Are the mammoths extinct? Or...

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Mammoths are today. They live in remote places, and people periodically meet with them. The main mystery: why does the “supreme” science not want everyone to know about it? What are they hiding from us? Maybe the mammoths died out wrong? ...

On the question of mammoths, I, like most people, have long been in illusion. He believed in the word that they became extinct in the last ice age. I knew that their remains were found in permafrost, and reflected on the possibilities of cloning this amazing ancient animal. But recently it happened to me to re-read Turgenev’s story “The Pole and Kalinych” from the series “Notes of the Hunter”. There is an interesting phrase:

"..." Well, here I am a man, but you see ... "At this word, Pole raised his leg and showed a boot tailored, probably made of mammoth skin ..."

In order to write this phrase, Turgenev needed to know several things that were rather strange for the mid-19th century in our current understanding. He should have known that there was such a beast mammoth, and know. what was his skin like. He should have known about the availability of this skin. Indeed, judging by the text, the fact that a simple man living in the swamp wears mammoth leather boots was not out of the ordinary for Turgenev. However, this thing is still shown as somewhat unusual, non-ordinary.

It should be recalled that Turgenev wrote his notes almost as documentary, without fiction. That's why they are notes. He simply conveyed his impressions of meeting interesting people. And it happened in the Oryol province, and not at all in Yakutia, where mammoth cemeteries are found. There is an opinion that Turgenev expressed himself allegorically, referring to the thickness and quality factor of the boot. But why not “ivory”? Elephants in the 19th century were well known. But the mammoths ...

According to the official version, which we have to debunk, the awareness of them then was negligible. One of the first "academic" mammoth skeletons with preserved soft tissue remains was found by hunter O. Shumakov in the Lena River Delta, on the Bykovsky Peninsula in 1799. And it was a rarity for science. In 1806, the botanist of the Academy M.N. Adams organized the excavation of the skeleton, and delivered it to the capital. The exhibit was collected and exhibited at the Kunstkamera, and later transferred to the Zoological Museum of the Academy of Sciences. Only these bones could Turgenev see. Before the discovery of the Berezovsky mammoth and the creation of the first scarecrow, another half a century will pass (1900). How did he find out what the mammoth had for the skin, and even determined it offhand?

So, whatever one may say, the phrase dropped by Turgenev is puzzling. I’m not talking about the fact that the "ever-frozen" mammoth skin is not suitable for furrier work. She loses her qualities.

But did you know that Turgenev is not the only writer of the 19th century who let slip about the "extinct beast"? None other than Jack London, in his story "The Shard of the Tertiary Era," conveyed the story of a hunter who met a living mammoth in the open spaces of northern Canada. In gratitude for the treats, the narrator presented the author with his mukluks (moccasins), sewn from the skin of an unprecedented trophy. At the end of the story, Jack London writes:

“... and I advise all the little believers to visit the Smithsonian Institution. If they make recommendations and arrive at school, Professor Dolvidson will no doubt accept them. Mukluks are now kept by him, and he will confirm, if not how they were obtained, then, in any case, what material was sent to them. He authoritatively claims that they are sewn from the skin of a mammoth, and the whole scientific world agrees with him. What else do you need? .. "

However, the Tobolsk Museum of Local Lore also housed a 19th-century harness made of mammoth leather. C'mon, why loot the skin when there is enough information about living mammoths. Anatoly Kartashov, candidate of technical sciences, collected a lot of scattered evidence in his work “Siberian mammoths - is there any hope of seeing them alive”. He was waiting for a reaction to his texts from the scientific world and in general, but he seemed to be ignored. Let's get acquainted with these facts. Let's start from the early days:

“Probably the first to tell the world about Siberian mammoths was the Chinese historian and geographer Sima Qian (II century BC). In his "Historical Notes", reporting on the north of Siberia, he writes about representatives of the distant ice age as ... living animals! "Of the animals are found ... huge boars, northern elephants in the bristles and northern rhino genus." Here, in addition to the mammoths, there are also woolly rhinos! The Chinese scientist is not talking about their fossil state at all - it is about living beings living in Siberia as far back as the 3rd-2nd centuries BC. ”

I myself have not read these “Historical Notes”, such a serious researcher as MG refers to them. Bykova, H. She who does not remember, is rewriting in her, and in both of them I am.

As for the II century BC, it is hardly possible to trust this dating, since Chinese history was artificially extended into the past to infinity. However, in our case, this does not change the essence. “Historical notes” by Sim Qian is clearly not 13 thousand years old, that is, it was known after the ice age. And here is the evidence of the 16th century:

“... The ambassador of the Austrian emperor, Croat Sigismund Herberstein, who visited Muscovy in the middle of the 16th century, wrote in 1549 in his Notes on Muscovy: in Siberia" ... there are a great many birds and various animals, such as, for example, sables, martens, beavers, ermines, squirrels and an ocean animal walrus ... In addition, Weight, just like polar bears, wolves, hares ... ". Please note: along with very real beavers, squirrels and walruses is a certain, if not fabulous, then certainly mysterious and unknown, Weight.

However, this weight could be unknown only to Europeans, and for the locals this, perhaps, rare and endangered species did not represent anything mysterious not only in the 16th century, but also more than three centuries later. In 1911, the Tobolsk citizen P. Gorodkov wrote the essay "A Trip to the Salym Territory". It was published in the 21st edition of the Yearbook of the Tobolsk Provincial Museum for 1911, and among other interesting things that we will discuss below, there are also such lines: "... the Salym Khanty have a pike-mammoth called" all ". "This monster was covered with thick long hair and had large horns, sometimes" all "started such fuss among themselves that the ice on the lakes broke with a terrible roar."

It turns out that mammoths walked with us in the 16th century. Almost everyone knew about them, since even the Austrian ambassador received information. And again the 16th century, this time the legend:

“Another legend is also known that in 1581 the soldiers of the famous conqueror of Siberia Ermak saw huge hairy elephants in the dense taiga. Experts are still at a loss: who did the glorious warriors see? Ordinary elephants in those days were already well known: they were found at the governor's courts in zoological gardens and in the royal menagerie. ”

And immediately after that, we smoothly proceed to the testimony of the 19th century:

The New York Herald newspaper wrote that US President Jefferson (1801-1809), interested in messages from Alaska about mammoths, sent an envoy to the Eskimos. The envoy of President Jefferson, returning, stated absolutely fantastic things: according to the Eskimos, mammoths can still be found in remote areas in the northeast of the peninsula. True, the messenger did not see the living mammoths with his own eyes, but he brought special Eskimo weapons to hunt them. And this is not the only case known to history. There are lines on the Eskimo weapon for hunting mammoths in an article published by a certain traveler in Alaska in San Francisco in 1899. The question arises: why would the Eskimo make and store weapons for hunting animals that had died out at least 10 thousand years ago? Material evidence, however ... True, indirect. "

Of course, for 300 years, mammoths have not gone away. And now the end of the 19th century. They were seen again:

“In the magazine McCluers Magazine (October issue of 1899), H. Tukman’s short story entitled“ The Murder of a Mammoth ”states:“ The last mammoth was killed in the Yukon in the summer of 1891. ” Of course, it’s hard now to say that the story is true and that literary fiction, but at that time the story was considered a true story ... ”

Gorodkov, already known to us, writes in his essay “A Trip to the Salym Territory” (1911):

“According to the Ostyaks, mammoths live in Kintusovsky sacred pine forest, as in other pine forests, visit the river and in the river itself ... Often in winter, wide cracks can be seen on the ice of the river, and sometimes it can be seen that the ice is cracked and fragmented into many small ice floes - all these are visible signs and results of the mammoth’s activity: an animal that has played and diverged with horns and back breaks ice. Recently, about 15-26 years ago, there was such an incident on Lake Bachkul. A mammoth in its liking is a meek and peaceful animal, and affectionate to people; when meeting a man, a mammoth not only does not attack him, but even clings and caresses him. In Siberia, one often has to listen to the stories of local peasants and come across such an opinion that mammoths still exist, but only seeing them is very difficult ..., now there are few mammoths, they, like most large animals, are now becoming rare. ”

Further, Kartashov gives a chronicle of human-mammoth contacts in the 20th century (based on materials by Y. Golovanov, M. Bykova, L. Osokina):

“Albert Moskvin from Krasnodar, who lived in the Mari ASSR for a long time, talked with people who themselves saw woolly elephants. Here is a quote from the letter: "Obda (the Mari name for the mammoth), according to eyewitnesses, the Mari, used to meet more often than now, in a herd of 4-5 goals (the Mari call this phenomenon obda-saunas - the wedding of mammoths)." The Mari told him in detail about the lifestyle of mammoths, about their appearance, about relationships with cubs, people, and even about the funeral of a dead animal. According to them, a kind and affectionate food, offended by people, turned corners of barn, baths at night, broke hedges, making a dull trumpet sound. According to the stories of local residents, even before the revolution, mammoths forced residents of the villages of Nizhnye Shapy and Azakovo to move to a new place, which were in the area now called Medvedevsky. The stories contain many interesting and surprising details, but there is a strong belief that there is no fiction or even just unlikely them. ”

No wonder foreigners think that we have bears walking on Red Square. At least, mammoths were seen here a hundred years ago, and they knew well. This is not Yakutia and not the north. This is the Volga region, the European part of Russia, the middle lane. And now Siberia:

“In 1920, two Russian hunters in the interfluve of the Ob and Yenisei at the edge of the forest discovered traces of a giant beast. It was between the rivers Pur and Taz. Oval-shaped traces were about 70 cm long and about 40 cm wide. The distance between the front and hind legs was about four meters. The enormous size of the beast could also be judged by decent heaps of manure that came across from time to time. Does a normal person miss such a unique opportunity - to catch up and see an animal of unprecedented size? Of course not. So the hunters followed in the footsteps and a few days later caught up with two monsters. From a distance of about three hundred meters, they watched the giants for some time. The animals were covered with a long six dark brown in color and had steeply curved white tusks. They moved slowly and made the general impression of elephants dressed in fur coats. ”

It is about here. But the 30s. Household everyday memory of a mammoth:

“In the thirties, the hunter-hunter Semyon Egorovich Kachalov, as a child, heard loud snoring, noise and splashes of water at night near Lake Syrkovo. Anastasia Petrovna Lukina - the mistress of the house, - reassuring the boy, she said that it was a mammoth noise. Mammoths live nearby in a swamp in the taiga, often come to this lake, and she has seen them more than once. Kachalov told this story to a biologist from Chelyabinsk, Nikolai Pavlovich Avdeev, when he was in the village of Salym during his independent expedition to the area of the city of Tobolsk. "

Here are the testimonies of the 50s:

“The story of the senior huntsman of the district, Valentin Mikhailovich D:“ ... when I was in my first year at the institute, during the holidays, the fish inspector Y. told me personally a fascinating story. By the way, you need to know that when two burs almost converge with capes, settling the fog ( shallow lake) into two parts, the narrowest place on the water is called a gate. So, according to Ya., he drove through the fog through our fog and noticed an unusual outburst. Thought it was necessary to see what kind of fish this was? And he stopped. Suddenly, as if a haystack rises from the depths. the fur was dark brown, like that of a wet fur seal. He quietly leaned into the reeds about five meters away, and he himself was examining. Either the muzzle, or the face, he couldn’t make out. The sound made hissing: "Fo-o" - like into an empty bowl. And then plunged into the water ... "This incident occurred in 1954. On Valentin Mikhailovich, this story made such an impression that he proceeded all the way to that shallow place to which the narrator referred. I found a deep hole, where carp usually lies for the winter, measured it ...

In the 50s, I once set with the son of a network. The weather was very quiet. A steady fog spread over the lake. Suddenly I hear a splash of water, as if someone is walking on it. Usually in this place moose crossed Cape P. in shallow water. So I decided - moose, prepared to kill. Turned the boat to the sound, took the gun. A round and black big muzzle of an unknown beast appeared from the water right in front of the boat. Round and meaningful eyes looked at me point blank. After making sure that this was not an elk, he did not shoot, but quickly turned the boat around and leaned on the oars. The son who was sitting behind me also saw "this" and cried. It rocked us for a long time. "Story S., 70 years old, village T. Was it a mammoth? To see eyes staring point blank and not to notice the trunk? However, who knows what a person manages to notice in such a stressful situation .. .

"In the same years, a fellow villager and I crossed the fog near the cape. Suddenly, we saw a huge dark carcass that swayed on the water. The waves from it reached the boat and lifted it. They got scared and turned back." Story P., 60 years old, village T ".

And here is the testimony of the 60s:

“In September 1962, the Yakut hunter told geologist Vladimir Pushkarev that before the revolution, hunters had repeatedly seen huge hairy animals with a large nose and fangs, and ten years ago he himself had seen tracks unknown to him“ the size of a basin ”.”

More evidence of the late 70s:

““ It was the summer of 1978, ”recalls prospector brigade leader S.I. Belyaev,“ our artel washed gold on one of the nameless tributaries of the Indigirka River. An interesting case occurred at the height of the season. At dawn, when the sun had not yet risen, near the parking lot suddenly a dull thud came in. The miners' sleep was a bit. Jumping to their feet, they stared at each other with a dumb question: “What is this?” As though a splash of water was heard in response from the river. When they rounded a rocky ledge, our eyes appeared An incredible picture appeared in the shallow river, there were about a dozen goddamn things ... mammoths. Huge, shaggy animals slowly drank icy water. For about half an hour we looked fascinated at these fabulous giants. And those quenched thirst, decorously one after another delved into the thicket ... "

Everyone who only had a chance to meet with a mammoth saw him. These are geologists, hunters, residents of the northern regions. You can even give a summary map of the discovered habitats of these animals. It's time to figure out how it happened that a living and living animal was deeply buried in the ice age.

I am far from thinking that all the above evidence remained unknown to the learned world. Of course not. Paleontologists (those who study fossil animals) always begin their research with a review of existing information. But, even having this information in hand, they will rely on the work of reputable predecessors, which neither geologists nor hunters belong to.

Interestingly, I was not able to find a specific scientist who “buried” mammoths at all. As if that goes without saying. It is known that even Tatishchev was interested in them. He wrote in Latin the article “The Legend of the Mammoth Beast”. However, the information he received was the most contradictory, often mythical. Most of the evidence described the mammoth as an existing animal. Tatishchev could hardly draw a conclusion about the extinction of this beast. Moreover, the currently prevailing glacial theory of the death of northern elephants could have arisen not earlier than the end of the 19th century. It was then that the scientific community adopted the dogma of the great glaciation. This dogma lies in the foundation of modern paleontology. In this vein, the artificial blindness of the scientific world is understandable.

But if you think about it, then this is not limited to. Everything is much more interesting.

Mammoth, an animal that has virtually no enemies in nature. The climate of the middle zone and taiga zone is very suitable for him. The feed base is clearly redundant. There are a lot of untapped spaces. Why should he not enjoy life? Why not fully occupy the existing ecological niche? But he did not take her. Too rare today is a person’s meeting with this animal.

The catastrophe in which millions of mammoths died was clearly there. They died almost simultaneously. This is evidenced by the cemetery of bones covered with loess (washed-up soil). Estimates of the number of tusks exported from Russia over the past 200 years show more than a million pairs. Millions of mammoth heads settled an ecological niche in Eurasia at a time. Why isn’t it right now?

If the disaster occurred 13 thousand years ago, and some of the northern elephants survived, then they had plenty of time to restore the population. That did not happen. And there are only two options: either they did not survive at all (the version of the scientific world), or the catastrophe that crushed the mammoth population was relatively recent. Since mammoths do exist, the second is more likely. They just did not have time to recover. In addition, in recent centuries, a man armed with firearms and greed, could really pose a threat to them, hindering the growth of the population.

I think that contesting the terms of the catastrophe is the most painful and unacceptable moment for the “supreme science”. They are ready to do anything - to suppress the facts, hide evidence, mass zombies, etc., if only to avoid posing the question itself on this topic, since the accumulated avalanche of pent-up information does not leave them a chance in an open discussion. And this will be followed by many, many more questions that someone really does not want to answer.

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A few photos.

The distribution area of the mammoth in Russia.

1. Discovered mammoth habitats in the 20th century.
2. Areas suitable for its habitat.

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37,000-year-old mammoth with the son of a reindeer herder, who found him in the tundra.

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(37,000 years old? Nonsense)

This is the first whole mammoth corpse in world history that fell to scientists. The mammoth meat was so well preserved that the dogs willingly ate it.

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Good preservation of carcasses for "10,000 years"

Mammoth carcass with preserved liquid blood.


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(Blood survived for 10,000 years?)

Two videos. Fake or real shooting I can not say.

A well-known world-famous expert in the field of paranormal phenomena, Briton Michael Cohen posted a video on which, in his opinion, the mammoth is captured.

Mammoth in Siberia.



The battle of Stalingrad, as you know, ended in the complete defeat of the German army, as a result of which thousands of soldiers and officers were captured.
Among them was the NSDLP war correspondent, Holger Hildebrand. Like many of them, he was transported to Siberia. Along the way, Holger continued to shoot. Later, after many decades, the personal belongings of the former prisoner of the Siberian camps were transferred to his granddaughter. Among the photographs there was an undeveloped film strip, on which unique frames appeared.

Live mammoth in Siberia. Yakutsk (1943)
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I would love these things to exist, but do think that we need to be more attentive picking out the supporting evidence. The below video is a link I clicked on in the comments section of this 1943 Siberian mammoth.


On a separate note, the meat speaks volumes as far as how recently they really lived.
 
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I would love these things to exist, but do think that we need to be more attentive picking out the supporting evidence. The below video is a link I clicked on in the comments section of this 1943 Siberian mammoth.


On a separate note, the meat speaks volumes as far as how recently they really lived.
Honestly, the first video is also not trustworthy.
 
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Of course, mammoths still exist. They are called elephants now. Thay just lost hair due to the atmospheric condition change after the last reset. They used to live in Syberia a while ago when the climate was more pleasant there. Probably in other parts of the world too. Mammoths/elephants are so nice and smart animals. I love them :)

 

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Perhaps it is the case that there are three ways to protect animals such as Mammoths and Sasquatchs, cougars, and many others are to 1) claim they went extinct, 2) no longer live in an area due to hunting (probably over 90% true in most cases), or 3) never existed except in the minds of those with wild imaginations in the first place.
 
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