports on site. I knew nothing about Norden and I have to study his work. If he reached Sakkara he should saw Giza!

The Norden edition which I have downloaded is missing drawings because the first drawing from page 289 is titled "Seconde Partie de la Carte du cours du Nil, avec ses Environs, depuis Deir Abusaiffeen, jusqu'a Kofferloyad", so where is "Premiere Partie"?! Deir Abusaiffeen is more than twenty five kilometers south of Giza!
 
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Thanks to you @ion.brad, I actually found what definitely looks to be the Great Pyramids. This is from the Premier Partie. There are some calculations in one of the images. Would like to see if I can figure out what they say, tomorrow.



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I still have this issue with proportions. These pyramids have equal sides at best. Try to flip a regular Great Pyramid 90 degrees.



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Now I need to figure out what this Mennahuad, and Manjel-musa, with Dagjour pyramid is.

egypt_pyramids_004.jpgegypt_pyramids_01.png

My Question

Is this the same handwriting?

egypt_pyramids_letter.jpgegypt_pyramids_letter_1.jpg
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Also found this Pyramidographia by John Greeves (1602-1652). Some interesting pyramids he has in there. Look at this one.

whatever_it_is.jpg

And whatever Russian Crest is doing here...

beinecke.jpgRussian_crest.jpg
This is Antonio Tempesta 1608. Is it being built?

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Very glad to be of some help! May I have a link where to download the Norden edition with Premier Partie? What you call "hand writting" looks like an italic print, but there are two different sets of fonts. The picture "whatever_it_is.jpg" is a psihotronic device and there is no chance to understand how it works without Santilli math. The page with Russian Crest remind me badly a book which said that there were very tight connections between France and Russia in the past with many very important persons from Versailles speaking russian, but I was very sceptic. Beeing many years ago, I cannot remember if it was a Fomenko's book or an other author. Antonio Tempesta looks like a naive picture: I cannot see that oxes powered vehicle (I do not know english word) carrying such a rock on a desert road with those wheels and four oxes only!
 

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Thank you for the link! These pyramids are from Memphis, near Sakkara, not from Giza.
 
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Thank you for the link! These pyramids are from Memphis, near Sakkara, not from Giza.
Agreed, but Memphis does not have an additional set of Great Pyramids.

Here is the plan by Norden with the fourth pyramid on there. This is getting confusing.

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After some searching, this 4th pyramid has been a mystery for a while. Just google for the fourth pyramid of Egypt.

 

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Nice find! The forth pyramid went after the 1893's Columbian Exposition in Chicago! It is not hard to think that the cube from the top was badly needed by some organization and, if they ordered the pyramid demolition, that means the rocks had some kind of treatment which could not be explained or even allowed to be seen! A black kind of rock and an yellow kind of rock sound very interesting. That means the similarity with Orion belt was just a cover story!

The demolition order came after the Napoleon reports were read. Lots of pyramids on Earth: China, Egypt, Mexic, Serbia, the list is open!
 
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The entire thing remains pretty strange. Them Pyramids were built up to 4500 years ago, yet only 1.5 guys from the 18th century presented us with anything remotely close to the looks of the Great Pyramids.

And with what we do have, the Pyramids do not look the way they are supposed to. The first person to get it right was Napoleon himself on that white paper.

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Were told not to trust oral tradition but copies of mNuscripts?????
 

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Ok, We've been through this before. I did some searching on this source, but if you say that there is evidence, please present the said evidence.

Here is my thoughts on this Davison's chamber.
The Davison's chamber is the lowest one
above the King's chamber
View attachment 2729

1. First of all, making the chamber emphasis when you just had a chance to observe the most massive building in the world, and not mention its size is at the very least suspicious. Considering that we have no Great Giza Pyramids drawings up to this point, it could have been a good way to distinguish yourself.

Logic should say, that he would be like, "Holishit, there are three humongous Pyramids out there... Garçon, one crayon s'il vous plaît!" And the reason to say that is in the image below. This is the 1850 image though, and not 1765. Even 100 years later the Great Pyramid was pretty huge. Apparently in 1765 it was a "no big deal" type of building.

2. I posted this image in my original post, where an artist, Frederick Louis Norden (*1708 - †1742) depicted the only three existing types of the Egyptian pyramids known at the time. As we can see the top pyramid in the image does not have the shape of the Great Pyramid. I assume nobody wants to accuse this guy of not knowing how to draw.

The top pyramid could have been the one our Mr. Davison described finding the chamber in (that is if he really did). It could coincidentally be the one Napoleon built his Great Pyramid around.

Norden made a voyage through Egypt all the way down to Sudan in 1737–1738, on the request of King Christian VI of Denmark. Norden made abundant notes, observations and drawings of everything around him, including people, pharaonic monuments, architecture, installations, maps etc., all of which was published in the posthumous Voyage d'Egypte et de Nubie.


Now, if this guy did not see the three Great Pyramids, they had to be pretty "hidden". Unless he simply did not notice this.


The book Voyage d'Egypte et de Nubie is widely available on the internet.

Frederick Louis Norden, an eminent Danish traveller, was born 1708 in Gluckstadt, Holstein. He was a volunteer in the British fleet under Sir John Norris in the Mediterranean, having been previously sent by the king of Denmark to Egypt, to make drawings and observations of the ancient monuments of that country. These he executed with great fidelity, and his Travels in Egypt and Nubia. with plates, were splendidly printed in 3 vols. folio. Being elected a member of the Royal Society of London, he presented to that learned body his drawings of ruins and colossal statues at Thebes, of which he also published a memoir. Died, 1742. (Maunder, S. The biographical treasury. New ed. 1870.)

3. Nathaniel Davison's 1765 sources.

Once again, may be the chamber was mentioned, I don't know. The fact that Great Pyramids were not mentioned is bizarre, and leads me to believe that the chamber (if he indeed made this discovery) was inside one of those pyramids depicted in all of the older engravings.

Now to the actual sources we go:

In 1765 Nathaniel Davison discovered the Chamber, but kept it a secret for 14 years. Only 14 years later, in 1779 he writes a letter to Joseph White, in which he conjectured (an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information) about the architectural role of the chamber. Of course this letter exists in the unknown location. Can we see the letter?

An engraving after a drawing by Davison of the interior of the Great Pyramid appeared in volume 2 (1807) Travels in Upper and Lower Egypt.

Same situation we have. No actual document, and a book published in 1807.

So, where is the evidence?

* * * * *
Research is a funny thing. We actually do have a pyramid resembling one of the Great Pyramids. This work was done in 1452. But apparently, the below pyramid is actually a boat.


In 1452, Italian artist Lorenzo Ghiberti (1387-1455), in his ‘Gates of Paradise’ panel section, included three scenes showing the Biblical story of the flood, one of which, shown below, depicting Noah and his family coming to rest outside of a "pyramid" (not a mountain), that arose out of the flood.

The pyramid shown here, to note, is interpreted by Ghiberti to be the “ark” and not actually the mountain. This pyramid ark thesis comes from Greek theologian Origen.
pyramids or not this is a interesting drawing:

look at all the spires!

Thanks to you @ion.brad, I actually found what definitely looks to be the Great Pyramids. This is from the Premier Partie. There are some calculations in one of the images. Would like to see if I can figure out what they say, tomorrow.



View attachment 2734View attachment 2735View attachment 2736
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I still have this issue with proportions. These pyramids have equal sides at best. Try to flip a regular Great Pyramid 90 degrees.



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Now I need to figure out what this Mennahuad, and Manjel-musa, with Dagjour pyramid is.

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My Question

Is this the same handwriting?

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Also found this Pyramidographia by John Greeves (1602-1652). Some interesting pyramids he has in there. Look at this one.


And whatever Russian Crest is doing here...

This is Antonio Tempesta 1608. Is it being built?

lots of interesting stuff here, but yeah looks like we found your pyramids after all, i also find that "pyramid" by john greeves or whatever the hell is that very interesting

Sure thing, there you go: Voyage d'Égypte et de Nubie

Where is the fourth pyramid today?

downed by the mud flood, where else?

Sure thing, there you go: Voyage d'Égypte et de Nubie

Where is the fourth pyramid today?

HOLY SHIT! look at the right!, there is a building with huge collums there, clear as day!
 
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What I find bizarre is that for such a prominent guy like Frederick Louis Norden, this Egyptian saga of his, is the only work assigned to this name I was able to reference on the internet.

Sure to get tasked with a job of this magnitude he had to have experience backed up by other works. Yet there appears to be nothing else done by him.

There were a few editiions of the same book. Other than that, he appears to be this one book wonder.

Google Ngram has ZERO references to the name in both English and French with respect to the name spelling for French.
 

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From "Ancient Egypt 39000 BCE" by Edward F. Malkowski: "According to the Arab historian and geographer Muhamed Taki Al Makrizi in his book "Hitat", in the fourteenth century Arabic and Coptic manuscripts were discovered in a Cairo library, which were possibly the tenth-century writings of the Arab historian Masoudi. Whatever the case, Al Makrizi's "Hitat" tells the story of an unusual discovery in a Giza pyramid. According to this text, the builder of the "Western Pyramid" - meaning the Black Pyramid - made thirty treasury chambers within the structure and filled them with instruments, picture columns, and precious stone. Also, the ancient text claims, the rooms contained equipment of fine ironlike weapons that do not rust, glass that can be folded without breaking, strange charms and lanterns, various kinds of simple and mixed medicines, and deadly poisons. Corpses of the soothsayers were placed in sarcophagi carved from black granite. Beside each soothsayer lay a book relating all his magical arts, his life's story, and the works he had accomplished.
Masoudi also claims to have seen mechanical statues in the subteranean tunnels of Giza: "I have seen that one does not describe for fear of making people doubt one's intelligence... but still I have seen them."
What happened to this Black Pyramid?
According to Bushby, Masonic literature states that in 1759 the pyramid was dismantled by a Scottish faction of the Masons, who were motivated by the possibility of hidden treasure. The black stones were sold to fund the operation. Bushby claims that the square of Black Pyramid can be seen approximately three hundred feet west of the third pyramid, and his book contains an aerial photo of it".

Fairy tale or the cause of our "scientific" advance? Anyway, looks like they kept the best for them!
 
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Well, tech has slowly been getting released ever since the so-called industrial revolution of the 19th century.

Here is a couple of additional Egyptian pyramids which supposedly existed a very long time ago in the middle of a no longer existing lake Moeris.


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The movie says that Qarun Lake is a part of ancient Moeris Lake, just like wikipedia, which, after your "Lake_Moeris_ancient.jpg" map is wrong, because this map shows the Amenemhat the Third pyramid on the bank of Moeris Lake and Qarun Lake is far away to the south-west!

Anyway, looks like our industrial revolution it is due to the dismemberment of many pyramids: Black Pyramid, the two big pyramids from Lake Moeris with a lot of temples and, maybe, many others which are today presented like "ancient" ruins!
 
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