Battlefield America

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USA Urban Fires
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I don't think the below list of "Fires" could be called a "surface scratch," for it's not even close. What am I talking about here? Take the below list and apply it to the entire United States territory. You will simply have to change a city/town name. Here is an example for you. Just click on this link. The photographs you will see belong to the 1904 Urban Fire in the city Baltimore. Now spread this devastation throughout the entire U.S. of A. territory.

the Great Baltimore Fire in 1904-1.jpg

I called this thread a "Battlefield America", because after all the photographs I've seen, and bogus stories I've read, this is the impression I get. Yet, the entire issue is being downplayed beyond belief.

The issue does not stop with the United States. The reason I did not include any other countries is simple: I had to keep the OP short. Ultimately, I would love to see similar threads started by our forum members from, or for other countries. i.e.:
If you choose to google some of the below fires, you will find quite a few "entertaining" stories, accompanied by some horrific photographs. The story writers can be creative beyond belief. You will see that some of the lines are present in (just about) every single fire description. You will be wondering why for 150 years some cities had hard time figuring out, that wood has a tendency to burn. In most of those photographs you will be like, "Where are those buildings made of wood? All I can see is brick."

If you run into an Urban Fire not mentioned in the list below, please do not hesitate to share it with our forum members. Same goes for the photographs, story-lines (quote or us, please) and/or any other bizarre/peculiar thing you notice. Just as well, please feel free to post photographs from the below 101 "fires". Please provide some accompanying comments if you do.

I know that we have a couple threads pertaining to the issue, but to be honest, I did not realize the size of the tragedy, so to speak. I hope my attempt to emphasize it, will bring more attention to this problem of historical proportions.

Ultimately, all of us would like to know, what could have caused the devastation. Don't hesitate to step forward with your opinion.

IMPORTANT: Please keep this thread to the US fires only. There are way to many of these "fires" out there, to crunch the entire world into one place. The intent is to fully understand the scope, and country separation is of tremendous importance for that. (i believe, at least)

KD: The questions remains the same - what was the real cause of the damages, and why the truth is being hidden from us?

101 U. S. "Fires"
  1. 03.20.1760 - Boston, MA Fire
  2. 09.20.1776 - New York, NY Fire
  3. 04.20.1787 - Boston, MA Fire
  4. 03.21.1788 - New Orleans, LA Fire
  5. 12.08.1794 - New Orleans, LA Fire
  6. 11.26.1796 - Savannah, GA - Fire
  7. 12.26.1802 - Portsmouth, NH Fire
  8. 06.11.1805 - Detroit, MI Fire
  9. 12.24.1806 - Portsmouth, NH Fire
  10. 12.22.1813 - Portsmouth, NH Fire
  11. 08.24.1814 - Washington D.C. Fire
  12. 07.16.1815 - Petersburg, VA Fire
  13. 05.26.1817 - Sag Harbor, NY Fire
  14. 01.11.1820 - Savannah, GA Fire
  15. 01.18.1827 - Alexandria, VA Fire
  16. 05.29.1831 - Fayetteville, NC Fire
  17. 12.16.1835 - New York, NY Fire
  18. 04.27.1838 - Charleston, SC Fire
  19. 10.02.1839 - Mobile, AL Fire
  20. 03.27.1840 - Louisville, KY Fire
  21. 04.03.1843 - Fall River, MA Fire
  22. 05.25.1843 - Tallahassee, FL Fire
  23. 04.10.1845 - Pittsburgh, PA Fire
  24. 05.26.1845 - Sag Harbor, NY Fire
  25. 07.19.1845 - New York, NY Fire
  26. 11.14.1845 - Sag Harbor, NY Fire
  27. 12.12.1845 - Bridgeport, CT Fire
  28. 06.13.1846 - Nantucket, MA Fire
  29. 04.11.1848 - Medina, OH Fire
  30. 08.17.1848 - Albany, NY Fire
  31. 05.17.1849 - St. Louis, MO Fire
  32. 11.24.1849 - Baton Rouge, LA - Fire
  33. 12.24.1849 - San Francisco, CA - Fire
  34. 04.04.1850 - San Francisco, CA - Fire
  35. 04.09.1850 - Philadelphia, PA Fire
  36. 05.03.1851 - San Francisco, CA Fire
  37. 06.09.1853 - Oswego, NY Fire
  38. 06.06.1856 - Philadelphia, PA Fire
  39. 03.10.1859 - Houston, TX Fire
  40. 11.15.1864 - Atlanta, GA Fire
  41. 06.08.1860 - Dallas, TX Fire
  42. 12.11.1861 - Charleston, SC Fire
  43. 05.10.1862 - Troy, NY Fire
  44. 04.19.1863 - Denver, CO Fire
  45. 02.08.1865 - Philadelphia, PA Fire
  46. 02.17.1865 - Columbia, SC Fire
  47. 04.03.1865 - Richmond, VA Fire
  48. 07.04.1866 - Portland, ME Fire
  49. 04.14.1870 - Medina, OH Fire
  50. 10.08.1871 - Port Huron, MI Fire
  51. 10.08.1871 - White Rock, MI Fire
  52. 10.08.1871 - Holland, MI Fire
  53. 10.08.1871 - Manistee, MI Fire
  54. 10.08.1871 - Alpena, MI Fire
  55. 10.08.1871 - Chicago, IL Fire
  56. 10.08.1871 - Peshtigo, WI Fire
  57. 10.09.1871 - Urbana, Oh Fire
  58. 11.09.1872 - Boston, MA Fire
  59. 08.02.1873 - Portland, WA Fire
  60. 06.14.1874 - Chicago, IL Fire
  61. 10.26.1875 - Virginia City, NV Fire
  62. 08.31.1877 - Paris, TX Fire
  63. 03.23.1876 - Fernandina Beach, FL Fire
  64. 04.13.1878 - Clarksville, TN Fire
  65. 11.08.1878 - Cape May, NJ Fire
  66. 03.02.1879 - Reno, NV Fire
  67. 06.07.1881 - Cincinnati, OH Fire
  68. 09.05.1881 - Thumb,MI Fire
  69. 02.18.1882 - Haverhill, MA Fire
  70. 08.11.1883 - Vineyard Haven, MA Fire
  71. 11.13.1885 - Galveston, TX Fire
  72. 04.01.1886 - Key West, FL Fire
  73. 05.20.1887 - Cannon Falls, MN Fire
  74. 09.20.1887 - Sanford, FL Fire
  75. 04.07.1889 - Bakersfield, CA Fire
  76. 06.06.1889 - Seattle, WA Fire
  77. 07.04.1889 - Ellensburg, WA Fire
  78. 07.07.1889 - Great Bakersfield, CA Fire
  79. 08.04.1889 - Spokane, WA Fire
  80. 11.26.1889 - Great Lynn, MA Fire
  81. 03.14.1891 - Syracuse, NY Fire
  82. 10.28.1892 - Milwaukee, WI Fire
  83. 06.07.1893 - Fargo, ND Fire
  84. 08.14.1893 - Minneapolis, MN Fire
  85. 09.01.1894 - Hinckley, MN Fire
  86. 10.21.1895 - New Orleans, LA Fire
  87. 04.27.1896 - Paris, TX Fire
  88. 09.12.1896 - Ontonagon, MI Fire
  89. 04.08.1897 - Knoxville, TN Fire
  90. 06.20.1898 - Park City, UT Fire
  91. 05.03.1901 - Jacksonville, FL Fire
  92. 02.08.1904 - Baltimore, MD Fire
  93. 04.18.1906 - San Francisco, CA Fire and Earthquake
  94. 03.01.1908 - Ybor City, FL Fire
  95. 04.30.1911 - Bangor, ME Fire
  96. 06.25.1914 - Salem, MA Fire
  97. 03.21.1916 - Paris, TX Fire
  98. 03.22.1916 - Augusta, GA Fire
  99. 10.10.1918 - Cloquet, MN Fire
  100. 12.01.1922 - New Berm, NC Fire
  101. 02.02.1928 - Fall River, MA Fire

 

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Right after I posted about Prescott, Arizona, the thought occurred that you could put the name of literally any city in the world after the words "Great Fire of..." and come up with something. And even if Google hasn't recorded the event in its nearly omniscient data banks, it will probably be in the city historical records someplace. If you want to watch the whole world burning, just travel back in your time machine to the 1800s.
 
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I think you are absolutely correct about Google not having a good chunk of these fires. One of the texts I went through in a nonchalant manner stated that the same city had already experienced a similar fate in the past. Yet, I was unable to find that prior fire.

And answering here to your Prescott fire, just to keep everything in one place. They were ridiculously capable of pinpointing the exact house where the fire started, snd for the most part had a guilty party’s first and last name attached to it.

There is also a reason of why they could not react. Low tide, frozen lines, repairs, volunteer fire fighters too slow, you name it.

And the thing which gets the most is the wooden buildings. We can have two places 150 miles apart. One can suffer a devastating fire, resulting in a “brick buildings only” ordinance. Then their neighbor city suffers a similar fire but 110 years later. And only then do they come up with the same brick ordinance. Really?

Then you look at the pictures, and the place looks like Hiroshima with nothing but brick laying around.

It took us how long to clean up the Twin Towers wreckage?
  • On any given workday, up to 50,000 employees worked in the WTC twin towers, and an additional 40,000 passed through the complex. After the September 11th attacks on the World Trade Center, the rescue and recovery clean-up of the 1.8 million tons of wreckage from the WTC site took 9 months.
And we had some real heavy machinery to use. Where is the info about their clean up methods and time frames. Some of those places, like Boston, Chicago and Atlanta were pretty big.
 

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And the thing which gets the most is the wooden buildings. We can have two places 150 miles apart. One can suffer a devastating fire, resulting in a “brick buildings only” ordinance. Then their neighbor city suffers a similar fire but 110 years later. And only then do they come up with the same brick ordinance. Really?
The fishy thing about Chicago is that when I look at current real estate, I’m always finding “pre-Fire” wooden houses that somehow avoided this ordinance. This neighborhood has wooden building, that neighborhood has wooden building, EVERY neighborhood has wooden buildings before and after the Great Chicago Fire, to the point it’s just not special anymore.
 

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The fishy thing about Chicago is that when I look at current real estate, I’m always finding “pre-Fire” wooden houses that somehow avoided this ordinance. This neighborhood has wooden building, that neighborhood has wooden building, EVERY neighborhood has wooden buildings before and after the Great Chicago Fire, to the point it’s just not special anymore.
Yes and it is strange that buildings like this were destroyed

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When I look at these pictures I think I'm looking at bombed-out cities in Europe after WWII. and also yeah, so many brick buildings in these fires, piles of brick rubble everywhere and they try to lead us to believe everything was built out of wood, hence the rapid burning down of the city (insert name here). So they announce no more wooden buildings, we will rebuild with bricks, when cleary there were many many large brick buildings already that look like they have been bombed out.

Also I don't care how many "fire experts" try to explain how trees right next to a raging inferno don't catch fire. And saying they are fresh green trees or some such nonsense is BS of course, ever have a campfire burning in the woods, even trees too close will start having their foliage turn brown from the heat, the leaves will start turning brown and crunchy, they dry out fast. Now imagine a few trees right next to these burning buildings. Sheeesh
 
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Yes and it is strange that buildings like this were destroyed
Yup Chicago tops them all. The building in the image you posted makes us people look like a bunch of non belonging ants.

My favorite Chicago image is posted below. Especially considering this sentence from provided by the narrative:
  • City officials never determined the exact cause of the blaze, but the rapid spread of the fire due to a long drought in the prior summer, strong winds from the southwest, and the rapid destruction of the water pumping system explain the extensive damage of the mainly wooden city structures.
Full quote follows:
  • The fire started at about 9:00 p.m. on October 8, in or around a small barn belonging to the O'Leary family that bordered the alley behind 137 DeKoven Street. The shed next to the barn was the first building to be consumed by the fire. City officials never determined the exact cause of the blaze, but the rapid spread of the fire due to a long drought in the prior summer, strong winds from the southwest, and the rapid destruction of the water pumping system explain the extensive damage of the mainly wooden city structures. There has been much speculation over the years on a single start to the fire. The most popular tale blames Mrs. O'Leary's cow, who allegedly knocked over a lantern; others state that a group of men were gambling inside the barn and knocked over a lantern. Still other speculation suggests that the blaze was related to other fires in the Midwest that day.
...damage of the mainly wooden city structures...
View from the Southwest corner of Dearborn and Monroe, 1871.JPG

I would like to know what type of wires we have on those power poles. Pretty sure the narrative will mention some sort of a telegraph, or other such thing. For those sure "could not" be electric in 1871.
  • In 1878, Chicago ushered in the electrical age with experimental demonstrations of arc lights, brilliant 2,000-candlepower devices that created a spark or arc of current across two carbon rods.
  • Gas and Electricity
Going back to the Chicago Fire quote I mentioned above. Under other (simultaneous) fires in the area they mean The Peshtigo and Port Huron Fires.
Sounds like on October 8th, 1871 there was a triangle of death there. What are the chances of the distant areas to suffer the same fate on the same date.
  • Will we ever find out what really happened?
chicago_fire_map.jpg


Cloquet Fire, MN
My husband did a term paper (long go) on the cloquet, mn. Fire where he interviewed a bunch of old people. Unfortunately he doesn’t remember one thing. Dang. I asked him to try to let it surface.
This one actually reminded me of the recent 2019 "natural" California Fires. Same type of damages. Here is a couple interesting lines from the narrative:
  • On October 10, 1918, two men working near a railroad siding northwest of Cloquet saw a passenger train pass by the siding, and soon thereafter discovered a fire burning through grass and piles of wood. The fire could not be contained, and by October 12, fires had spread through northern Minnesota.
  • Early reports of the fire circulated rumors that the fires were intentionally started by "enemy agents", but Cloquet fire Chief F. J. Longren later confirmed that such rumors were false.
  • What is often called simply the Cloquet Fire was really a host of fires, fifty or more, that combined in a single event. It had two major theaters, one called the Cloquet–Duluth Fire and the other the Moose Lake Fire.
1918 Fire - Ruins of Cloquet.jpg


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Cloquet 1918 fire Ruins with people.jpg
 

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Just to throw some sticks on the fire... here is the first photograph of the city of Buffalo. Of course, it's from a fire. March 11, 1850. And just a sidenote here... the City of Buffalo burned in 1813, courtesy of the British revenge of the American burning of York, Ontario CA. They tell us only 2-4 buildings survived. So, then note that Buffalo never had another "great fire". There was no need, everything had long been destroyed.

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Making an obvious link, but the frequently quoted quote "Caused no deaths" bears a possible link with the question as to 'where are the missing millions' in reference to populations. It got me thinking as to what the meaning of the statement 'no deaths recorded is.' It doesn't mean no deaths. It just means who died won't be remembered. The lack of deaths is the strangest thing.

Texas City disaster - Wikipedia

I don't think that this attached fire NECESSARILY fits the profile. Perhaps having a clear cause, being a little later in the timeline etc. However, the profile it does fit is perhaps a clearer idea of the EFFECTS of a large fire. 567 for 'the deadliest industrial disaster' in American history.

I think key is not necessarily the deaths, but the deaths of firefighters. Firefighter deaths don't seem to be recorded in any of the aforementioned fire fights which I think could perhaps be a significant clue. The absence of which suggests a falsified narrative. Other such clues I suggest would be the lack of legal cases. The Texas City Disaster seems to have plenty of litigation attached to this. As far as I can tell, there is no litigation superficially related to the Baltimore fire for instance (although I must admit I have only checked headline sources).
 

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You one thing that is quite noticeable is that in the pictures of the aftermath there doesn't appear to be any charred remains, seems like there would be lots of black areas on the buildings, from soot and where the bricks were being charred by the flames, never such evidence. At Least now that I am focusing on that for a bit, I never noticed before.

Back to the campfire, if you built a fire in a fire pit, be it rocks or bricks, after one fire they will turn black from the fire. So it doesn't take extreme heat for a fire to do this, heck you can barely melt a beer bottle in a blazing campfire.

Regarding reported deaths. It brings to mind a woman who had been trying to find out what happened to a sister and her family , they lived in San Francisco at the time of the fire and earthquake 1906. She said her family had heard regularly from the sister, via letters, but after the fire, never heard from any of them again and the family was never able to find out exactly what happened to them. Of course they assumed they did all perish in the fire.
Going by the many many fires that devastated all these cities, most likely the majority of firefighters just had to stand and watch the cities burn.
 
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USA Urban Fires
(no other countries)

I don't think the below list of "Fires" could be called a "surface scratch," for it's not even close. What am I talking about here? Take the below list and apply it to the entire United States territory. You will simply have to change a city/town name. Here is an example for you. Just click on this link. The photographs you will see belong to the 1904 Urban Fire in the city Baltimore. Now spread this devastation throughout the entire U.S. of A. territory.


I called this thread a "Battlefield America", because after all the photographs I've seen, and bogus stories I've read, this is the impression I get. Yet, the entire issue is being downplayed beyond belief.

The issue does not stop with the United States. The reason I did not include any other countries is simple: I had to keep the OP short. Ultimately, I would love to see similar threads started by our forum members from, or for other countries. i.e.:
  • Battlefield Canada
  • Battlefield Great Britain
  • Battlefield Australia
  • Battlefield Mexico
  • Battlefield Russia
  • Battlefield Ukrain
  • Battlefield Japan
  • etc.
If you choose to google some of the below fires, you will find quite a few "entertaining" stories, accompanied by some horrific photographs. The story writers can be creative beyond belief. You will see that some of the lines are present in (just about) every single fire description. You will be wondering why for 150 years some cities had hard time figuring out, that wood has a tendency to burn. In most of those photographs you will be like, "Where are those buildings made of wood? All I can see is brick."

If you run into an Urban Fire not mentioned in the list below, please do not hesitate to share it with our forum members. Same goes for the photographs, story-lines (quote or us, please) and/or any other bizarre/peculiar thing you notice. Just as well, please feel free to post photographs from the below 100 "fires". Please provide some accompanying comments if you do.

I know that we have a couple threads pertaining to the issue, but to be honest, I did not realize the size of the tragedy, so to speak. I hope my attempt to emphasize it, will bring more attention to this problem of historical proportions.

Ultimately, all of us would like to know, what could have caused the devastation. Don't hesitate to step forward with your opinion.

IMPORTANT: Please keep this thread to the US fires only. There are way to many of these "fires" out there, to crunch the entire world into one place. The intent is to fully understand the scope, and country separation is of tremendous importance for that. (i believe, at least)

KD: The questions remains the same - what was the real cause of the damages, and why the truth is being hidden from us?

100 U. S. "Fires"

  1. 03.20.1760 - Boston, MA Fire
  2. 09.20.1776 - New York, NY Fire
  3. 04.20.1787 - Boston, MA Fire
  4. 03.21.1788 - New Orleans, LA Fire
  5. 12.08.1794 - New Orleans, LA Fire
  6. 11.26.1796 - Savannah, GA - Fire
  7. 12.26.1802 - Portsmouth, NH Fire
  8. 06.11.1805 - Detroit, MI Fire
  9. 12.24.1806 - Portsmouth, NH Fire
  10. 12.22.1813 - Portsmouth, NH Fire
  11. 08.24.1814 - Washington D.C. Fire
  12. 07.16.1815 - Petersburg, VA Fire
  13. 05.26.1817 - Sag Harbor, NY Fire
  14. 01.11.1820 - Savannah, GA Fire
  15. 01.18.1827 - Alexandria, VA Fire
  16. 05.29.1831 - Fayetteville, NC Fire
  17. 12.16.1835 - New York, NY Fire
  18. 04.27.1838 - Charleston, SC Fire
  19. 10.02.1839 - Mobile, AL Fire
  20. 03.27.1840 - Louisville, KY Fire
  21. 04.03.1843 - Fall River, MA Fire
  22. 05.25.1843 - Tallahassee, FL Fire
  23. 04.10.1845 - Pittsburgh, PA Fire
  24. 05.26.1845 - Sag Harbor, NY Fire
  25. 07.19.1845 - New York, NY Fire
  26. 11.14.1845 - Sag Harbor, NY Fire
  27. 12.12.1845 - Bridgeport, CT Fire
  28. 06.13.1846 - Nantucket, MA Fire
  29. 04.11.1848 - Medina, OH Fire
  30. 08.17.1848 - Albany, NY Fire
  31. 05.17.1849 - St. Louis, MO Fire
  32. 11.24.1849 - Baton Rouge, LA - Fire
  33. 12.24.1849 - San Francisco, CA - Fire
  34. 04.04.1850 - San Francisco, CA - Fire
  35. 04.09.1850 - Philadelphia, PA Fire
  36. 05.03.1851 - San Francisco, CA Fire
  37. 06.09.1853 - Oswego, NY Fire
  38. 06.06.1856 - Philadelphia, PA Fire
  39. 03.10.1859 - Houston, TX Fire
  40. 11.15.1864 - Atlanta, GA Fire
  41. 06.08.1860 - Dallas, TX Fire
  42. 12.11.1861 - Charleston, SC Fire
  43. 05.10.1862 - Troy, NY Fire
  44. 04.19.1863 - Denver, CO Fire
  45. 02.08.1865 - Philadelphia, PA Fire
  46. 02.17.1865 - Columbia, SC Fire
  47. 04.03.1865 - Richmond, VA Fire
  48. 07.04.1866 - Portland, ME Fire
  49. 04.14.1870 - Medina, OH Fire
  50. 10.08.1871 - Port Huron, MI Fire
  51. 10.08.1871 - White Rock, MI Fire
  52. 10.08.1871 - Holland, MI Fire
  53. 10.08.1871 - Manistee, MI Fire
  54. 10.08.1871 - Alpena, MI Fire
  55. 10.08.1871 - Chicago, IL Fire
  56. 10.08.1871 - Peshtigo, WI Fire
  57. 10.09.1871 - Urbana, Oh Fire
  58. 11.09.1872 - Boston, MA Fire
  59. 08.02.1873 - Portland, WA Fire
  60. 06.14.1874 - Chicago, IL Fire
  61. 10.26.1875 - Virginia City, NV Fire
  62. 08.31.1877 - Paris, TX Fire
  63. 03.23.1876 - Fernandina Beach, FL Fire
  64. 04.13.1878 - Clarksville, TN Fire
  65. 11.08.1878 - Cape May, NJ Fire
  66. 03.02.1879 - Reno, NV Fire
  67. 06.07.1881 - Cincinnati, OH Fire
  68. 09.05.1881 - Thumb,MI Fire
  69. 02.18.1882 - Haverhill, MA Fire
  70. 08.11.1883 - Vineyard Haven, MA Fire
  71. 11.13.1885 - Galveston, TX Fire
  72. 04.01.1886 - Key West, FL Fire
  73. 05.20.1887 - Cannon Falls, MN Fire
  74. 09.20.1887 - Sanford, FL Fire
  75. 04.07.1889 - Bakersfield, CA Fire
  76. 08.04.1889 - Spokane, WA Fire
  77. 06.06.1889 - Seattle, WA Fire
  78. 07.07.1889 - Great Bakersfield, CA Fire
  79. 11.26.1889 - Great Lynn, MA Fire
  80. 03.14.1891 - Syracuse, NY Fire
  81. 10.28.1892 - Milwaukee, WI Fire
  82. 06.07.1893 - Fargo, ND Fire
  83. 08.14.1893 - Minneapolis, MN Fire
  84. 09.01.1894 - Hinckley, MN Fire
  85. 10.21.1895 - New Orleans, LA Fire
  86. 04.27.1896 - Paris, TX Fire
  87. 09.12.1896 - Ontonagon, MI Fire
  88. 04.08.1897 - Knoxville, TN Fire
  89. 06.20.1898 - Park City, UT Fire
  90. 05.03.1901 - Jacksonville, FL Fire
  91. 02.08.1904 - Baltimore, MD Fire
  92. 04.18.1906 - San Francisco, CA Fire and Earthquake
  93. 03.01.1908 - Ybor City, FL Fire
  94. 04.30.1911 - Bangor, ME Fire
  95. 06.25.1914 - Salem, MA Fire
  96. 03.21.1916 - Paris, TX Fire
  97. 03.22.1916 - Augusta, GA Fire
  98. 10.10.1918 - Cloquet, MN Fire
  99. 12.01.1922 - New Berm, NC Fire
  100. 02.02.1928 - Fall River, MA Fire

That tread pushed me start to think that pre flood/bombed civilisation in AMERICA was the same powerfull than TARTARY or even MORE. Thats why both of them were complitly erased from history.

We know in Asia Tartary but what about America?

Ancestral Puebloans?
This can be separate tread!

Ancestral Puebloans - Wikipedia

Pueblo Bonito (Spanish for beautiful town) is the largest and best-known great house in Chaco Culture National Historical Park, northern New Mexico. It was built by the Ancestral Puebloanswho occupied the structure between AD 828 and 1126.

Pueblo del Arroyo is an Ancestral Puebloangreat house and archaeological site located in Chaco Culture National Historical Park, in New Mexico, United States.

Chetro Ketl is an Ancestral Puebloan great house and archeological site located in Chaco Culture National Historical Park, New Mexico, United States. Construction on Chetro Ketl began c. 990 and was largely complete by 1075, with significant remodeling occurring in the early and mid-1110s. Following the onset of a severe drought, most Chacoans emigrated from the canyon by 1140; by 1250 Chetro Ketl's last inhabitants had vacated the structure.

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Looks like some Rome amfitheatres!
Maybe.
 
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While the US Fires are specific to this thread only, the entire issue is not. This is why I would like to see the below threads created on this forum.
  • Battlefield Canada
  • Battlefield Great Britain
  • Battlefield Australia
  • Battlefield Mexico
  • Battlefield Russia
  • Battlefield Ukrain
  • Battlefield Japan
  • etc.
Will be interesting and useful in seeing the scope of the tragedy. For whether Tartarians, or Puebloans were involved, is irrelevant for the scope. It appears we had this city/town destruction happening all over the world. This would suggest two possible sides to the conflict. One side prevailed, and created its own narrative to be remembered.

We know the victors. The losing side is hidden from us. Could it be that the "Know Nothing Party" has some light to shed on who the losers were?
 

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Will be interesting and useful in seeing the scope of the tragedy. For whether Tartarians, or Puebloans were involved, is irrelevant for the scope. It appears we had this city/town destruction happening all over the world. This would suggest two possible sides to the conflict. One side prevailed, and created its own narrative to be remembered.
Not sure that the PREVAILED side rewrote history!
 

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For some reason, I started thinking about the children's story, The Three Little Pigs. It first appeared in 1886 in a book called The Nursery Rhymes of England, by James Halliwell-Phillips. The wolf huffs and puffs and blows down the houses made of sticks and straw, but of course he can't destroy the house made of bricks. I can't help but think that this little story, in a book of innocent children's nursery tales, was inspired by all of these city fires. It's in the right time frame, and it gives the right message, that wooden houses are more easily destroyed than brick. And I notice that it doesn't occur to the wolf to simply set the houses on fire; instead, he tries to blow them down. Is this a hint of what really destroyed the cities, or am I reading too much into this? I do love this charming artwork from a 1904 version, though.

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As Korben listed "fires" chronologically I wanted to take a look at this from another angle - invasions starts from outside and goes towards inside so I was going in order and putting dots for each fire in approx. location and changing color every 20 years (from red to purple to blue to light blue to green - so you have idea how colors changed). Period from 1880-1900 was very fire active so this could be better done but I just didn't have time to be more detail. Dots in line are same location that had more than one "fire"
And as I suspected - yes with few anomalies it has all signs of invasion - starting on coast and going inside, with some major/cities points repeatedly attacked.

"Fire" has some mysterious ways, first burning cities on coast then going inland besides using brick for fuel...

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As Korben listed "fires" chronologically I wanted to take a look at this from another angle - invasions starts from outside and goes towards inside so I was going in order and putting dots for each fire in approx. location and changing color every 20 years...
Damn, that took a lot of work, and you've barely scratched the surface here. I'll bet anyone a dollar that, if all of the fires were cataloged in this manner, most of the red and purple dots would be towards the outside of the country, other colors on the inside. Same with any country in the world.
 
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This image below represents the advancement of the North American newcomers to the west. Unfortunately it was a TV photo I took a while back, and have no way of getting the entire image. The cut off 1492 map is entirely black. With that we need to remember, that this is presented as natural. Yet, South America was conquered 300 years faster. So the question I would like to pose will pertain to this advancement progression.
  • Is it natural? or..​
  • This is a sign of some possible resistance from the different type of Natives? Meaning the builders.​
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This image below represents the advancement of the North American newcomers to the west. Unfortunately it was a TV photo...
Sorry but this also poked me in the eye when I saw it - I took middle part of advancement (1840) and stretched it over map with fires and put layer on difference so dots can be seen trough - funny how fire map complements advancement map...

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