1780: A Day of Darkness

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Well I can tell you I was right around where this all happened. Back in I think the early 2000s there was a day somewhat like this. Not as bad, but the description was similar with the yellow sky and getting darker and darker. It never got pitch black. But it was pretty crazy. You could look right at the sun without a problem. It looked like a red ball. Some kids thought it was the moon. It turned out that there had been big forest fires up in Quebec and the wind turned during the night and blew this smoke down into NE. I can picture back in those days a big forest fire in some sparsely inhabited area and the wind did the same thing. Maybe some early editions of those mysterious fires that were supposed to be sweeping the midwest in the early 1800s?
 

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https://www.memphis.edu/ceri/compendium/pdfs/bryan.pdf

This is the premier eye witness account to the New Madrid earthquake of 1812. The significance here is she stated the following occurred during a large one in Dec. 1811 and again with the biggest one in 1812. I can’t copy it over so this just a bit:

“...which was followed in a few minutes with the complete saturation of the atmosphere with sulphurious vapor, causing total darkness.”

New Madrid Compendium Eyewitness Accounts - CERI - The University of Memphis
Original 1812 website with more info and maps.
 
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In the links to my opening post I listed a day of darkness from 1950 and in the main body of the post someone had taken the trouble to look up how many days of darkness had been mentioned throughout history. I haven't looked into all of them but, undoubtedly, some were to to smoke from fires obscuring the daylight. However, I have yet to find any of them spoken of in the terms mentioned in 1780. I doubt the New Englanders of 1780 were bigger wusses than anyone else in recorded history. The only other mention we have of that sort of total darkness was as one of the 10 plagues of Egypt where the darkness could be felt and men's hearts were failing them for fear.
 

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So, just because this specifically refers to darkness, I have noticed how many of the strange buildings, and buried floors, and mudflood evidence, and discovered architecture and technology strongly reminds me of Isaac Asimov's novel NIGHTFALL.

The darkness is due to astronomical events, but the interesting parts of the novel are where he discusses the layers they discover - what I've seen here described as "cultural layers" separated by char/ash. One on top of another, again and again.

I'm wondering how many "fictional" accounts of such events there are.

I can't possibly imagine a fire giving rise to enough smoke to blot out the sun so completely that it was the type of pitch black that the eye-witnesses describe. I've lived in the woods of NH, and there have indeed been nights where it was so dark that I literally could not see my own hand an inch from my face. But that was at night, with no moon, and no light pollution.
I've been one town over in NJ when the refinery caught fire and proceeded to rain down flakes of petroleum soot the size of small leaves. But I can't imagine a fire blotting out that much light all the way down the entire east coast at 2pm, for 15 hours.
 
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I doubt it too. There was a huge earthquake far away a few months earlier but I'd think any ash and soot from that would take days, not months to reach the East coast. I've tried searching for astronomical events of that time period but nothing extraordinary pops ups. Plus, a 7.7 earthquake usually produces tsunamis to accompany them. No such event took place on the East coast at that time. There are no records of subsequent illness in the population as there sometimes is with strange astronomical events. I'm wondering if it was some sort of cyclic astronomical phenomena that just happens every once in a great while. Such an event may even have been the cause of a fire in Canada.
 
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Don't know. That would take a lot more digging and dot connection. It hasn't been solved (to my satisfaction) in 239 years so I'm not sure how much luck we'll have trying to figure it out 239 years after the event. Am looking at similar events to see if there's a pattern.

I believe that there was a fire in Canada at the time due to something (although I can't find any information on it) but it's highly unlikely that a "horror of darkness" would envelop New England for 15 hours due to a fire. If the fire was big enough to block out the sun, moon and stars for that length of time, there would have been incredible amounts of smoke-enough to kill or severely choke out many, many people. That didn't happen. Something caused the fire and it was probably the same thing that caused the prolonged darkness.
 

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I know of nothing natural or man made that could do what these stories suggest save the sun going out and the moon too under a clouded sky.
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The more 'old stuff' I read that has been digitally transformed the more it feels unreal. Years ago as a teenager I bought a 'poster' from a seaside shop in Cornwall or Devon which was a 'reproduction' of an 'original wreck sale' listing the contents of ship wrecked on the rocks. Apart from the quality of the paper and a 'made by whoever' in modern print on the bottom it was totally convincing.
Were it ever to be digitised it would be a piece of cake to make it 'appear real' thus faking history on the fly, which is I feel how its been done since the Roman Catholic Church as invented in the same period where the 'tools' of fakery were invented, maps, books, printing, 'dead languages' , revolutions, industry, commerce, politics etc the whole nine yards and these tales of unnatural darkness sit right within this fakery
Anything to make the 'Hang on a minute, this doesn't feel right' searcher look in the wrong direction whenever it is they get that 'hang on a minute' moment.

I say this after reading that old 1734 book of Voltaire's 'in the flesh' so too speak the Charles XII of Sweden book chock full of make believe characters and make believe fact.
 
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Looking at the maps in first post with Mer de l'Quest / Western sea and how official version says it did not exist I remembered watching NG show about Scablands in Washington state and how they came to be - Missoula Floods....

So what if Western sea was real and due to cataclysmic event 250 years age it drained and made Scablands - not by Missoula floods 10-15,000 years ago?

Missoula Floods - Wikipedia
I copied this over from the Bizarre North American Maps thread where I posted:

The article says thousands or whatever years but what if it was 250 years or so. Could it be connected with the Day of Darkness? Same time period of 1780, if so. Did a quick search of Native Americans and they were nomadic but don’t know their stories that might flesh this out.
"The Day the Earth Rained Glass" --Prelude to Extinction | The Daily Galaxy

The beginning of the end started with violent shaking that raised giant waves in the waters of an inland sea in what is now North Dakota. Then, tiny glass beads began to fall like birdshot from the heavens. The rain of glass was so heavy it may have set fire to much of the vegetation on land. In the water, fish struggled to breathe as the beads clogged their gills, says paleontologist Robert DePalma about the killing field laid down soon after the asteroid impact that eventually led to the extinction of all ground-dwelling dinosaurs at the end of the Cretaceous Period, the so-called K-T boundary, that exterminated 75 percent of life on Earth.
 
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There's the Pacific Northwest orphan tsunami event of 1700 but that seems about 80 years too early to cause a day of darkness a few thousand miles away. Brian Atwater, David Yamaguchi and others produced detailed evidence of abrupt land level changes and tsunami inundation along the coast of Washington state in the winter of 1699-1700. Native American recollection.

The most severe earthquake in Connecticut took place in East Hadam on May 16, 1791. A little too late for our time frame.

Another Indian legend. (Doesn't give a time frame) "Next day he came to the edge of the world and looked off into space, where thousands of careless people had fallen, and there he passed the night under a tree. At dawn he stood on the brink of the earth and the instant that the Sun appeared he flung the magic ball full in his face. The surface of the Sun was broken into a thousand pieces that spattered over the earth and kindled a mighty conflagration. Ta-Vwots crept under the tree that had sheltered him, but that was of no avail against the increasing heat. He tried to run away, but the fire burned off his toes, then his feet, then his legs, then his body, so that he ran on his hands, and when his hands were burned off he walked on the stumps of his arms. At last his head alone remained, and that rolled over hill and valley until it struck a rock, when the eyes burst and the tears that gushed forth spread over the land, putting out the flames. The Sun was conquered, and at his trial before the other gods was reprimanded for his mischievous pranks and condemned thereafter to travel across the sky every day by the same trail." (Sounds like an astronomical event).


There were several earthquakes in various spots in 1780 but the timing and/or distance don't seem quite right. Tabriz earthquake. Florida earthquake.

Religious interpretation. "Under the sixth seal of Revelation 6, four great phenomena of nature were to occur. "There was a great earthquake ; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; and the stars of heaven fell." Rev. 6:12, 13. We of the second advent movement understand when these four divinely appointed events occurred. They were to come in chronological order after the sixth seal was opened. The first phenomenon, of course, was the Lisbon earthquake of November 1, 1755; and the last, the falling stars of November 13, 1833. Between these two events a dual-natured phenomenon was to occur in the prophetic order of things—the sun was to be darkened and the moon was to withhold her light."

Also not the only dark day in the 1700's. Dark day of 1762.

Possibly war related? "After a siege that began on April 2, 1780, Americans suffer their worst defeat of the revolution on this day in 1780, with the unconditional surrender of Major General Benjamin Lincoln to British Lieutenant General Sir Henry Clinton and his army of 10,000 at Charleston, South Carolina." (Did Americans bring out the big guns a month later?)
 

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The Sun was conquered, and at his trial before the other gods was reprimanded for his mischievous pranks and condemned thereafter to travel across the sky every day by the same trail.
Sounds like god and his talking snake!
"And the snake he condemned to crawl on his belly till the end of his days"
 

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The surface of the Sun was broken into a thousand pieces that spattered over the earth and kindled a mighty conflagration.
Sounds like the micronova proposed by Suspicious Observer. I believe both he and the Diehold Foundation videos talk about the debris ejected from the sun during a micronova. The one story mentioned glass as well. As part of their micronova proof, they mention the glass balls found on the moon.

Just a thought.

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Is that the moon that 'they say' is now inside earth's atmosphere, or the one astronuts travelled to by rocket through a vacuum when I was a kid?
I am not a believer in the alternate earth shape or whatever you are trying to say about the vacuum tube. I come across alternate earth and space theories but I also don't throw shade on them. It would be appreciated if the same courtesy would be extended to others. Part of the reason I choose to become a member here is because there weren't very many comments ripping on someone else's beliefs. Maybe you could have presented your theory in contrast instead of picking my comments apart. Again, I don't even understand your vacuum comment and maybe a more detailed explanation would have served better than a pithy comment. I would have read them and maybe you could have changed my mind.

There are a lot of people that believe in electrical universe, plasma universe and other theories about our solar system and the Universe .Just sayin'

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I am not a believer in the alternate earth shape or whatever you are trying to say about the vacuum tube. I come across alternate earth and space theories but I also don't throw shade on them. It would be appreciated if the same courtesy would be extended to others. Part of the reason I choose to become a member here is because there weren't very many comments ripping on someone else's beliefs. Maybe you could have presented your theory in contrast instead of picking my comments apart. Again, I don't even understand your vacuum comment and maybe a more detailed explanation would have served better than a pithy comment. I would have read them and maybe you could have changed my mind.

There are a lot of people that believe in electrical universe, plasma universe and other theories about our solar system and the Universe .Just sayin'

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Once again I fall foul of someone being offended by what I say. Once again there isn't much I can do about your offence. They are words on a screen.

I assumed everyone knew about space 'being a vacuum' that surrounds the heliocentric earth and I also assumed that everyone knew rockets do not work in a vacuum.
Assumptions aside I now realise the black and white 'journey to the moon' by rocket, and back again without a rocket, that I watched 'live on television' (yes I am 'that old') enthralled me during my growing up years is bullshit. Basically I was completely fooled so when it comes to 'modern space' nonsense full of good cgi and crappy cgi, bubbles in shot, paralysed hair in 'space station shots', rockets that go up and come down again in a parabola, musk, bezos, branson, faking all manner of 'footage', everyone under the sun 'sending probes' to the moon, because NASA forgot how to get men there, satellites clad in mylar can fly at thousands of miles per hour on an a curved course avoding every single bit of space debris and other satellites using fold out solar panels and little else to 'stay up there' etc well please forgive me if I get a litte cynical and a tad sick of being lied to.

The earth doesn't spin. Water proves this beyond a shadow of doubt. Planes rely on an entirely mechanical artificial horizon to stay on a level course. No I don't know what 'shape' the earth is or even if it has a shape at all but I do know, not believe, know the thing doesn't spin.

Not directed at you snake nor anyone else but thanks for giving me the prod to lay it out for myself so clearly.
 
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We seem to have gotten a little off topic. We have a thread on this site for discussing flat earth. (I'm too lazy to look it up).

I'm not very familiar with micronovas but from following the links given above, they seem to do a lot more damage than just cause a day of darkness in a localized area.
 

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We seem to have gotten a little off topic. We have a thread on this site for discussing flat earth. (I'm too lazy to look it up).
Sorry about that. As I said above just sick of being lied to.
To get back on point. I've racked my brain to come up with some natural phenomenon that could impact a small geographical area for a short time in the manner described and come up with nothing.
This leaves, to my mind, either a man made phenomenon, which again I cannot comprehend or an 'unknown to us plebs' natural phenomenon.
The 'oily' and 'sooty' descriptors point to some form of combustion process residue but for it to cover the area it did it must have been either persistent or an instant but widespread process bit like a fast moving brush fire front and surely someone in the population of the day would have written it down or drawn it or even painted it after the unusual event, but again there is nothing. Could it actually be another made up story to 'sell papers'?
 
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I don't doubt the scientific conclusion that there was a fire causing the soot and ashes that were reported; I DO doubt it was the cause of the dark day. For a fire thousands of miles away to completely obliterate all light for 14-15 hours, there would had to have been a choking amount of smoke which no one seems to have suffered from by all reports. Also, the "evidence" of scarred tree rings is highly suspect. A fire of the magnitude required to block out all light for that time period would not have left any trees to BE scarred.

Due to the timing of the event, my best guess is that a weapon of some sort, unknown to us, was used. One month after American revolutionaries suffered their biggest defeat by the British, we have this day of darkness and a reported big fire in Canada. The weapon may have even been the cause of the fire in Canada. What is unknown (to me) is what kind of weapon could cause that sort of localized results?
 

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I never mentioned fire as the cause. I said 'like' a fast moving bush fire. Running with your unknown weapon idea...the point of all weapons is to kill something living, as far as I can tell. If an unknown weapon were set off in this area by whoever it was a spectacular failure of its primary purpose but say it was a weapon that failed, given the evidence of products of combustion/explosion of some kind settling out over some of the area and no damage recorded on the ground then it must have been airborne explosion or underground that vented to the air above and then filled itself in again, somehow.

Just writing things out as they enter this brain not stating anything as fact.
 
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Fire was listed as the official cause so my running stream of consciousness was typing while pondering. :) Weapons can also be used as deterrents without necessarily killing; ie, when cops draw their guns on bad guys, it usually deters the bad guys in their bad behavior without the cops needing to kill them.
"The Siege of Charleston was a major engagement and major British victory, fought between March 29 to May 12, 1780 during the American Revolutionary War. Wikipedia". A lot of things were going on in 1780 but the timing of the dark day coincides more closely with the war efforts than with anything else during that year. "In October 1781, the war virtually came to an end when General Cornwallis was surrounded and forced to surrender the British position at Yorktown, Virginia. Two years later, the Treaty of Paris made it official: America was independent."
www.ushistory.org/us/11.asp

It's not a foolproof theory but it's not as ridiculous as a fire a few thousand miles away that blocks out the sun for 15 hours but doesn't cause any smoke inhalation damage and leaves enough trees to examine scarring 239 years later. It could also be a natural phenomena that occurs cyclically and just happened to coincidentally coincide with America's bleakest hour during its struggle for independence. All suggestions, ideas are welcome.
 

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